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First, start with a baseline human fertilized egg. Second, sequence the DNA, checking for unwanted mutations and prepare it for viral surgery.

To begin with, to create the superhuman strength needed you must alter the genetic code so that the body neither properly manufactures nor processes Myostatin. This will cause the subject to bulk up rapidly, and is what led to the super baby born several years ago in Germany.

Second, you actually do not want to make them much above six and a half to eight feet tall. Above this point the body's bone structure isn't viable, and even if you were to thicken the bones, you'd have a higher instance of breakage in the long bones then in a correspondingly smaller figure. Also remember that proportionately strength goes down as size goes up.

Third, to create super senses, increase the number of nerve endings in the inner ear, surface area of the turbinels in the nasal cavity, and adjust the focal length of the eyes, as well as increasing the number of cones.

Thickening the ribs to create a solid flexible plate system is counter productive. It decreases lung capacity slightly and the increased weight of the rib cage forces the diaphragm to work harder to take in breath. Further, it offers no additional protection but does have the benefit of ensuring that the chest cavity fills with bone fragments more often then they would without.

Most of the brain surgeries are pointless, with the exception of an organ added to control circadian rhythms. This can be done however much more easily by grafting in some DNA from a dolphin, which does this naturally.

Dolphins would also be a way to provide better respirational functionality, as various cetaceans store oxygen in tissues other then blood.

The venom spitting gland is easily introduced from a spitting cobra, though making it also a potent acid would be difficult. Waterproof oil glands could be taken from the genetic material of a sea otter, but it would cause the subject to smell funny.

Most of the other glands and abilities are either redundant or impossible with the level of technology available (or just plain impossible. GW didn't do a lot of biology research, they just said things that sounded cool).

Assuming the embryo develops normally, the final piece would be to create a small organ to be implanted at the base of the brain, from the subject's own cloned cells, the allows the subject to control powered armor. Early versions of this will probably be fully metal, but later versions will probably be organic. Basically it's an interface plug between the brain and the metal of a power suit. This does mean that, however, Sargents wouldn't be able to take their helmets off to scream and still control their power armor. This would be the part adde4d post-nately, probably around 13 years old.

Theoretically, we could begin producing post human supermen within 20 years, given the current rate of technological growth in this area.

It will be, however, expensive and low yield initially, I'm figuring 1 in 8000 embryos would be successful. However, those early successes would provide a stepping stone to higher yields once the bugs were worked out of the system.

And it will even work on women!

someone has abit too much time.....

Why would you bother with creating a "super human"....check out the fluff for Infinity, the "Post Humans"......much more satisfying, however, the use of Silk would be a sticking point.

Well, the point would be to create super humans loyal to me.

I mean, look at the level of conquest achieved by a group of people who simply thought they were superhuman. Now imagine if they really HAD been superhuman...

Caeser, Hitler, Alexander and Ghengis Khan haven't seen ANYTHING yet...

Imagine paratroopers you can just drop out of aircraft without a parachute and land safely due to the extensive modifications in their joints allowing them to cat fall. Schools of navy seals able to hold their breath for hours. It's heady just thinking about it.

The next great war will be fought in the lab as much as on the battlefield. Just watch.

Ok....

The problem is that, even if they have skulls plus helmet 4 times as strong as a conventional skull, a Sniper rifle or machine gun still cuts them down with no problem.

To be effective, Superhumans would require to be close in number to the regular humans, with the way weapons work right now, it simply cant be possible for 20 to beat out 400.

Dakkadood wrote:The problem is that, even if they have skulls plus helmet 4 times as strong as a conventional skull, a Sniper rifle or machine gun still cuts them down with no problem.

To be effective, Superhumans would require to be close in number to the regular humans, with the way weapons work right now, it simply cant be possible for 20 to beat out 400.

BUT 300 CAN HOLD OFF A WHOLE PERSIAN ARMY! THIS IS SPARTA!

Well Kreedos is partially correct. The Greek's advantages in technology and training allowed them to stall a much larger force, so in certain conditions a small force can overcome a much larger one. If the super skull was surrounded by armor that could not be easily penetrated by small arms fire then a small force's chances of winning are greatly increased. However, it should also be noted that the Greek's used terrain to their advantage, fighting the battle in a location that prevented the Persians from employing their numerical superiority. Also, it's always swept under the rug that the Spartans had several thousand allied troops with them, so it was more like The 6,300. I guess that's not nearly as good of a movie name.

As for super senses, the scientific obstacles would be almost as great (if not greater) than the ethical backlash to human design. For one thing, jamming more cone cells into the retina is not a guarantee for super senses. If it works, you might be able to see more clearly in the daylight. However, by getting rid of the rod cells you'd be limiting your night vision. You don't see too many eagles hunting at night as an example of this. Overall, I think keeping super-humans to the pages of sci-fi might be best for everyone involved.

Dakkadood wrote:The problem is that, even if they have skulls plus helmet 4 times as strong as a conventional skull, a Sniper rifle or machine gun still cuts them down with no problem.

To be effective, Superhumans would require to be close in number to the regular humans, with the way weapons work right now, it simply cant be possible for 20 to beat out 400.

Tell that to Jackson in his Valley Campaign with his non-superhuman forces.

While admittedly nothing like the silly over the top 300 space marines defeat the whole tyranid swarm is possible (probably period. No matter how spectacular your men preform when dealing with 1 vs 30000 odds, your space marine will not win on awesome alone.)

I might also point out that light tank hulls arn't proof against high powered sniper fire, and neither are space marines on the table top.

On the machine gun, if you're hitting them with a Browning HMG, probably not. However, it will stop an M16, or an AK, or a 9 mm or shrapnel or any of the regular every day sort of weapons used by soldiers. We can give them armor with similar performance against modern firearms as Space Marine armor vs lasguns, but no, a crew portable weapon will still hammer one through.

Also, the armor as of yet is stiff and cumbersome. And has a limited battery life. Hopefully now that the Navy has FINALLY admitted yes, they replicated the cold fusion experiments from back in the 90's that some sort of cold fusion is not too far off. (damn government secrecy getting in the way of advancing civilization...)

No offence, but you can;t just go "Ok so, add in more hearing stuff". All that will result in is overloaded sensory perception and cause them to go insane. You need to also fundamentally alter the way the signals are collected and filtered.

What Gwar said is true, you need more efficiant senses rather than just more nerve endings.
Better lenses in the eyes, 2nd eyelid for seeing underwater, more flexible muscles to control light levels and focusing, somehow optionally reflective retina for night vision etc... although you would need some level of more nerve endings to take in the higher level of data.

Gwar! wrote:No offence, but you can;t just go "Ok so, add in more hearing stuff". All that will result in is overloaded sensory perception and cause them to go insane. You need to also fundamentally alter the way the signals are collected and filtered.

That was one reason I was doing it from the get-go rather then add it in afterward. This way they'd have time to adjust to the increased input.


@corpsesarefun the nicating membrane idea is I good one, I like that. Maybe if we extracted those genetic traits from owls or eagles, or some other creature with a high visual acuity. The problem is that we'd also have to adjust he muscle anchoring points along the skeletal structure of the face.

Guardsmen are much easier to create.


STEP 1: Find some people who are too stupid to not mindlessly follow, or drill some recruits until they mindlessly follow.

STEP 2: Issue them a flashlight and some cardboard boxes shaped like armor, with magic marker drawings for details and unit logos.

STEP 3: Have them charge the enemy.

BaronIveagh wrote:
@corpsesarefun the nicating membrane idea is I good one, I like that. Maybe if we extracted those genetic traits from owls or eagles, or some other creature with a high visual acuity. The problem is that we'd also have to adjust he muscle anchoring points along the skeletal structure of the face.

Minor alterations of the face wont influence a supersoldier much, as long as the muscles needed for speach are not damaged or impaired by new muscle then the soldier would be equally efficiant with any muscle structure.

BaronIveagh wrote:
I might also point out that light tank hulls arn't proof against high powered sniper fire, and neither are space marines on the table top.

On the machine gun, if you're hitting them with a Browning HMG, probably not. However, it will stop an M16, or an AK, or a 9 mm or shrapnel or any of the regular every day sort of weapons used by soldiers. We can give them armor with similar performance against modern firearms as Space Marine armor vs lasguns, but no, a crew portable weapon will still hammer one through.

The problem lies that one of those nice big brute weapons is a fraction of a price of creating a SPESS MARINE and is produced in just a couple of hours.

Anyways the point is that Super humans are not cost effective.

Theoredicly possable? Yes, but there are far more difficulties then my might imagine. To pull a game quote:

Remember, genes are NOT blueprints. This means you can't, for example, insert "the genes for an elephant's trunk" into a giraffe and get a giraffe with a trunk. There are no genes for trunks. What you CAN do with genes is chemistry, since DNA codes for chemicals. For instance, we can in theory splice the native plants' talent for nitrogen fixation into a terran plant.
-Academician Prokhor Zakharov, "Nonlinear Genetics"

As far as current reaserch shows, augmentive cybernetics are closer (and likely cheaper) then geneticly engeneared solders. They also have the benefit of being able to be installed in a volintear millitary.

Dakkadood wrote:

BaronIveagh wrote:
I might also point out that light tank hulls arn't proof against high powered sniper fire, and neither are space marines on the table top.

On the machine gun, if you're hitting them with a Browning HMG, probably not. However, it will stop an M16, or an AK, or a 9 mm or shrapnel or any of the regular every day sort of weapons used by soldiers. We can give them armor with similar performance against modern firearms as Space Marine armor vs lasguns, but no, a crew portable weapon will still hammer one through.

The problem lies that one of those nice big brute weapons is a fraction of a price of creating a SPESS MARINE and is produced in just a couple of hours.

Anyways the point is that Super humans are not cost effective.

That's like saying that a round for a 5" gun costs 100k and the first couple genetically enhanced super soldiers will cost millions so they're not cost effective. I hold that if done properly, the genetically enhanced super soldiers will, in the long run be cheaper, particularly if you can make it so that the traits breed true. Over time the cost would drop significantly.

The problem is, Humans are very VERY short Sighted, and The ones in charge of the millitarty even moreso.

When given the option of:
Genetic SuperSoldier Freaks which will take at LEAST 60 years to get right (3 Generations)

or

Hueg Gunz, Power Armour and Bionic Limbs in 10 years.

The will always pick the latter.

Even if we could make super soliders in the begining they would be best for spy, infiltration, and assianation missions at first.

tigonesskay wrote:Even if we could make super soliders in the begining they would be best for spy, infiltration, and assianation missions at first.

yeah, cause a Spy who can be detected through something as simple as a DNA test is so useful. Cause that is what would happen. As soon as even a rumour gets out, they just DNA test all their henchmen and you're back to step 1

JoeyFox wrote:Guardsmen are much easier to create.

Find some people who are too stupid to not mindlessly follow, or drill some recruits until they mindlessly follow.

Issue them a flashlight and some cardboard boxes shaped like armor, with magic marker drawings for details and unit logos.

Have them charge the enemy.

???

Profit!

Fixed.

And inevitably you'd give rise to a Khan Noonian Singh and it would all go to gak.

I like how GW describes how they make Space Marines, I mean if you think about it, it is possible you just have to put alot of money, time and research into it in that order. All there organs are beneficial and the geneseed would allow you to recover some loss from a dead Space Marine. Right now tho nobody would allow that kind of research to go pass(religious matters, moral matters, ect.) especially in America, IMO the country most capable of the research, and it would be completely new to stratagem revolutionary and generals would probably be reluctant to take risk using them even if they were perfected. Just as they were slow to catch on with what an automatic machine gun and a spiraled barrel of a rifle could do im sure they wouldn't know how best to employ super soldiers, I know obviously they can do anything and best used as special forces im just sayin the generals prob wont catch on

@ Lord Chiasson

Ohhh, I disagree that the US is the best country for the development of experimental genetics.....if anything I would look to Asia or even the Eastern block (Europe) for advancesin this field. Technologically, Asia can easily go head to head with the US, but perhaps more importantly, on a moral and religious stand point, they don't seem to carry the same degree of political "baggage"....so to speak!

On the point of Super Soldiers......I don't think it would ever happen. The reason being, you effectively create a warrior caste. Once the "Warrior caste" realised they hold all the aces, they would become the ruling class....its called human nature.

I can see the battle field becoming an armchair activity for remote active personnel, who basically control machines from bunkers or control centres......slave machines.

I agree with your statement bout the Eastern and Asia's not having the same religious and moral standpoint, the political baggage(so to speak) as USA. Im still goin have to say tho that the USA has been researching genetics for awhile and some to top researchers work in the USA, im guessing cause its easier to make big bucks over here, tho of course genetics scientist would be hard to come by so you have me there (but thus both are opinions, or mine is as i dont want to go searching for evidence). Well tho I believe that that people catching the tactical benefit would make Super Soldiers a waste of tax dollars, them becoming a warrior caste I have to disagree. Im sure your going to brainwash them or instill some kind of fanatic loyalty to country, I mean I know they do that with even with some of today's military branches, there going to have a fail safe for super soldiers there not going pour all that money into them just to have take over .

And as for these.......MACHINES!! you speak of...... let them come ive seen all the Terminator's and Matrix's movies lol. I seriously hope they dont replace Humans with machines, they dont have the reliablty or the ingenuity of a Human being, and when they do, then will all be in trouble

Here's my supersoldier idea:

1. Find some mushrooms

2. Pour steroids and protein powder on them

3. Make them watch Mad Max twenty times

4. ???

5. WAAAGGGHHHH!!!!!!

i just stick the torso on to the legs add arms/head and weapons .....ta da....there you have it i made a space marine !!!!

Step 1: Cut a hole in the box

.....


Wait a second.....

Step One: Recruit lots of people dumb enough to listen to your every command (not too hard)

Step Two: Train and arm them

Step Three: FIRE DA MISSLES

Step Four: Proceed to mop up what remains with your forces taking care to laugh at the enemy's tiny crisp super fetuses that they wasted so much time on

Step Five: Go out for tacos!!!!

On the point of Super Soldiers......I don't think it would ever happen. The reason being, you effectively create a warrior caste. Once the "Warrior caste" realised they hold all the aces, they would become the ruling class....its called human nature.

Tau nature, on the other hand. . .

But really, aren't GW's marines NOT implanted with all these thing until they are chosen from their populace, or is that just space wolves?

Delephont wrote:@ Lord Chiasson

Ohhh, I disagree that the US is the best country for the development of experimental genetics.....if anything I would look to Asia or even the Eastern block (Europe) for advancesin this field. Technologically, Asia can easily go head to head with the US, but perhaps more importantly, on a moral and religious stand point, they don't seem to carry the same degree of political "baggage"....so to speak!

Yeah, F America!

On the point of Super Soldiers......I don't think it would ever happen. The reason being, you effectively create a warrior caste. Once the "Warrior caste" realised they hold all the aces, they would become the ruling class....its called human nature.
I can see the battle field becoming an armchair activity for remote active personnel, who basically control machines from bunkers or control centres......slave machines.

Yeah, unless you condition the warrior caste that service is the ideal.

Gwar! wrote:The problem is, Humans are very VERY short Sighted, and The ones in charge of the millitarty even moreso.

When given the option of:
Genetic SuperSoldier Freaks which will take at LEAST 60 years to get right (3 Generations)

or

Hueg Gunz, Power Armour and Bionic Limbs in 10 years.

The will always pick the latter.

Then everyone gets to play .