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Started playing BA again and won local tournament.(More luck than anythin)  Feel free to slice and dice but realise I am keeping it assault oriented so everything is mobile.  It's a nice change actually assaulting for a change instead of shooting everything down.

HQ

Chaplain 100 J-pack 20 p-fist 25                    145

Troops

10 Assault marines 250 2Xplas 30 P-fist 25     305

10 Assault marines 250 2Xplas 30P-fist  25   305

Elites

Death Company 2 from assault squads

8 DC+J-packs X10 290                                    290

Fast Attack

1 Speeder assault cannon Multi-melta        100

List continued
1 Speeder assault cannon Multi-melta 100

Heavy Support

1 Baal Predator 125
1 Baal Predator 125

Total 1495

Add the following to go to 2000pts

Mephiston 225

8 Veterean assault marines 225 2Xlightning claws 60
2 flamers 10 1 power weapon 15 310
Remember to drop the points for 1 DC=30

Total 535
Grand Total 2000pts

Id run mephiston in the 1500 cause, he owns.
I dont know about BA but normal tornados with multi-meltas can only take heavy flamers...
Seeing if that is true you may want to add some melta bombs to replace the loss of the land speeders anti-tank, then that also frees up some more points for some more death company who also own.
GL

So a chaplain, mega-librarian (sans invulnerable), 20 assault marines, 10 DC, 8 veteran assault marines, 2 baals, and 2 speeders in 2k points? How is that anywhere near enough models to do anything? The list doesnt even seem workable to me.

I had the same thoughts as hokkaido23, but they did pretty good in the local tourney. I think they can be vulnerable to a shooty army(like tau or AP love eldar) if there isn't much terrain to work with, but i also think they are fast enough to be in the face of their opponent much quicker than normal. Usually an army with only one or two squads jumping in your face you can shoot them down and then take your time dealing with everything else. With these guys you can shoot down two squads and still have 20 assualt marines, 2 Pfs and a character in assault. Woe to the opponent if one of those squads is the DC and mephiston. Both of them are squad killers on their own.

On the whole I think the army is really a delivery system for DC and mephiston ... but Baals can be surprising sometimes and a good ol PF in the right place at the right time ... I played against a BA army in ard boys and the DC rended their way through 2 noise marine squads,1 squad of slaanesh raptors, and 2 squads of summoned demons. Mephiston accounted for about 13 slaanesh terminators and a squad of summoned demons, and half a squad of chosen. I tore up the rest of the army, but DC and Mephiston made all the difference.

We'll see how they fare at the RT in Provo this weekend!

Meph

Death company are god! rending reroll hits with chaplain move 12" with jump packs.
3+ save and 4+ feel no pain.. this squad is godly!!
mephiston, chaplain, and DC alone could tear half of a 2k army a new one with ease.

My thoughts exactly. The low model count can be deceiveing but if I change it up any it would not be pure assault as I stated previously. New Tornados can have the Melta Assault cannon combo which actually makes them semi worth the 100 pt price tag. DC are extremely flexible with the rend making them able to deal with anything in the game.

Play tested this list a few times and I feel this list could win some RTT's as simple as it looks. Escalation could give it problems but usually escalation gives every list problems and I would take escalation any time against MC's. The Baals have been amazing as mobile terrain/cover oft times allowing me to deliver my DC right in my opponents shorts. Move them 18 blow smoke and move your troops behind them.

I won 2nd overall at a RTT with this list and a 3rd at a local store tourney. List has been working well for me and I thought I would share this with my fellow BA players. It functions better at the 2000+ level than the 1500pt level BTW. The third place finish could have very easily been a first place finish BTW but thier was next to no terrain and I had to face Tau going second and the list still recovered well and caused quite a few casualty's. I figured on adding 1 more Baal predator to go to 2150 and droping a single vet and give all Baals extra armor. Baals have been the work horse of the army. They take it for the boys as they say and if terrain is scarce they smoke and screen for my jump troops.

Do you break your squads down into combat squads?

I find it amusing that I'm working on a list that is starting to look remarkably similar to this

How do the regular assault marines do? It seems like the death company/chaplain, mephiston and the baals carry the army as it is. Perhaps you could get more effectiveness out of shooty tactical squads for troops.

I rarely break down into combat squads. If they don't shoot the death company they will cause havoc. If they shoot the death company then everything else makes it to combat. If you do go with tac squads you lose your mobility. I debated taking some with Rhino's but the assault squads have been more effective. The Baals and Speeders are essential for anti horde and armor hunting.

Baals have been essential for creating terrain and that jumping off point for squads to make it into assault. Deploy as far forward behing LOS blocking terrain, move 18 pop smoke. Bring your assault squads up behind. You can then bring DC up one flank and Mephiston up the other with speeders out in front of him for IC purposes. The problem I see with most BA players is they have one Baal and you need to run them in multiples or they are just one big target and in my list to you shoot at the armor and let assault troops get to you or shoot the jump infantry. That's essentially why the list works, lots of fast moving targets flying at you and what has the most shooting priority. Biggest weakness of the list is of course skimmer heavy lists but that seems to be everyone's. I can still of course handle skimmers but chasing them down in the end game after you have annihilated everything else in thier list gets tedious at best. Skimmers are just to much period. GW has tried to address this by dropping reg armor signifigantly but I would take a skimmer tank any day if that was an option.

Won another local tourney with this list against 3 very tough opponents. List is getting easier to use as I play it more and more. Nice to know assault armies can win. Debating a stealer shock army next.

What about trying out lemartes? Also I would take the third baal over predator over a Land Speeder anyday. Not that the LS is bad if you already have three Baals. I have also found the 5-man assualt squads lacking. I suggest trying out a 5/10 man squad in a rhino with a plasma gun, It can really dish out some damage. Boost 18 in.. get out rapid fire is actually better than assualting with a mediocre 5-man assault squad, plus the rhino is more mobile cover.

ghettob170 wrote:What about trying out lemartes? Also I would take the third baal over predator over a Land Speeder anyday. Not that the LS is bad if you already have three Baals. I have also found the 5-man assualt squads lacking. I suggest trying out a 5/10 man squad in a rhino with a plasma gun, It can really dish out some damage. Boost 18 in.. get out rapid fire is actually better than assualting with a mediocre 5-man assault squad, plus the rhino is more mobile cover.

I found that the Landspeeder ends up being better because it can deliver a stronger tank killing weapon to your opponent. Getting a Multimelta within 12" of your opponents armor is gold because of the extra D6 of armor penetration.

I used to have tac squads mounted in rhinos, but they usually ended up never being close enough to do anything useful.

As I've mentioned, I started using an army config that is remarkably similar to this. The main difference though, I don't want to use named characters if I can avoid it, so I used those points to add a Vindicator. A Baal would probably be better, but I prefer the variety it provides.

Death Company and Mephiston really compliment each other going up opposite flanks. That's why I take a named character. He's just uber badness and can single handly wreck whole armies if he makes it to combat.

I have also found the 5-man assualt squads lacking. I suggest trying out a 5/10 man squad in a rhino with a plasma gun, It can really dish out some damage. Boost 18 in.. get out rapid fire is actually better than assualting with a mediocre 5-man assault squad, plus the rhino is more mobile cover.

I was under the impression any vehicle moving over 12' period cannot disembark passengers.

I'm looking at doing a loyalist version of the Emperor's Children (Didn't turn traitor and are working for the Ordo Hereticus to make sure others don't turn traitor, either) and I'm using the Blood Angels rules for them, as they have the best variety of units that the EC would certainly use. I like this assault list, and would love to give it a spin, but the store I go to generally plays 1850 pt games. after putting Mephiston into the army, I find myself with 130 points left. I was wondering if I should invest this in a third LS, a third Baal, a small scout squad with sniper rifles (and shaving some points off of the Death Company), or should I drop Mephiston for the Veteran Assault Squad mentioned above?

HQ

225 Mephiston

145 Chaplain -Jump pack, Power Fist

Troops

305 Assault marines - bp/ccw x7, Plasma Pistol/ccw x2, bp/Power Fist

305 Assault marines - bp/ccw x7, Plasma Pistol/ccw x2, bp/Power Fist

Elites

290 Death Company - +8, Jump packs x10

Fast Attack

100 Speeder - assault cannon, Multi-melta

100 Speeder - assault cannon, Multi-melta

Heavy Support

125 Baal Predator

125 Baal Predator

1720/1850 points used

I personally would take the Baal. For 25pts more you get armor 13 and a pair of heavy bolters. My Baals have survived many games because should my opponent choose to shoot at them instead of jump troops and DC that means more make it to assault in turn two. Besides think of the many jokes about having three Baals instead of two ect. This last weekend's tournament the Baal jokes kept coming all day after the local judge commented of how nice my Baals looked at which point I couldn't help myself and said that's what all the ladies tell me and I always bring a pair of Baals to a firefight ect. I know it's just wrong but it lightened up the whole tourny.

You know, I think that just convinced me. Hell, you could just call it a Tea-Bag Army, because every time you turn around, there are Baals in your face.

I agree about the strategic value of a Baal Pred over a LS. The Armor is a factor, as is the extra heavy bolter, but the Assault Cannon is also twin-linked, which means more rending... Wow, just realized it, in one turn with this list's Speeders, Baals, DC with Chappy, get 60 rending rolls, where 52 of them are re-rollable. That's freakin' insane.

I agree about the strategic value of a Baal Pred over a LS. The Armor is a factor, as is the extra heavy bolter, but the Assault Cannon is also twin-linked, which means more rending... Wow, just realized it, in one turn with this list's Speeders, Baals, DC with Chappy, get 60 rending rolls, where 52 of them are re-rollable. That's freakin' insane.

Being able to move 12 and still fire all your weapons is not to shabby either. Thier speed is what's key as it allows them to keep pace with your jump troops and hunt down mobile armor. Assault cannon with re-roll numbers wise should be able to hit with every shot increasing your odds to rend armor also.

Also not to be overlooked about the Baal's is that when you have three of them. It is very easy to hide your entire army behind them to protect them from shooting before they get to assualt.

I routinely move my Baals' 12 IN on T1 whether i roll a 4+ or not. THe extra shooting is just gravy. What really counts is a turn to move that much closer with out risk to your 35 pt DC and 25 pt vets. As heck, the Preds even come with free smoke so if you roll a 2, well just pop smoke on T1 and move 12. thats also why i take the rhino's. I use them to protect the flanks of the preds, which have armor 11. So the enemy has the choice of shooting armor 13, or only being able to glance 11 on a rhino. if the rhino lives all the better, as rapid firing marines are also very effective. and if it gets blown up? well those 5 guys can usually find an objective to secure.

I thought about doing something similiar to a armored company but using Razorbacks. The problem I had was Razors don't get overcharged engines which would have really been nice to move 12 and still fire weapons. I eventually will run with the tac squads in Rhino's but have been having so much fun with my jump marines.

Finished 2nd with the 1500pt list at a suppossed RTT again. I say supposed because it was advertised as a RTT on GW website but thier were no trophies. First round was a victorious slaughter against a Eldrad/avatar list wiped out to a man. Second round I get Doc Thunders 10/39 wound monstrous creature list. He had a victorious slaughter his first game so I figure we are fighting for the top spot for round three as I was sure he was thinking too. I pull out a crushing victory and figure I am probably first and wait for another winner to play. Organizer instead just says shift one player to the left it's random? I get another crushing victory. So I finished second go figure? This is the third tournament in a row were it was just ran strange. Is it really that hard to run a tournament right? Anywho I may not attend any for a while and just dive back into Warmachine for a while.

Sorry to hear that Lem. Come to my tournament.

I don't give out trophies, all the money goes towards prizes and that includes the 50$/20% off deal. No one's complained about no trophies yet, they seem to like getting the prizes better.

Glad you did well (?), sorry the tournament was run poorly.

Some tourneys are run well, some not so well.

Generally it has to do with how frequently they run them. I don't think Hasturs have them that often do they?

It seems like most of the RTTs are down at Games People Play in Orem. Also Blackfyre games down there use to have some too, but I have not heard much from them lately.

As far as the trophies go, I use to have a shelf filled with them, and I would give a lot to my friend who would then send him to his old gaming group in Sweden for prizes. But thinking back, I have not gotten a trophy in a while. Normally they just tell me to grab either a battle force or a squad box for the prize.

I think when they advertise in the White Dwarf/GW Website they can chose to either get the advertisement and the trophy pack, or just the advertisement.

I could care less about the trophy also because I have plenty but I was expecting winners to at least play winners. My opponents were fun to play at least.

Lemartes wrote:I could care less about the trophy also because I have plenty but I was expecting winners to at least play winners. My opponents were fun to play at least.

I understand where you are coming from.

You wanted to play the other top scorer and then compete for first place. Also, if you are good, you should play someone of equal skill to challenge yourself and to have a good game, not to beat up on someone who might not be at your level.

I have played in all kinds of RTTs across the country and I have seen all kinds of shenanigans. In 2006 at Genghis Con in San Francisco a week later they said that I did not win because of an accounting error (my score was wrong too and I still should have won, but I was long gone with the trophy!).

I have played in all kinds of stores with home-cooking so the locals always win (soft score manipulation, etc,).

I played in Salem Oregon a few months ago and they have a very long and strict comp system. I ended up painting 2 units that I have never used again to fit into it so I would not suffer a huge penalty. So what did I draw in the second round? I guy who said screw the comp and built the hardest nastiest army he could.

So at RTTs you might not get good opponents, you might get bad judge’s rulings, you might get bad tournament organizers.

But for the most part I love RTTs. I like to compete against other hobbyists from all over who I have never met, and see new armies and make new friends. I fact, I almost play exclusively at tournaments.



By the way Lemartes, what city do you live in? What store do you play at?

You seem like one of the better players that Utah has to offer. You should play Stelek a game and see if he is as good as he thinks he is.

Heh.

Been trying to get a game with lem since I saw how well he did with his grey knights.

GPP has allright tourneys, but there's been issues so alot of slc players don't go anymore.

I'm trying to get more people into my tourneys by running them every 3 months. Had good attendance, esp from non-MG players. That's a good sign.

Shenanigans are a no-no in tournaments I run. No one is perfect, but I do show everyone the final tally at the end.