Lysander Assault Terminators 1500pts

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**Xav**

HQ

Lysander
200

Elites

10 Assault terminators
400

10 Assault terminators
400

Troops

10 Space marines, plasma gun, rocket launcher, Drop pod, deathwind, locater beam.
250

10 Space marines, plasma gun, rocket launcher, Drop pod, deathwind, locater beam.
250

Tell me what you think, please.

**wuestenfux**

Well, I'd take 10 Assault Termies, 10 normal Termies with 2 cyclones, and 2 Tacticals on foot.

20 Assault Termies make the army less flexible and it can eventually be outmaneuvered.

**whitedragon**

And, if you're going to go with that many terminators, you're better off with Vulcan to get the mastercrafted thunder hammers, or Shrike to get fleet.

**Xav**

I thought Lysander gives terminators fleet of foot, and il just tell you my tactics, nothing starts on the board, tactical marines comes down, locater beam brings terminators down..

**wuestenfux**

Xav wrote:I thought Lysander gives terminators fleet of foot.

No, he doesn't.
However, normal Termies benefit from his special rule.

**Xav**

He gives normal termies fleet of foot ( i dont have a codex)

**wuestenfux**

Xav wrote:He gives normal termies fleet of foot ( i dont have a codex)

No, Xav. You obviously mean Shrike.

**whitedragon**

wuestenfux wrote:
Xav wrote:He gives normal termies fleet of foot ( i dont have a codex)

No, Xav. You obviously mean Shrike.

Don't forget Shrike can make one squad Infiltrate as well. Deepstriking Assault Termies is never a good idea. In Dawn of War, you're halfway up the board anyway, and in the other missions, you have a 3+ invulnerable save, and you'll be in a very good position for a 2nd turn assault with Fleet.

So, that said, you can probably ditch the drop pad marines and switch them to marines in rhinos or something to give the termies some fire support. Or you can run one big fleeting marine horde.

**Xav**

HQ

Shike
200 (Dont know how many points, can someone tell me)

Elites

10 Assault terminators
400

10 Assault terminators
400

Troops

10 Space marines, flamer, multi-melta, rhino.
200

10 Space marines, flamer, multi-melta, rhino
200

100 points left- cant Shike fly? I could give him an assault marines squad.

**whitedragon**

I would change the tac marines' guns to melta and multi-melta, especially if you are going to be in a rhino. The extra points will let you get another 5 man marine squad or even a scout squad.

You could even fool around with 3 to 4 5 man marine squads with meltas in razorbacks.

**wuestenfux**

whitedragon wrote:
You could even fool around with 3 to 4 5 man marine squads with meltas in razorbacks.

Well, only 10 men Tactical squads have access to special weapons like meltas.

**Xav**

Am i right that shike can fly?

**wuestenfux**

Xav wrote:Am i right that shike can fly?

Right.
Hey Xav, please have a look into the Codex.

**Muoio 117**

Shrike has a jump pack so he is treated as jump infantry meaning he can fly. You should probably work on getting a codex that way all the information you are getting from people might actually mean something.

I would also suggest changing one termie squad into a normal termie squad so you will be more flexible, as stated above.

**whitedragon**

wuestenfux wrote:
whitedragon wrote:
You could even fool around with 3 to 4 5 man marine squads with meltas in razorbacks.

Well, only 10 men Tactical squads have access to special weapons like meltas.

Are you sure? I thought 10 men tacticals had access to heavy weapons, but could still take specials.

**barlio**

A 10 man tactical squad has access to special and heavy weapons. Unless you take a 10man or squad you have no access to special or heavies. Of course you can split them into combat squads (thus being given the option to split the special/heavy among two 5 man squads) even throwing one of them into a Razorback.

The only way a base 5 man squad can access any "wargear" is through their sgt's options (i.e. combi-weapons).

**EzeKK**

Not knowing about jump packs and heavy weapons i'll assume your new?

This is an OK idea for an army but yours won't work at all. Your 1st problem is that you have tac marines foot slogging it. They are in the open to get obliterated. They need rhinos badly. The 2nd is that you will have to DS those termiantors. Don't plan to run them across the board, they would be easily avoided. DSing termies is mostly a bad idea, they work much better in a LR or LRC.

At this point I would suggest running Deathwing if you want a lot of termiantors.

(I will post a suggestive list in a second)

Lysander - 200

Assault Terminator Squad - 460
3x TH/SS; 2x TLC; Dedicated X-Port LRC

Assault Terminator Squad - 200
3x TH/SS; 2x TLC

Tac Squad - 210
10x; Meltagun; ML

Scout Squad - 90
5x Sniper Rifles; Camo Cloaks

Scout Squad - 90
5x Sniper Rifles; Camo Cloaks

Land Raider - 250

There you go. 1500 points on the dot. I had to include scouts to get Lysander. The camo cloaks and snipers are so they can stay far away and safe. The tac squads melta is to help with vehicles but your main force is going to be that 2x LR's charging.

**Deuce11**

wuestenfux wrote:
Xav wrote:Am i right that shike can fly?

Right.
Hey Xav, please have a look into the Codex.

QFT

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@Ezekk: As suggested above, do you think Shrike would be a better SC? Fleeting CC Termis from LRs is so nasty! I played with it once as a proxy (just foolin around) and it was scary how effective the combo is, which I assume you know already I just took the opportunity to say it

**EzeKK**

Shrike would be downright nasty I have to agree. He wouldn't be the best for the list I posted, that list is focused around getting Lysander and terminators in LR's. If he wanted to run a shrike army it would be a bit more alphastrike. Some Drop podding dreads or tac squads + shrike on the first turn would be a bit better. So like:

This could be mixed around a LOT! but you get the point (alphastrike!) The 2nd tac squad could be a single scout squad and you could swap things around for assault marines and have more things DPing for 3 DP's the first turn.

Shrike - 195

5x TH/SS Terminators - 450
LRC

(2x) = 300
Dred - 150
MM/HF; Drop Pod

Tac Squad - 210
Melta; MM; 10x; Drop Pod

Tac Squad - 210
melta; RL; 10x; Rhino

Landspeeder - 60
MM/HF

Landspeeder - 60
MM/HF

I just kinda made this from the top of my head but it's a bit more shrike centered. On your first turn you can DPA 2x Dreads and have Shrike + Termies right in the guys face the first turn. Tacs come later to support. Another option would be to swap the 2nd tac squad for 2x scout squads with 4x snipers; cloaks; ML.

**Xav**

I am not new, i knew about special weapons, only being in ten man squads that was someone else, and i hav'nt looked at marine codex since it came out, i got an idea for a list how about:

HQ

Shrike
195

Fast Attack

10 Assault marines, powerfist.
225 (not sure if that is correct)

10 Assault marines, powerfist.
225

10 Assault marines, powerfist.
225

Troops

10 Space marines, plasma gun, multi-melta, Razorback.
230 (Again not sure about Razorback, points)

10 Space marines, plasma gun, multi-melta, Razorback.
230

Total-1330pts

Am i right in thinking you can put a twin-linked lascannon on a razorback? If so i think that would be good to increase the anti-tank in this army. What is the point cost for a razorback with twin-linked lascannon.

**djphranq**

You can put Twin-linked Lascannons on Razorbacks.

BTW if you're not looking at the codex where are the point values coming from? Are you using AB?

**Xav**

Of my memory from reading the space marine codex when my friend got it, about a week after it came out, and a quick look last thursday.

**Regwon**

You should really get the codex for yourself. You know we cant give you points costs of things and you shouldnt be asking us for them.

**EzeKK**

Razorback can only hold 6 models so you would have to combat squad those SM's.

If you want jump - pack heavy marines i'd just go with BA.

**Xav**

I know have codex thanks to someone.....

HQ

Shrike
195

Fast attack

Assault marines, sergeant, storm sheild, powerfist.
215

Assault marines, sergeant, powerfist.
215

Assault marines, sergeant, powerfist.
215

Troops

10 Space marines, flamer, multi-melta, Rhino.
200

10 Space marines, flamer, multi-melta, Rhino .
200

Heavy Support

7 devasters, 2 multi-melta's, 2 plasma cannons, Rhino.
237

8 points left, i like it, but its a pretty expensive list, still its open to discussion.

Got quite a few points left, maybe a cheap dev squad to add to the shooty anti-tank which im lacking in?

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A dev squad would cost 205 points with 7 men, 2 plasma cannons and 2 multi-melta's not including transports.... i could make the points by taking stormbolters off rhinos and storm sheild off, one or two of the sergeants.

What does everyone think.

**wuestenfux**

Well, lots of Assault Marines. But these guys are mediocre in cc.

The army is lacking fire support, anti-tank, anti-horde.

**Xav**

I know, i hoped the devs would fix that, i think i would have problems, against tau tanks and eldar tanks, and some shooty.

**barlio**

Xav wrote:I know, i hoped the devs would fix that, i think i would have problems, against tau tanks and eldar tanks, and some shooty.

Well the Dev squad isn't focused. If you want some plasma death then go all plasmas, but then again if you face a LR the only thing you're going to have to deal with it is the PF in the Assault squads and the MM in the tact squads. If you want to be able to deal with heavy armor then go with more lascannons in the dev squad or maybe even a predator. Cheaper for 3 lascannons and armor 13.

What kind of army are you going for? Don't take us as being overly critical, but you have started off with a Lysander Termie list and it has evolved into a Shrike Assault army. Are you wanting to tear it up in hth, or are you wanting to have a more strike and fade list?

If you are building to deal with a specific opponent(s) in mind then let us know what they play and maybe we can help you focus a little. Having more information will ease all involved parties.

**Xav**

I am not focusing on facing a certain army, but would like a close combat army, that wouldnt be hopeless at shooting, and if i have lascannons in the dev squads, i wouldnt be able to afford them transport, unless i have 2 las, two multi-melta, and take a storm sheild off a serg.

**barlio**

Well if you are wanting a more mobile, or mechanized, list then I say drop the dev squad in a rhino. Looking at the last list you posted you could spend 13 more points (than your dev squad) and get a vanilla LR. Between the weaponry and and armor you are satisfying two roles. Drop two assault squads and exchange that for a Assault Termie squad and another LR. If you want to keep another Assault squad then use them to assist the LRs. You could even drop the other assault squad and pick up another 5man termie squad, but then again it is coming down to where you only have two tactical squads and you're going to be screwed in any objective scenario that will require you to do more than contest one objective.