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So I'm going to be using the Space Wolf codex to represent World Eaters, just so I can have World Eaters riding Juggernaughts!!! (And this little gem will be my Lord. I've been waiting forever for an excuse for him to be awesome in 40k. http://www.pbase.com/blaze1608/image/27708823) Also, Fenris wolves will be repped by Chaos Hounds and Flesh Hounds.

Also, I'm strugging with what to do about the dread because my chaos dreads have 2x CCW's, and I don't really want to break arms off. Anybody have any good counts as suggestions that don't require buying a new model? Why can't space wolves have a 2x CCW dread!!!! Then this list would be perfect!! Also notice, the Lords + 2 Wolves + 4 Juggers = 8!

EDIT: I can't add. That's only 7. I'll have to figure out something, but you get the idea.

World Eaters Lord (Counts as Wolf Lord) - 250
Thunder Hammer, Storm Shield, Thunder Wolf
Saga of the Bear, 2x Fenris Wolves

World Eaters Lord (Counts as Wolf Lord) - 240
2x Wolf Claws, Belt of Russ, Thunder Wolf
Saga of the Wolf, 2x Fenris Wolves

World Eaters Berzerker Cavalry - (Counts as TWC) - 290
1 TWC
1 TWC with Storm Shield
1 TWC with Meltabombs
1 TWC with Storm Shield + Powerfist

World Eaters Berzerker Cavalry - (Counts as TWC) - 290
1 TWC
1 TWC with Storm Shield
1 TWC with Meltabombs
1 TWC with Storm Shield + Powerfist

Flesh Hounds of Khorne - (Counts as Fenris Wolves) - 88
7 Fenris Wolves
1 Cyber Wolf

World Eater Space Marines - (Counts as Grey Hunters) - 175
8 Grey Hunters
1x Meltagun
1x Mark of the Wulfen
Mounted in Rhino

World Eater Space Marines - (Counts as Grey Hunters) - 175
8 Grey Hunters
1x Meltagun
1x Mark of the Wulfen
Mounted in Rhino
World Eaters Predator - (Counts as Predator) - 120
Autocannon Turret
Lascannon Sponsons

World Eaters Dreadnought - (Counts as Dreadnought) - 110
Assault Cannon, Heavy Flamer

this seems to be a popular trend with the TWC/Bloodcrusher swap.


i like it!!!

Lords on TWC are T5, so you dont realy need Saga of the Bear.

Use the extra points to make your GHs ten man.

Lord-Loss wrote:Lords on TWC are T5, so you dont realy need Saga of the Bear.

Use the extra points to make your GHs ten man.

Uhm...then they wouldn't be in squads of EIGHT. What kind of Khorne nut are you?

As for Saga of the Bear, it just makes an insane character even more insane. I'll have to think about it, but I can totally see all sorts of nasty situations sneaking in there to make it hurt for me. But, I do need to trim points since I need to add two Thunder Blood Wolf Crushers to make both squads 8 models.

no way keep saga of the bear that way you can wont have to worry about MCs or Dreads in CC

Good man!

It's good to see that those who are using the Khorne Legionnaires are concerned with an actual background worthy list than just going with the fabled "flavor of the month".

For that you get a cookie from me.

Mine is mostly the same as yours, but my World Eaters lord is as follows:

World Eaters Captain
Enchanted Weapon (Frost Blade)
Brass Armor of Khorne (Runic Armor)
Blessing of Khorne (Belt of Russ)
Juggernaught (Thunder Wolf)
Psycho (Saga of Warrior Born)


Of course my character is kinda power-gamey but I loooove uber heros so I couldn't resist!

I suggest beefind up that Fenresian Wolf squad if you want to keep it. Not a lot there. I'm a bit worried about your speed. You have 2 troops and they are on foot (Wolves can't cap objectives). The Pread is a great choice, truthfully, I would take two of those and just drop the dreadnought. You need it.

It is a bit of a "fluff" list with the 2 lords for sure. They are almost 1/3 of your army. DAMN. I might drop one down to a WGBL (the 2nd lord) to save points and get your GH rhinos maybe...

Actually, I forgot to type it, but the rhinos are there. They are what everybody hides behind. Check the math, they are there.

The two lords are pricey, but really they are only 30 point cheaper for battle leaders, and have 1 less wound, attack and Leadership. The Lords were there for LD10, but I suppose they are a bit much.

Maybe 1 Lord and that gives me some extra points for other stuff, but I'm not really sure what else to get.

EDIT:

I'm not really stuck on anything other than I want to run alot of Thunder Blood Wolf Crushers.

I was thinking an Iron Khorne Priest and his Cyber Flesh Wolf Hound body guard would also fit instead of a Dreadnought. That cheap predator is too good to pass up though.

Did you just say Khorne Priest?

*twitch*

khorne priest, sure lol spreading the good word of blood and skulls!! rofl

anticitizen013 wrote:Did you just say Khorne Priest?

*twitch*

So? There are World Eaters Librarians (they just record kill counts though) and Techmarines and Chaplains too.

I'm being serious by the way.

I thought that the World Eaters ended up killing all their Librarians because they had psychic powers.

Though I do recall something about the kill tally though... don't feel like digging up my Slaves to Darkness book, hehe.

In any case... I like this list. I'd modify it slightly to meet my needs, but on the whole it's pretty good. I think that it lacks a bit of anti tank, but that's kind of inevitable with a "Khorne" list . I mean you're going to want to hold objectives with your Troops, so that limits their abilities somewhat. Gotta protect that Predator

I don't think there were world eaters librarians since psychic powers were looked down on pre-heresey. Besides Thousand Sons I don't know if any legions had psychers amoung their ranks.

Other than that this will be an exciting army to see play. I hope you bring it up to fantasy shop some time to play.

augustus5 wrote:
Other than that this will be an exciting army to see play. I hope you bring it up to fantasy shop some time to play.

Well, It all depends on how fast the Cavalry get built. I have an idea for a mock up of how I want them to look, but I'm waiting on bitz. If I can get a decent looking model together to represent the TWC, then this will be done really quick. Otherwise, it will sit for a while.

Thanks for all the feedback though guys!

I'm just hoping that two units of TWC are enough.

Your fluffy SW count as Khorne list is so fluffy, it makes mine seem unfluffy.

Lord-Loss wrote:Your fluffy SW count as Khorne list is so fluffy, it makes mine seem unfluffy.

It takes dedication to walk the true path of Khorne my friend.

Even if that path is paved with 'count as' and 'not real' being thrown around as descriptions to this list.

I wouldn't, but others will.

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I like the list, it looks fun. Maybe a bit boring and light on troops.

Sanctjud wrote:Even if that path is paved with 'count as' and 'not real' being thrown around as descriptions to this list.

I wouldn't, but others will.

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I like the list, it looks fun. Maybe a bit boring and light on troops.

Any more boring then:

2x DP with Wings and MoK
2x Dreads with 2x CCW
4x Rhino's with Berzerkers
2x Oblits

Really?

The CSM has the issues of the writers.
The SW codex have alot of options.
Certainly the list is focused on the Thunderwolves, but any sort of 'spam' list is boring in my book.

Now... for the CSM list you posted there, it looks ok. Cookie-cutter, but there is a hvy presence of troops, which is one of issues I said in my post about this list.

/shrug, whatever floats your boat.

You call this a TWC spammage list!

My 1750pts has 12 TWC in it and I dont consider that spam.

Spam is 15x TWC at 1500pts and then as many Lords on TWC and lots of Iron Priests on TWC.

Sanctjud wrote:Now... for the CSM list you posted there, it looks ok. Cookie-cutter, but there is a hvy presence of troops, which is one of issues I said in my post about this list.

It's also about the only way to play pure fluffy Khorne. The oblits could easily be a predator as well. You've got some odd ideas about what constitutes "cookie-cutter", spam and fluff.

I never said fluff.
You call this list spam.
I don't usually include Troops as a 'negative' spammable option.

As to cookie-cutter, that is what I reserve for a list as a whole...

/shrug.

I can think of other ways to build a fluffy Khorne army...and still be competitive.
Of you can apply the same 'count as' to the CSM army list as one does to the SW list.
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But focusing on this list, I feel your troops are a bit lacking...but not much you can do with the 2 big points investments.

Sanctjud wrote:I never said fluff.
You call this list spam.
I don't usually include Troops as a 'negative' spammable option.

I guess I just don't understand what you mean by 'negative' spammable option. And I guess were are mixing up our definitions of spam. I just wanted to use all the Juggernaughts I have and put marines on them. As for the troops, they are 8 man strong Grey Hunter squads, and there aren't really points to make them all that unique if I'm trying to fit in as many Juggers as I can.

As for your calling my list boring, I don't really understand that either, as Chaos has a multitude of things they can do, and the new Wolf Codex has the options to do just that. As for the Chaos Codex counts as, that leaves a bad taste in my mouth (from mixing marks) and then the army looks just like a Dual Lash Plague Marine Oblit army, what fun is that? With the Wolf book, I can actually throw some interesting models on the table and have an army that doesn't act like any other army out there. Charge of the Khorne Brigade anyone? I've been playing Khorne a long time, in both fantasy and 40k, and the latest Chaos Space Marine book leaves alot to be desired for those of us that have been spilling Blood for the Blood God for all these years.

I think what you're really saying is you just don't like "Counts As", and you don't like identical units. Oh well.

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Anyway, here's an update since everybody is probably right and I don't need two Lords. However, I'm thinking maybe I should change Saga of the Bear to Saga of the Wolfkin since I have so many wolves running around. They would really benefit from the I5.

World Eaters Lord (Counts as Wolf Lord) - 250
Thunder Hammer, Storm Shield, Thunder Wolf
Saga of the Bear, 2x Fenris Wolves

World Eaters Berzerker Cavalry - (Counts as TWC) - 355
1 TWC
1 TWC with Storm Shield
1 TWC with Meltabombs
1 TWC with Storm Shield and Meltabombs
1 TWC with Powerfist

World Eaters Berzerker Cavalry - (Counts as TWC) - 290
1 TWC
1 TWC with Storm Shield
1 TWC with Meltabombs
1 TWC with Storm Shield + Powerfist

Flesh Hounds of Khorne - (Counts as Fenris Wolves) - 64
8 Fenris Wolves

World Eaters Aspiring Champion - (Counts as Iron Priest) 155
Thunder Wolf
4x Cyber Wolves

World Eater Space Marines - (Counts as Grey Hunters) - 160
8 Grey Hunters
1x Meltagun
Mounted in Rhino

World Eater Space Marines - (Counts as Grey Hunters) - 175
8 Grey Hunters
1x Meltagun
1x Mark of the Wulfen
Mounted in Rhino

World Eater Space Marines - (Counts as Grey Hunters) - 175
8 Grey Hunters
1x Meltagun
1x Mark of the Wulfen
Mounted in Rhino

World Eaters Predator - (Counts as Predator) - 120
Autocannon Turret
Lascannon Sponsons

I never said I don't like count as.
2/3 of the armies I play are count as.

I'm just saying...some may have issues with it, it was a side note that didn't really warrent this spot light. My first post noted that I wouldn't have problems with it, but others may.

Usingthe SW as count as is almost the same as using count as within the CSM book.
Why would mixing marks leave a bad taste when you've gone out of the codex itself?
The same creative juices can be applied there as well.

On the flip side, yes, the rules in SW do look appropriate for the army you are doing and the look of it works.
Some have asked: juggies are actually pretty slow/lumbering, the cav movement isn't really 'fluffy', but one of the easy answers is something like "Chaos did it", or more accurately "filled with blood lust = go real fast"...etc.

I am doing something similar as well, CSM on Bloodcrushers for an entirely different rules set.
I'm just noting my experiences with the nay-sayers.
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As for the new list:

Lord: ouch; durable and killy in combat and costs a land raider…

TWC look ok. But now they are 8 and then 5.

Wolves look fluffy, but they seem like a weak link in the army.

I’m on the fence about the Iron Priest, but please do give us a bat rep of how he does.

Grey Hunters look ok within the initial constraints. It would be nice to see a blend of weapons, but you do need the close up AT in supporting the TWC.

Pred looks ok, maybe a bit lonely.

Just out of curiosity, why aren't you using Blood Claws for World Eater SM's? With the sole exception of WS3, I think they'd be better representative with rage and berserk charge.

I ask that without a solid knowledge of WE fluff.

World Eater Space Marines - (Counts as Grey Hunters)

Should be:

Grey Hunters- (Count as World Eater Space Marines)

Cause your counting SW as Khorne.

ubermosher wrote:Just out of curiosity, why aren't you using Blood Claws for World Eater SM's? With the sole exception of WS3, I think they'd be better representative with rage and berserk charge.

I ask that without a solid knowledge of WE fluff.

Because Khorne Legionnaires aren't ALWAYS crazy and have some semblance of strategy and tactics?

Blood Claws are better suited for Beastmen, which could then have a Wolf Guard Leader to be a Techmarine. Makes sense because the Techmarines make sure that the Beastmen are in order.

So 15x Beastmen and a Techmarine is 16, which is still considered part of Khorne as it is a multiple of 8.

ubermosher wrote:Just out of curiosity, why aren't you using Blood Claws for World Eater SM's? With the sole exception of WS3, I think they'd be better representative with rage and berserk charge.

I ask that without a solid knowledge of WE fluff.

Well, CSM Berzerkers are no longer crazy, don't have to always assault, and are WS5. The Blood Claws as they are now just don't really fit with what I envision as World Eater Marines. And they most certainly shouldn't be WS/BS 3 for Khorne's chosen warriors.

Lord-Loss wrote:

World Eater Space Marines - (Counts as Grey Hunters)

Should be:

Grey Hunters- (Count as World Eater Space Marines)

Cause your counting SW as Khorne.

Semantics my boy. I'm using the Space Wolf 'dex, so everything in my army is standing in for, or "Counts As" a space wolf. Hence th reason I worded it like I did.

Vladsimpaler wrote:

ubermosher wrote:Just out of curiosity, why aren't you using Blood Claws for World Eater SM's? With the sole exception of WS3, I think they'd be better representative with rage and berserk charge.

I ask that without a solid knowledge of WE fluff.

Because Khorne Legionnaires aren't ALWAYS crazy and have some semblance of strategy and tactics?

Blood Claws are better suited for Beastmen, which could then have a Wolf Guard Leader to be a Techmarine. Makes sense because the Techmarines make sure that the Beastmen are in order.

So 15x Beastmen and a Techmarine is 16, which is still considered part of Khorne as it is a multiple of 8.

And I really like Vlad's idea actually. Although I think you mean Wolf Priest/Khorne Priest instead of a techmarine?

I like this thread, I can finally toss out my IG army that counts as WE.

They shoot axes out of the battlecannons right?