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This might be hard since it factors in my preference , but lets see what kind of list we can come up
with!

Restrictions:

Perfer plastic only ( exceptions if need some character models )
I dislike coldone calvary ( they look stupid! yay for stupidity )
Saurus ( sigh... as good as they are , still dont like how they look )


Whats left is a bunch of temple guard, mass skinks, and mass stegadons ( which could have
skink priest i guess )

Any thoughts? possible to run effective army without saurus or cold ones?

You can run a lizarman list without cold ones, but I doubt if you could run a truly effective one without saurus warriors.

Hmm.. would stegadon spam cover the lack of saurus?

thats kool

Are you ok with some krox in your skinks?

Are you looking for a total skink army?

Hunting packs come in metal, so do we exclude them?

Krox and hunting packs are fine i think, 3 variants of krox seems nice to paint , hunting pack i can convert from something else.

around how many do you recommend, and how do
they work with rest of skinks and stegadons?

In the recent WD , i read the GW employees weren't a fan of the mixed unit of skink + krox.

If they kept skinks alone, maybe i can just use the temple guards with only 1 less str?

I'll take your word on the cold one calv, i think i came up with a color scheme to make them
look decent to cover the stupid look they have xD

I love my cold one cav. but I use them as hammers to my saurus anvils. I don't think skinks will work so well as anvils.

There are skinks on horned ones out there if you prefer.

Is it just the new Cold ones you don't like?


How about Tichi Hichi?




It's full of old school awesome!

LunaHound wrote:

In the recent WD , i read the GW employees weren't a fan of the mixed unit of skink + krox.

That is probably because the skink cohorts are not very good for the cost. 210 pts for a min unit with command vs. 240 pts for a 20x saurus block with spears. Its almost as if GW didn't really do any playtesting with the lizard book, just nerfed the things people complained about, made sure to remove the anti-demon sword, threw in some special characters at the last minute and called it a day.

really now kool

It should be more than easy to swap between DE cold one and lizardmen DE , but that leaves me abunch of ugly coldones still lol.

LunaHound wrote:

LOL

Life in a nutshell

sweet

Lol cant help it.

In short, yea you can do an army of skinks + stegs. It's IMO pretty gross, combining both skink spam and steg spam and resulting in a lot of dry-heaving from me, but it's not impossible nor too bad.

How many points we talking? How about 2000?

Here's a list that fits what you're asking for exactly:

H: Skink Priest - level 2, diadem, scroll, engine of the gods = 440
H: Skink Priest - level 2, plaque of tepok, engine of the gods = 405

C: 10 Skink Skirmishers = 70
C: 10 Skink Skirmishers = 70
C: 10 Skink Skirmishers = 70
C: 10 Skink Skirmishers = 70

S: 20 Temple Guard - full command, totem of prophecy = 405
S: Stegadon = 235
S: Stegadon = 235

Total: 2000

All plastic, only skinks, stegs and temple guard. The items aren't necessarily the best, though 1 engine is the standard anti-casting, the other I tried to make more casting oriented, and huanchi on the guard seems good cause it might get them the charge a little faster. Another option would be the fear banner or the -1 to hit with shooting banner, which would involve dropping the power stone or the plaque of +1 spell respectively.

Still pretty vomitous if you ask me, but meets your demands

- Salvage

EDIT: I swapped in the fear banner on the TG after all. Autobreaking vs fear-causers isn't acceptible, not when you've got engines to WHOOMP! the enemy stuck against the TG or flank them stegs for great victory. Though yes, 405 points for a bunch of saurus is kinda nuts ...

Thank you very much Boss Salvage , this is exactly what i was looking for!

Now i have some sort of base to start working on what options ( or lack of ) i have.
Im curiouse, how do people sneak in 9 stegadons into 2k points?

*PS when you say gross / vomitous did you mean its really awful?

*edit: How effective are giant blow pipes? Im considering swapping out every
bolt thrower on stegadon to give to my goblin army ( thus why im looking for a pic ^^: )

The twin machine guns on the ancient I've only had fired at me once, in which case they obliterated 2 ironguts completely. 24 poisoned shots? So ridiculous. But at 12" range you're pretty much going to be shooting them after you ram through a unit and turn around for the next attak. Which isn't a bad thing, and ancient stegs do have other bonuses on vanilla stegs: 3+ save vs 4+, S6 impacts / attaks vs S5. Only thing is you need to cut into the toys to upgrade the 'nillas ...

H: Skink Priest - level 2, scroll, engine of the gods = 415
H: Skink Priest - level 2, engine of the gods = 390

C: 10 Skink Skirmishers = 70
C: 10 Skink Skirmishers = 70
C: 10 Skink Skirmishers = 70
C: 10 Skink Skirmishers = 70

S: 20 Temple Guard - full command, guardian w/ venom of the firefly frog = 365

R: Ancient Stegadon = 275
R: Ancient Stegadon = 275

Total: 2000 points

Really it loses none of its brutality, though the TG are a little less buffed and without the bolters you're playing a game of 12" - steg charge range, engine max alignment, giant blowpipe range, skink march move, etc. Not a bad thing at all, nice and intense. The VotFF on the TG guardian is to give the unit a magic weapon, in case of ethereal / treemonic nonsense. Also it's kinda cool on a halberd-toting armored lizardman.

When I say that it's vomitous I mean that it's really quite good and also quite cheesy. 4x 10 blowpipers make me roll my eyes and prepare for irritation, but 2x engines will make you THAT guy (girl) ... And 4 ancient stegs? I honestly cannot handle all of those with any of my armies. You'll just have to flop or make some mistakes that I can capitalize on, otherwise it's too many S6, T6, US10 terror-causing, stubborn, cold-blooded wounds for me to deal with.

- Salvage

Oh, and you wanted a pic of the steg bolter. My sprues are buried in the closet, but here's a pic from some GD. It's a wee bit small, but I think it'll work for a gobbo bolter.

I don't know about 9 in 2k but 6 in 2k is fairly easy. This leaves 20 pts free.

Lvl 2 Skink priest on EoG with Diadem and Scroll [440]
Lvl 2 Skink priest on EoG with Scroll [415]

3 x Skink Skirmishers [210]

Stegadon [235]
Stegadon [235]
Stegadon [235]
Stegadon [235]

3 x Razordon's [225]

@ Baneon - You can make that 7 pretty easily, drop a scroll and the razors turn into an ancient. Like magic!

@ Luna - If at some point taking 2 engines bothers you, you could rock a war-spear ancient instead, which is likewise horrific but less demoralizing for your opponents.

H: Skink Chief - stegadon war-spear, ancient stegadon = 380
H: Skink Priest - level 2, diadem, engine of the gods = 415

C: 10 Skink Skirmishers = 70
C: 10 Skink Skirmishers = 70
C: 10 Skink Skirmishers = 70
C: 10 Skink Skirmishers = 70

S: 20 Temple Guard - full command, guardian w/ burning blade of chotec = 375

R: Ancient Stegadon = 275
R: Ancient Stegadon = 275

Total: 2000 points

Something like that. Run the engine defensively, lurking around the temple guard to OH SWEET KHORNE MY FACE! people when they get close or 5+ ward things when they aren't. And then the diadem just goes into dispel mode, since the casting phase is fairly weak with just the one.

- Salvage

Boss_Salvage wrote:Oh, and you wanted a pic of the steg bolter. My sprues are buried in the closet, but here's a pic from some GD. It's a wee bit small, but I think it'll work for a gobbo bolter.

Words cannot express my gratitude for your efforts. I owe you one. Thank you so very much!!

k Its been decided , my next fantasy will be lizardmen as planned. ( with bolt throwers donated to goblin army! woot!! )

( not sure what will happen to my 70% complete Dark Elves though -_- )


*edit i present you the medal of excellence!

LunaHound wrote:Words cannot express my gratitude for your efforts. I owe you one. Thank you so very much!!

My pleasure And there's lots more of the lizard book to mess with when you feel like doing some metal or conversions - terradons & sallies for example are quite nice and flexible, and have nothing to do with scrawny saurus or slowed cold ones.

- Salvage

EDIT: Excellence Medal, score! *adds to his collection*

True the ancient is nice however you get more shots from the Razordons and I tend to hesitate when I'm not running 2 scrolls for defense. YMMV

Sorry to thread jack,

But anyone have experience in getting a Slann and the Plastic Stegadon kit to like one another?

I used a piece of balsa wood for a larger howda bottom on a steg. Used all the same bits for the rest of the howda and it provided more room for an optional slann and I was able to base my chief and skinks and have room to put them in or leave them out. Once the balsa was painted to resemble stone it worked out.

K, now need to put a list aside for purchase.

2 battle force ( 40 saurus / 20 temple guard / 24 skinks / 16 cold ones )
3 kroxigor ( for skink upgrade ) ( ow they look cool but cost so much )

2 stegadons for skink priest and engine of gods

Not as cool as mass stegadon list , but it looks ok since it
utilizes most of the purchase ( yes even cold ones :x )


Wondering if the temple guards should be run in 6x 3 block of 18.

leaving me with 2 left over to convert my own Chakax eternity warden ( gah expensive! )+ Gor-Rok .


*edit planning color choices now.

My skink would most likely be white albino ( however with shades of pink / purple / blue )
saurus not too sure , purple shade, white main color, gray bones?

krox had a few that could possibly be used into other units. what do you guys think?

*bump any ideas on color selection?

Or do you guys think multi color krox are fine too?

i prefer the red krox out of the 3, but if you want something to match then have a bleached bone and charcoal colour scheme for them.

skin:

undercoat white
wash brown
heavy highlight of bleached bone
lighter highlight of graveyard earth
bleached bone highlight again
fine skull white highlight

Scales:

black base colour
fortress gray highlight
codex gray highlight
spacewolves grey detail highlight


that should be pretty funky looking albino colours for the krox.



usually when spawned krox are all the same colour, however, a few may be sacred spawnings, thus having slightly different skin tones or scales.



ive won plenty of battles to date with what was my southlands army, not 1 saurus atall

Can you tell me abit about your southlands army?

lizardmen is one army that i never touched before.

Im avoiding painting models with stone weapons to be gray atm ( dont want weapon and scales to look the same )