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thought that was a very interesting video. a very true, interesting video that most of these anit 2nd Amendment people should watch.... please make it a point to at least watch from 8:25 on.... if you dont watch that then at LEAST watch 9:40 onward...
ah yes.
because all of us are gunsmiths... wait, what
yes. If you have the plans to do it, and the tools to do it, and the know how to do it, and dont care about going to prision... then yes, it CAN happen.
i was talking about this with a guy at work. i showed him a pic of my wasr 10, he said something to the effect that i am a crazy nut job who shouldent be allowed to own guns, and that at least that one should be taken away from me because it is a "Fully automatic Assault weapon" and that someone would break into my house and steal it then use it to commit a crime.
no... i would hold them untill the police showed up..
i would however shoot (not needing to kill, just to halt) them if they tried to harm me or my family. because i, unlike the coworker, have that ability.
i asked him what he would do in a situation where someone broke into his house. "call the cops" he said, to which i replied "ok, and what do you do for the next 10-15 mins it takes for them to show up??? hide under the bed and hope they dont find your defenless "
man, that was ripping good laugh listing to him talk about his views on guns.
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what are the current restrictions on canadian firearms? I'd really like to know, as I would like to have a historical gun collection some day... I wants me a luger.
This is a great presentation, and I'm absolutely satisfied that I took the ten minutes to watch it. I've been studying firearms for going on 15 years now, and I have had many opportunities to discuss the exact subject this gentleman is speaking of.
Personally, I would find it interesting to take a picture of a mini-14 with a wooden stock, and another picture of the same firearm with polymer parts and a folding stock, and ask a random group of people if each one is or is not an "assault rifle". My money would be that most people, assuming you just randomly selected them off the street, would say the polymer rifle is an assault rifle, more frequently than they would say the same for the traditional looking rifle.
People are deciding how to define something without any real knowledge about the subject.
Why was a bayonet mount illegal to purchase ( assuming it wasn't grandfathered in )? Does a knife on the end of the weapon really make it more dangerous than it is? That is the question I've always wanted an answer to.
Good ole second amendment thread! People think guns are bad because they are used to kill people, get over it. Most American's won't purchase a firearm simply because they have a right to either so they won't really pay attention to what guns are what. Some shoot fast some shoot slow. I'm the same way, I'll probably never own more than a handgun. I'd totally shoot anyone that broke into my house or attacked me/my family/friends (In some cases). And none of this "But not to kill anybody, that's wrong!" bull either. I'd be aiming for chest/head shots.
Once upon a time, I told myself it's better to be smart than lucky. Every day, the world proves me wrong a little more.
How about a limit on guns, like a hand gun for defense and a rifle for hunting, I'm not anti gun i'm anti assault weapon. Where i come from most people had guns (got my first when i was 12) it was 1992 and gangbanging was in style. Most of my old buddies are dead now. Is it wrong for me to want tighter gun control, not a ban. I'm all for everybody having a hand gun, but I've seen what for guys with semi- in a speeding car can do. Can't there be a comprimise?
And whilst you're pointing and shouting at the boogeyman in the corner, you're missing the burglar coming in through the window.
Well, Duh! Because they had a giant Mining ship. If you had a giant mining ship you would drill holes in everything too, before you'd destory it with a black hole
yes... people can stop being slowed gangbangers, get a high school education, then either go onto collage, join the milltary, or work.
and to all you people out there saying "but collage is to expensive what if you cant afford it?".... last time i checked, the army, navy, marines, air force, national guard, ect, ect, pays for collage right? not to mention that 4 years in the armed forces looks good on a resume.
i honestly have no pitty for people who are in a bad situation when there is a way out, but they chose not to take it because it would be a little work.
Grignard wrote:This is a great presentation, and I'm absolutely satisfied that I took the ten minutes to watch it. I've been studying firearms for going on 15 years now, and I have had many opportunities to discuss the exact subject this gentleman is speaking of.
Personally, I would find it interesting to take a picture of a mini-14 with a wooden stock, and another picture of the same firearm with polymer parts and a folding stock, and ask a random group of people if each one is or is not an "assault rifle". My money would be that most people, assuming you just randomly selected them off the street, would say the polymer rifle is an assault rifle, more frequently than they would say the same for the traditional looking rifle.
People are deciding how to define something without any real knowledge about the subject.
Why was a bayonet mount illegal to purchase ( assuming it wasn't grandfathered in )? Does a knife on the end of the weapon really make it more dangerous than it is? That is the question I've always wanted an answer to.
Typeline wrote: Good ole second amendment thread! People think guns are bad because they are used to kill people, get over it. Most American's won't purchase a firearm simply because they have a right to either so they won't really pay attention to what guns are what. Some shoot fast some shoot slow. I'm the same way, I'll probably never own more than a handgun. I'd totally shoot anyone that broke into my house or attacked me/my family/friends (In some cases). And none of this "But not to kill anybody, that's wrong!" bull either. I'd be aiming for chest/head shots.
I used to keep an axe handy in case someone tried to break into my house. However I thought that was excessive so I got a small baseball bat instead.
Envy89 wrote:i honestly have no pitty for people who are in a bad situation when there is a way out, but they chose not to take it because it would be a little work.
There's a difference between a little work and subjecting yourself to a fascistic organization that runs the risk of getting you killed. And if you object to the description, you have no real appreciation of the difference between civilian and military life.
As a rule of thumb, the designers do not hide "easter eggs" in the rules. If clever reading is required to unlock some sort of hidden option, then it is most likely the result of wishful thinking.
But there's no sense crying over every mistake;
You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
Envy89 wrote:
yes... people can stop being slowed gangbangers, get a high school education, then either go onto collage, join the milltary, or work.
and to all you people out there saying "but collage is to expensive what if you cant afford it?".... last time i checked, the army, navy, marines, air force, national guard, ect, ect, pays for collage right? not to mention that 4 years in the armed forces looks good on a resume.
i honestly have no pitty for people who are in a bad situation when there is a way out, but they chose not to take it because it would be a little work.
Before ranting about ignorance it would be best to learn the proper spelling of the word 'college.'
Also, the armed services cap the amount to be spent on a college education at 50k. Try getting a 4 year education with that, and then tell me about how little pity you have for the disadvantaged. Let us also not forget about how little the military actually pays those who have enlisted, and how difficult it is to transition from the enlisted world to the civilian one; both socially and economically.
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Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
dogma wrote:
Before ranting about ignorance it would be best to learn the proper spelling of the word 'college.'
Also, the armed services cap the amount to be spent on a college education at 50k. Try getting a 4 year education with that
They way im going i could get an education for 4 years for 50k.
In reality it is never impossible to get an education. One just has to work hard enough and the ability to work hard enough to get what one wants.
On topic, guns would be great if people only used to defend themselves, but people can sometimes use said "defensive" guns when they go angry/crazy any kill their entire family. Legislation doesn't really help crime related firearms deaths and usually those guns are not bought legally in the first place.
A college education isn't the only way to get a decent job, there are trade jobs and the like as well.
But the difficulties with pulling yourself out of a disadvantaged background aren't purely financial. Those other opportunities like apprenticeships are harder to come by, living in poorer areas there are simply fewer to be accessed. It's also harder to take opportunities when they come along, as you're less likely to know how to present yourself. It's also harder to know how to set about developing a career, when you probably know a lot less people who achieved similarly. And also, people tend to do what their parents did, and what they're friends are doing now.
There are lots of reasons that people from disadvantaged areas are less likely to develop successful careers.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
dogma wrote:
Before ranting about ignorance it would be best to learn the proper spelling of the word 'college.'
Also, the armed services cap the amount to be spent on a college education at 50k. Try getting a 4 year education with that
They way im going i could get an education for 4 years for 50k.
In reality it is never impossible to get an education. One just has to work hard enough and the ability to work hard enough to get what one wants.
On topic, guns would be great if people only used to defend themselves, but people can sometimes use said "defensive" guns when they go angry/crazy any kill their entire family. Legislation doesn't really help crime related firearms deaths and usually those guns are not bought legally in the first place.
Will: See, the sad thing about a guy like you is in 50 years you're gonna start doing some thinking on your own and you're gonna come up with the fact that there are two certainties in life. One, don't do that. And two, you dropped a hundred and fifty grand on a f---n education you coulda got for a dollar fifty in late charges at the public library.
However, school is also a job networking place on top of an education, so you still have
an advantage over library only guy. Not true in all places and for all jobs, but true enough.
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"...he could never understand the sense of a contest in which the two adversaries agreed upon the rules." Gabriel Garcia Marquez, One Hundred Years of Solitude
1st. you go to 2 years of junior college. then 2 years at regular.... might be over 50K but o well, you got to earn your keep.
2nd. yes i know the milltary runs the chance of getting you killed... but then again, so dose that ganbanger life.... but unlike the gangbanger life. the milltary, gives you food, cloths, shelter, ect ect all the while they PAY you. granted the paycheck isent much (and its about to be even less now that the lord obama and the rats have full controll of government) but factor in all the benfits you get and it come out to something a little bit better.
and C. i know the milltary is hard work... but hay, 4 years in the navy can land you a boiler opperator job that pays around $30 an hour.
still dont want to do it then trade schools are great. they not only offer $$ aid, but most even help you find a job when your done....
back on topic.
that is an interesitng idea grignard, i might try out. take a picture of my converted SKS, then film myself taking it appart and putting it back in wodden stock. then take a picture of it in the wodden stock.
next ill walk around to people and ask "Which one is the assult weapon". when people point at the converted one, i will show them the video of me taking the gun appart and putting it in the wodden stock. then ask why they were so scared of the one with the black plastic stock......
I know, same over here. I've always assumed the reason that bayonet drills are still done is a matter of tradition as much as anything. Does anyone here who is in the military have an opinion on this? It just seems unlikely to me that bayonets actually get used on other human beings much anymore, though I'm certainly open to correction from who really knows, US military or others.
dogma wrote:Before ranting about ignorance it would be best to learn the proper spelling of the word 'college.'
Please don't be pedantic, no one likes that. A piddling spelling error has nothing to do with the "meat" of someone's post.
Envy89 wrote:
mabey ill post the results
That would be quite interesting. Just be careful not to use your expectation of the outcome ( Even though I think you're correct ) to color how you do this, if you do. Its easy to lead people to get the answers you want.
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Envy89 wrote:1st. you go to 2 years of junior college. then 2 years at regular.... might be over 50K but o well, you got to earn your keep.
This is assuming you can qualify for the additional loans necessary to pay for over-run.
Envy89 wrote:
2nd. yes i know the milltary runs the chance of getting you killed... but then again, so dose that ganbanger life.... but unlike the gangbanger life. the milltary, gives you food, cloths, shelter, ect ect all the while they PAY you. granted the paycheck isent much (and its about to be even less now that the lord obama and the rats have full controll of government) but factor in all the benfits you get and it come out to something a little bit better.
They pay you, but not nearly enough to realistically enable any given individual to derive any kind of real savings. This is especially true of foreign, non-combat deployments where much of the services which should be provided as standard are charged to the individual soldier.
Envy89 wrote:
and C. i know the milltary is hard work... but hay, 4 years in the navy can land you a boiler opperator job that pays around $30 an hour.
still dont want to do it then trade schools are great. they not only offer $$ aid, but most even help you find a job when your done....
Trade schools are great. We need to do away with the social stigma that surrounds them. And they need to offer instruction on the ancillary skills that are necessary to make a living in their application. Things like basic accounting, business law, and the tax code.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
dogma wrote:Before ranting about ignorance it would be best to learn the proper spelling of the word 'college.'
Please don't be pedantic, no one likes that. A piddling spelling error has nothing to do with the "meat" of someone's post.
When the error is repeated I feel it can be used to emphasize the foolishness of assuming the people that find it difficult to better themselves might be a little bit more than 'ignorant gangbangers'.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
dogma wrote:Before ranting about ignorance it would be best to learn the proper spelling of the word 'college.'
Please don't be pedantic, no one likes that. A piddling spelling error has nothing to do with the "meat" of someone's post.
When the error is repeated I feel it can be used to emphasize the foolishness of assuming the people that find it difficult to better themselves might be a little bit more than 'ignorant gangbangers'.
Eh...I feel that the claim needs to be evaluated on its own and the spelling error in no way "emphasizes" the supposed foolishness of the argument. I'm not saying I agree with the argument, but the criticism had nothing to do with persuasion.
It is going to be an interesting and disturbing day 10-15 years into the future when home 3D printing comes of age and people can print out any weapon they can conceive, including moving parts. Ammo might be a bit of a challenge but there will certainly be a surge in crazy bladed weapons and spring loaded, short ranged weapons. Still, at least we'll all be safe at home printing off wargaming models!
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Envy89: yes... people can stop being slowed gangbangers, get a high school education, then either go onto collage, join the milltary, or work
. . .
I'm just guessing you've had little or no personal contact with gangs or how they operate, or why the exist in the first place.
and the fact many people in gangs use money earned in said gangs to go to college, law being one of the leading professional choices
just as there is slanted media about guns there is slated media about gangs
retards don't last long in gangs
Legoburner: Still, at least we'll all be safe at home printing off wargaming models!
legoburner wrote:It is going to be an interesting and disturbing day 10-15 years into the future when home 3D printing comes of age and people can print out any weapon they can conceive, including moving parts. Ammo might be a bit of a challenge but there will certainly be a surge in crazy bladed weapons and spring loaded, short ranged weapons. Still, at least we'll all be safe at home printing off wargaming models!
Your vision of the future is dark and frightening.
Print my own models? And get my hands dirty?
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"...he could never understand the sense of a contest in which the two adversaries agreed upon the rules." Gabriel Garcia Marquez, One Hundred Years of Solitude
I know, same over here. I've always assumed the reason that bayonet drills are still done is a matter of tradition as much as anything. Does anyone here who is in the military have an opinion on this? It just seems unlikely to me that bayonets actually get used on other human beings much anymore, though I'm certainly open to correction from who really knows, US military or others.
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I read a book on this topic called "Forward Into Battle" by Paddy Griffiths. He is a military historian, wargamer and lecturer at Sandhurst.
His theory is that infantry have to maintain an offensive spirit and be able to keep moving in the attack in order to drive enemies out of their positions. While developments in modern warfare (e.g. the machine-gun) have made it suicidal to simply run at the enemy, it is still the essential job of infantry to close with the enemy and beat them in morale terms. This cannot be done by firepower alone, it requires tactics and a proper offensive mindset. The continued use of the bayonet is to help maintain the offensive spirit, even if the tactics used are modern.
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