Necron Question for GWAR!

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**Norbu the Destroyer**

GWAR I enjoy that you always have the actual passages from the rule book and almost every time I agree with your interpretation of the rules. I have a grey area for you. Can a monolith fire its particle whip the turn it arrives from deepstrike?? I have this debate with people frequently and I play that it cannot for sake of argument. The reason people say it can not, vehicles arriving from deepstrike count as moving cruising speed. Mono is not fast so it can not fire. Interesting note in the Necron codex about the particle whip says that the particle whip can be discharged even if the monolith moved. So can the monolith fire its particlewhip the turn it arrives form deepstrike? If anyone else wants to chime in feel free to state your case, GWAR is usually right so I figured Id ask him.

On a side note do you think they can rename 'You make Da Call' to "Ask GWAR"?

**DogOfWar**

Proposed YMDC Tenet #8: No shameless brown-nosing and/or sycophantic behaviour (unless required for comedic effect) since it just causes unnecessary swelling of already-swollen egos.

Maybe? Maybe not...

DoW

**Gwar!**

Norbu the Destroyer wrote:GWAR I enjoy that you always have the actual passages from the rule book and almost every time I agree with your interpretation of the rules. I have a grey area for you. Can a monolith fire its particle whip the turn it arrives from deepstrike?? I have this debate with people frequently and I play that it cannot for sake of argument. The reason people say it can not, vehicles arriving from deepstrike count as moving cruising speed. Mono is not fast so it can not fire. Interesting note in the Necron codex about the particle whip says that the particle whip can be discharged even if the monolith moved. So can the monolith fire its particlewhip the turn it arrives form deepstrike? If anyone else wants to chime in feel free to state your case, GWAR is usually right so I figured Id ask him.

On a side note do you think they can rename 'You make Da Call' to "Ask GWAR"?

Codex > Rulebook or rather Specific > General. General States it cannot fire, but Specific says it can. Thus, it can fire the Particle Whip, but CANNOT fire the Flux Arc.

**Orkeosaurus**

"Even if the Monolith moved" doesn't seem to give it permission to fire no matter the distance it has moved. Just permission to fire despite restrictions on moving and firing at all.

**LunaHound**

Norbu the Destroyer wrote:On a side note do you think they can rename 'You make Da Call' to "Ask GWAR"?

He'll have a legion of jealous haters if that happens , i mean he already do .

DogOfWar wrote:No shameless brown-nosing and/or sycophantic behaviour (unless required for comedic effect)

I know alot of people do that , which i believe its a indirect attack . Its a shame mods dont seem to do anything about those situations...

Gwar! do you do Fantasy rule by any chance?

**nosferatu1001**

+1 to above: all the rule states is that it can fire on the move, not that it can ALWAYS fire no matter how far it has moved.

Specific rule saying no firing at cruising speed (unless fast) overrides general "I can fire when on the move" rule.

**JD21290**

Luna, this isnt your fight -_-
Gwar can take care of himself by now.

Im with Ork on this one so far.
Any chance of some extra info from the necron dex though please?

**Gwar!**

JD21290 wrote:Luna, this isnt your fight -_-
Gwar can take care of himself by now.

I ignore people like DoW. Luna fights the good fight

Im with Ork on this one so far.
Any chance of some extra info from the necron dex though please?

Ork just said what I Said... I think. It says that the Power Matrix can be used even if the Monolith Moved, is shaken or stunned. It can use it as a Particle Whip in the Shooting Phase.

Now actually reading through here, it is not as clear as I thought It was. As such, I suggest looking at the INAT FAQ which deals with this situation, as the RaW is Muddy.

**ajfirecracker**

I agree with Gwar.

Edit: In case it matters, the PW is not a weapon.

**JD21290**

I ignore people like DoW. Luna fights the good fight

i know, but i dont want luna getting in trouble from said fights.
And atleast both of us still have our accounts after drinking and dakka

**Orkeosaurus**

Does using it count as firing a weapon? I know it can't use the Flux Arc at the same time.

**LunaHound**

Hold on a sec , i never said DOW attacked Gwar! .
Im saying alot of situations happend not just with Gwar!, but other people as well. Where someone throw an insult , and end the sentence with a smile , wink , or a hug . And that supposedly allows them to say w/e they want.

Geez either my english is steadily getting worse at explaining things or , i dunno.

This isnt about Gwar! , he is just whats caught in the bad part about dakka , and im just using what happend to him as example ( if i use myself as example it'll start extra flame )

*Sorry Norbu the Destroyer i seem to have gone off topic abit

**JD21290**

Ok, this will be off topic

Luna: i know, but just giving you a quick heads up to keep your head down, there are a few mods who tend to ignore one action to punish a resulting action. (i think we can name a few)

also, Gwar is caught nowhere, he just lives up to his examples

"Gwar is right"
People tend to get pissed off by this for some reason and use it to make a cheap shot on him.
Lifes a bitch, report and move on, or feel the wrath of a lazy mod.

**Orkeosaurus**

Gwar's not as bad of a guy as he's made out to be a lot of the time.

**Kyley**

Orkeosaurus wrote:"Even if the Monolith moved" doesn't seem to give it permission to fire no matter the distance it has moved.

Yes it does. Normally if it moved it wouldnt be able to shoot, however this says "Even if the Monolith moved", codex beats rulebook, it moved, but can still fire, the only thing stopping it firing was the fact that it moved (distance is irrelevant) but this rule negates that.

**Orkeosaurus**

I disagree. The Monolith isn't restricted due to having moved, it's restricted do to having moved a certain distance. It can fire after moving. It can't fire after having moved at Cruising Speed. The specific overrides the general, and the restrictions on a vehicle that has moved at Cruising Speed are more specific than the ability to fire while moving.

Can a unit with Relentless fire a heavy weapon after running?

**Gwar!**

Kyley wrote:
Orkeosaurus wrote:"Even if the Monolith moved" doesn't seem to give it permission to fire no matter the distance it has moved.

Yes it does. Normally if it moved it wouldnt be able to shoot, however this says "Even if the Monolith moved", codex beats rulebook, it moved, but can still fire, the only thing stopping it firing was the fact that it moved (distance is irrelevant) but this rule negates that.

No, you are wrong. It can fire even if it moves 6" without the rue, just like all other Ordnance.

Orkeosaurus wrote:Gwar's not as bad of a guy as he's made out to be a lot of the time.

Glad to hear it.

**DogOfWar**

Gwar! wrote:I ignore people like DoW. Luna fights the good fight

"People like DoW"

What exactly do you mean by that? People who point out when someone is shamelessly trying to get on the good side of a well-respected and admired member for their own benefit? People who aren't mindless Gwar-followers? People who happen to be very happy with DakkaDakka.com and aren't interested in changing it to Gwar.com?

I think it's inappropriate to put people on a pedestal regardless of how much they know about a wargame, especially when it just leads to overinflated senses of self-importance. This is because it very quickly creates a group of 'followers' and 'haters' from the general population. Then you have a silly pseudo-civil war between Gwar-haters and Gwar-lovers that detracts from the whole point of the forum, which is to discuss how you play the game - not whether you agree with Gwar or not.

I honestly don't like to admit it, but while you were taking a 'leave of absence' I think YMDC was a much calmer, controlled and informative place. I, for one, enjoyed it a great deal more. I'm not saying that's a solution in and of itself, but I do think that pointing out when people are just being ridiculous and fanning the flames of this ridiculous popularity contest is addressing the real problem.

As for Necrons? No idea, never played 'em.

DoW

**Gwar!**

Well, No-one asked you to post in this thread, so I don;t know why you are complaining.

**DogOfWar**

Gwar! wrote:Well, No-one asked you to post in this thread, so I don;t know why you are complaining.

No... but that doesn't stop the popularity contest nonsense from running rampant across all of YMDC rather than being self-contained in this thread.

I don't see what's so unreasonable about wanting to have a discussion about the rules that doesn't require your opinion. It's great that you provide your own unique insight, but it irks me that people consistently agree with you or flame you just because you are Gwar!

That seems very counter-productive to a good rules discussion.

DoW

**LunaHound**

I dont see it as popularity contest , nor do i see his signature as a form of ego booster.

What i do see is .

-he knows the rules rather well
-he is usually patient until someone flame baits him
-most of the debate is done by page 1
-yet it'll drag on because people refuse to "lose"
-10 pages later they forfit the argument
-Gwar! just wasted 10 pages time arguing
-He can easily say " i TOLD YOU SO" but he let the sig
do the talking , via quoting people finally agreeing with him.

All i see is human nature behaving normally . No ill play , nothing.

**Orkeosaurus**

As a semi-relevant aside, were vehicles prohibited from firing ordinance while moving in 3rd edition?

**Lordhat**

No they were not, but moving did increase the scatter for ordnance.

**Orkeosaurus**

Hmm.

"Even if the monolith moved" seems kind of redundant then.

**Gwar!**

Lordhat wrote:No they were not, but moving did increase the scatter for ordnance.

I think in 3rd they could not move and shoot (Cant find my old rulebook so cannot check) but in 4th you are correct it increased the scatter.

**Lordhat**

Correct, in 3rd (When the 'Cron codex was written) Ordnance could not move and fire.

**Orkeosaurus**

Ah, in that case there's a good explanation for the inclusion of the rule.

**DogOfWar**

LunaHound wrote:I dont see it as popularity contest , nor do i see his signature as a form of ego booster.

What i do see is .

-he knows the rules rather well
-he is usually patient until someone flame baits him
-most of the debate is done by page 1
-yet it'll drag on because people refuse to "lose"
-10 pages later they forfit the argument
-Gwar! just wasted 10 pages time arguing
-He can easily say " i TOLD YOU SO" but he let the sig
do the talking , via quoting people finally agreeing with him.

All i see is human nature behaving normally . No ill play , nothing.

I'm sorry I don't think I'm doing a very good job of explaining myself.

In no way do I think that the fault lies with Gwar, his signature, his posts, etc. but I do think that he has been forced into playing a role that invariably causes conflict because of posts like the OP's. (Forgive me, Norbu, you are more of a catalyst and I don't want you to think I'm objecting to you personally) If people stopped worrying so much what Gwar thought, what Gwar posts, and trying to either bait him or force him to agree with them, I think things would be a lot less confrontational and a lot more constructive.

I can understand why people could be confused. When people have time and time again jumped to conclusions saying "it's all Gwar's fault!" I can understand why people can get defensive very quickly.

My whole objection is to people posting things that are very clearly meant to butter someone up. I see this as just as inappropriate and unnecessary as posting things that are clearly meant to piss someone off. Both are equally unproductive.

But enough of this, I obviously shouldn't have brought it up.

DoW

**Orkeosaurus**

I'm still not sure the OP isn't a trolle.

**Gwar!**

Orkeosaurus wrote:I'm still not sure the OP isn't a trolle.

If he is he certainly is a good one