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I read about how some worlds that have fallen to Chaos have been transformed into warp portals that a ruled by the whims of a daemon princes, rather than physics. My question is, could the Tyranids defeat Chaos on that kind of world and eat it?

Deathbot wrote:I read about how some worlds that have fallen to Chaos have been transformed into warp portals that a ruled by the whims of a daemon princes, rather than physics. My question is, could the Tyranids defeat Chaos on that kind of world and eat it?

nids avoid daemon worlds and hive fleets that have been corrupted are cut off from hte hivemind and often just wither away.

Read the 'nid codex.

Deamons arn't made of carbon or any other element they are just energy given form so the fleets wouldnt gain anything much from taking one

It might be a kind of rear-guard, get them before they get you, action. Destroy the Daemon World before it corrupts the Shadow in the Warp!

To consume a daemon world would be a waste of effort. They are just physcic energies given form and a basic set of emotions. The tyranids would gain nothing but casulties. Also the planet would keep on spewing daemons until the tyranids are driven off and the planet is repopulated.

where in the 'nid codex does it say tyranids avoid daemon worlds? i always thought they went straight to the solar system cos it teams with life.

Solar system refers to one or two stars orbited by obects,usually containing planets. You mean Galaxy. Anyways Daemon Planets are few compared to the rest of the known galaxy.I dont know but it is implied for the fact that daemons are just thoughts given form. Sort of like a baloon.

penut the butter wrote:To consume a daemon world would be a waste of effort. They are just physcic energies given form and a basic set of emotions. The tyranids would gain nothing but casulties. Also the planet would keep on spewing daemons until the tyranids are driven off and the planet is repopulated.

I'm pretty sure that the tyranids shadow in the warp effectivly silences all warp activity and that included astropathic communications, warp powers and warpstorms. So when the tyranids arrived the daemons would be cut off from the warp and in the process of fading out of the material universe.

Fair point.But it is not actually a collection of carbon,and other building blocks of life. They are just emotions given form. For example Imagine smoke. Formless and just swaying without a definitive form. Now if you were to put smoke into an air tight container in the shape of a rectangle, now the gas has a definitive form that can be viewed clearly. This is a resmblence to a daemon. You could eat the smoke filled container but it's not the same as eating a whopper.Which means that Tyranids COULD eat a daemon world but they wouldn't gain much from them

They could gain the advantage of exposing a tendril of the hive fleet to the mutating effects of the warp. It could also be the case that the inhabitants of the world cause the warp rift in desperation, calling upon the aid of Daemonic allies in the hour of their uttermost need.

There are millions of worlds out there. They'd probaly just move on.

Also I don't think there are many daemon worlds in the galactic east.

penut the butter wrote:Also I don't think there are many daemon worlds in the galactic east.

Not many demon worlds at all.

Can the nids enter the Eye of Terror?

It wouldn't suprise me if Daemon worlds didn't even register on the Tyranids' Nom-o-meter, on account of little to no -actual- biomass on the worlds. Plus, their 'shadow' effect obscures, protects from, and negates the warp activity as they travel. In my mind, like The Unending said, this would imply that a Daemon world would collapse as they approached. In effect, their warpshadow would devour the world, rather than the Nids themselves.

Lord-Loss wrote:Can the nids enter the Eye of Terror?

Given the above, why would they want to really?

The shadow wouldn't count for much if there was an established warp/realspace breach, the hivemind is a massively strong thing but it's not capable of holding back two realities blending. Daemon worlds and the corrupting influences aren't what the tyranid are interested in, it devours worlds to incorporate and improve it's self, the random and often very negative mutation and external influence of the dark powers would be very undesirable. I'm fairly certain I've read fluff that alluded to a splinter fleet emerging horrifically mutated after passing near the eye of terror in warpspace and being cut out of the hivemind like a malignant tumour. Tyranid Hive Mind is the ultimate embodiment of order and Chaos is, well, chaotic. They are enemies and rival predatory forces for devouring the galaxy.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:The shadow wouldn't count for much if there was an established warp/realspace breach, the hivemind is a massively strong thing but it's not capable of holding back two realities blending. Daemon worlds and the corrupting influences aren't what the tyranid are interested in, it devours worlds to incorporate and improve it's self, the random and often very negative mutation and external influence of the dark powers would be very undesirable. I'm fairly certain I've read fluff that alluded to a splinter fleet emerging horrifically mutated after passing near the eye of terror in warpspace and being cut out of the hivemind like a malignant tumour. Tyranid Hive Mind is the ultimate embodiment of order and Chaos is, well, chaotic. They are enemies and rival predatory forces for devouring the galaxy.

as far as the hive mind's power the fluff implies that it is the equal of any chaos god(though that could just be my own interpretation)

mutation may actually be benifical to the hive mind as it would create unique dna strands that it could not find anywhere else. plus chaos space marines(and their slaves) typically control these planets which would mean that there would be likely enough biomass (genetically enhanced biomass keep in mind) to make it worth while.

also a splinter fleet would not be able to resist the eye of terror but an entire hive fleet could silence the warp storm as the shadow becomes stronger the more tyranids there are. Remeber splinter fleets block out planets, Hive fleets block out sectors.

I thought daemon worlds (at least the ones in the Eye of Terror) were former Eldar Crone worlds? And furthermore, more than just Daemons reside in them. Things like CSM, Traitor Guard and other followers of Chaos reside on some daemon worlds, so if the Tyranid Hive Fleet came, and their Shadow of the Warp ended up seperating the Warp daemons from their world, wouldnt they just be left with the non-daemonic beings to eat? As well as the former-Crone world itself?

You are correct in makin the assumption that the daemon worlds were Eldar crone worlds.

I highly doubt that the Hive Mind is powerful enough to suppress an entire daemon world's power. Even if the Hive Mind IS as powerful psychically as a Chaos God (which I somehow doubt), there are still four Chaos Gods who aren't going to take kindly to a new kid on the block trying to shut them up, so the Hive Mind might find itself a bit psychically outmatched. So no, I don't think that a daemon world would collapse upon a Hive Fleet attacking it, and I also don't think that the Tyranids would gain anything but some rather nasty mutations from eating it. Uncontrolled mutation like the kind that Chaos sows is like throwing a ridiculously large wrench into the Tyranid evolution assembly line. It's completely random, and the Hive Fleet could be horrifically crippled by it, especially if the mutation managed to spread via the Tyranid's rapid evolution process. All in all, a bad thing.

It would be easy enough for a Hive Fleet to overrun and eat a single deamon world. But think of the after effects...

(Reference to Kroot eating Chaos warriors, they were corrupted. I imagine something similar would happen to Nids.)

Yes but remember that daemons are just a physcic presence offering nothing in the form of valuble nutrients or precious DNA.

That doesn't mean that they can't be corrupted by attempting to consume the corporeal form of a daemon. That would presumably expose the Tyranids to at least some level of Warp energy.

LOL nids indigestion.. granted yes nids have good psykers but otherwise the 2 offer nothing to each other.. nids have no emotion and daemons no crunchy center so its sorta a tough call.. I think if for some reason they did consume the world it would be like injecting cancer into the hive. It would def be good for the hive.

Shelegelah wrote:That doesn't mean that they can't be corrupted by attempting to consume the corporeal form of a daemon. That would presumably expose the Tyranids to at least some level of Warp energy.

Yes but Tyranids hae gone into the warp before. But they didn't get mutations. And a lot of times mutations are disastrous instead of benefical. What mutation that could be helpful on a ,say,khorne world(Where close combat rules) might not be helpful on a mountain world wth deep chasms and the such.

And a lot of times mutations are disastrous instead of benefical.

That's exactly what I was saying... The mutations gained through Chaos would more than likely foul up the Hive Fleet's genetic development. Read my earlier post on this page.

And sure, the Tyranids may have gone into the Warp before. (Although I personally haven't heard of a specific case of this. I'm not sure how they achieve their FTL, but the Warp is more likely an explanation than any other.) But saying that the Tyranids have gone into the Warp and haven't suffered mutations doesn't mean much. Humans have done the exact same thing, and do it habitually in order to travel great distances in space. I'm sure the Tyranids have some sort of Geller field equivalent that shields them from the energy of the Warp and the mutation that goes with it.

Shelegelah wrote:

And a lot of times mutations are disastrous instead of benefical.

That's exactly what I was saying... The mutations gained through Chaos would more than likely foul up the Hive Fleet's genetic development. Read my earlier post on this page.

And sure, the Tyranids may have gone into the Warp before. (Although I personally haven't heard of a specific case of this. I'm not sure how they achieve their FTL, but the Warp is more likely an explanation than any other.) But saying that the Tyranids have gone into the Warp and haven't suffered mutations doesn't mean much. Humans have done the exact same thing, and do it habitually in order to travel great distances in space. I'm sure the Tyranids have some sort of Geller field equivalent that shields them from the energy of the Warp and the mutation that goes with it.

That such a concentration of psykers can exist without drawing clouds of the daemons of chaos into the material universeis a testament either to the potency of the tyranid's psychic abilities or the cold voids in place of their souls-tyranid codex
I guess for an answer you would have to ask gw or infer from the few times chaos and nids have been in the same place lol

I think the whole "cold void in place of a soul" is just Imperial Correctness. One cannot, after all, attribute such a Human thing as a Soul to a ravening xenos beast. I think it's moreso a testament to the Tyranids ability to cull errant psyckers than to their psychic strength. Remember that Tyranid psyckers can still suffer the Perils of the Warp.

Well the perils are there for game balance lol people would be ticked if not only a great physical army also had amazing psykers lol

And yet there's Chaos Daemons, who don't even need to take psychic tests.

lol well we got little to no range, weak range, cant charge after deep strike, etc..
lol more people bitch bout the Eldar, SM, Ork etc lol
I'm sure if more people played daemons and there was bitching then that would be changed lol. Though csm have some that auto pass too so Idk man I guess it goes in cycles. When everyone is ridiculous again we will have a new edition lol