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The make up effects are dated of course (that is to say lots of people just clutch themselves and fall down, no visible wound) but the performances, the script, and the plot are amazing.
For years I resisted seeing it, as a Yank, an Irishman and an Asia specialist I have no great love or nostalgia for the British Empire. But after this I can see what people get all choked up about. Sure the film kind of ignores the whole issue of what go those Zulus all riled up anyway, but generally it shows them as noble, brave and honorable.
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Kid_Kyoto wrote:That's the prequel right? the battle they mention but we don't see.
Sure, I can see that.
Wow that trailer's bad though.
Yes it's primary focus is the Battle of Isandlwanna,though there are scenes concerning the sieg at Rorke's Drift (the battle depicted in Zulu).
And yes,the trailer is awful,typical of films made in the 70's,I found the movie itself to be very enjoyable though.
I should also add that if your interested in this particular era "Shakka Zulu" isn't a bad watch either.
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Yeah that film is awesome... i wish i could wipe it from my brain so i could enjoy it from scratch all over again.
"dont throw, that bloody spear at me!"
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
I liked how they kinda portrayed the Zulu as brave and honorable chaps as well. And obviously we were kinda in the wrong, but the boys on the deck didnt have any say in that, and fought heroically too.
Its a mint film to be sure.
We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels.
Michael Cain never swings his arms when he walks (he did research that showed gentlemen at that era didn't swing their arms), and never blinks (his own acting foible).
I have it on DVD and it is the first war movie I remember watching.
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Albatross wrote:@FITZZ - Are you only into genres that begin with 'Z'?
Zombie Movies
Zulu Movies
Zydeco...ok, I ran out.
But a Zombie Zulu film might be worth a look...
I can assure you my friend,that should "Zulu dawn of the Dead" ever appear in any theater,I will be the first in line....even if I have to travel to Zanzibar.
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before we get too romantic we should mention that historically the singing contests never happened and after the battle the Brits bayonetted wounded Zulus because they couldn't keep them prisoner.
And I'm sure the Zulus weren't quite as right and honorable as portrayed either.
But as long we remember it's a film inspired by history and not history it's all good.
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Kid_Kyoto wrote:before we get too romantic we should mention that historically the singing contests never happened and after the battle the Brits bayonetted wounded Zulus because they couldn't keep them prisoner.
And I'm sure the Zulus weren't quite as right and honorable as portrayed either.
But as long we remember it's a film inspired by history and not history it's all good.
ALL popular media about war is embellished to some degree, its a direction that goes back as far as Caesars Civil War correspondences and beyond to the murals of victorious pharoahs.
To give them their credit Zulu is fairly accurate, and the Zulus were impressively honourable. As is often the case fieth ups were caused by the politicians not the soldiers. In any even the events of the film Zulu were close enough to what we know of what happened that the differences could be best described as picky.
According to friends who lived out there even in recent times being identified as a Welshman in Kwazulu (sp) is its own introduction as and of itself, it entitles you to a degree of standing above the norm, cetainly more than by being any other type of white man. The respect is there.
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Why is that Orlanth? Whats special about the Welsh in this circumstance?
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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Frazzled wrote:Why is that Orlanth? Whats special about the Welsh in this circumstance?
The rank and file soldiers in the film are Welshmen, the Zulu recognised their determination in standing their ground. That 'worthy adversary' thing, like the British have for the Maori as the only tribesmen the Empire never beat but instead had to treat with.
Wait, why were they Wleshmen? I thought they were British regular army. Was this a special unit or did a Welsh band get caught up or something?
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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AAHHHHH rorks ridge(I believe it was called or something similar) I had a friend who did a preatorian IG army to all the people at the battle. He got a list and named each soldier after one of them there. Great stuff though, and am I correct in thinking that the british still have never suffered two defeats in one day?
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I saw this on sale a couple years back and picked it up. Watched it again a few months ago, great movie to paint to.
Does anyone remember the WD battle based on this movie? It had Praetorians vs. Orks; first time that the Ork statline was changed to WS4, BS2 (had been 3's for both before). I remember the ratling sniper hiding in the tower as the Praetorians fought wave after wave of Orks. Though even then I found it a bit racist to have the Zulus represented by Orks...
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@Frazzled - Wales is part of Britain.
Actually, I think it might be technically part of England - Wales being a principality and all. Not sure, but it's definitely part of The United Kingdom anyways.
Right but why were they all Welsh? I don't get this. Its like saying Custer's Seventh Cavalry was made up of all Tennesseans.
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British Regiments were (and still are to some extent) representative of the region in which they were/are based - for example The Royal Irish regiment (Ulster) or The Green Howards (N. Yorkshire).
Albatross wrote:@FITZZ - Are you only into genres that begin with 'Z'?
Zombie Movies
Zulu Movies
Zydeco...ok, I ran out.
But a Zombie Zulu film might be worth a look...
I can assure you my friend,that should "Zulu dawn of the Dead" ever appear in any theater,I will be the first in line....even if I have to travel to Zanzibar.
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Ozymandias wrote:I saw this on sale a couple years back and picked it up. Watched it again a few months ago, great movie to paint to.
Does anyone remember the WD battle based on this movie? It had Praetorians vs. Orks; first time that the Ork statline was changed to WS4, BS2 (had been 3's for both before). I remember the ratling sniper hiding in the tower as the Praetorians fought wave after wave of Orks. Though even then I found it a bit racist to have the Zulus represented by Orks...
You mean the Battle of Ork's Drift? I loved that diorama as well. It seems that GW has kinda swept the Praetorians under the rug in the past few years, but us oldies remember it.
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Frazzled wrote:Wait, why were they Wleshmen? I thought they were British regular army. Was this a special unit or did a Welsh band get caught up or something?
24th Regiment of Foot The South Wales Borderers
Funnily enough they come from Wales, Frazzie! Or so you might beleive, while Wales is the primary recruiting ground some flexibility is usual. At Rorkes Drift only half the soldiers of the company were actualy Welsh, officers could be from anywhere as they were class not region sourced. in any event officers and men would associate themselves as Welshmen, even if they were not. they all would sing men of Harlech, even though most were not. This is not considered in any way unsual. the soldiers of the regiment were honorary Welshmen even if not Welsh by birth.
To some extent this is still true today, especially in the Guards, which recruit half from the national territory and half from London where the Guards reside. So for example there will be a lot of Londoners in the Welsh, Scots and Irish Guards.
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Albatross wrote:@Frazzled - Wales is part of Britain.
Actually, I think it might be technically part of England - Wales being a principality and all. Not sure, but it's definitely part of The United Kingdom anyways.
Wales has always been part of Great Britain which is the name of the very large island north of the Normandy coast.
This is in turn part of the British Isles, which again is a geographical term The Republic of Ireland is part of the Brtish Isles in the same way Canada is part of North America.
Wales is part of the United Kingdom, which is the political unit covering all the components of the Britsh Isles except for the Republic of Ireland.
Wales has never been part of England, though it has for much of the time been administered as part of the English crown.
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So what you're saying is that the unit was recruited primarily from one area? OK. Thats not a US thing, hence my lack of understanding.
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The Uk military tradition is that units have a regional identity. The US is not averse to this concept itself, though the regional identities (read states) are less strongly held than the national whole. The US and CSA had strong regional identities in the American Civil War so you should be familiar with the historical concept anyway.
This is slowly being killed off sadly, the current dogma is that regional traditional historcal identities must be subsumed into the New Britain of a common dogma.
This is why many historical regments are being detroyed. there was an attempt to amalgamate the Guards into a single unit, that was resisted, but the Scottsh regiments lost their traditions and identities and numberous English regiments recently lost their identity to become five regiments of 'The Rifles'.
This is more thna a shame, and a catastrophic historic loss, regiments fight better knowing who they are what rtghey stand for and where their forebears fought. We need the Black Watch and other historical regiments, not the New Labour's own Regiment of Riflepersons.
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Orlanth wrote:yes,, the Uk military tradition is that units have a regiona identity. The US is not averse to this, though the regional identities are less strongly held. The US and CSA had strong regional identities in the American Civil War so you should be familiar with the historical concept.
This is slowly being killed off sadly, the current dogma is that regional traditional historcal identities must be subsumed into the New Britain of a comon dogma and different ethnicities replacing the differnt regional identities.
This is why many historical regments are being detroyed. there was an attempt to amalgamate the Guards into a single unit, also the Scottsh regiments lost their traditions and identities and numberour English regiments lost their identity to become five regiments of 'The Rifles'.
this is more thna a shame, and a catastrophic historic loss, regiments fight better knowing who they are. We need the Black Watch and other historica regiments, not the New Labour's own Regiment of Riflepersons.
You are very correct but what is commonly unknown is often during the civil war when you would hear 20th maine or 16 alabama these were believe it or not national gaurd (or militia if you will) reg't that were pulled into federal service. After the civil war the Gov't adopted the Confederates military build more because of the infasis on bats, divisions, and corps where as the Union was stronger into regt. unifacation and brigade level actions. Union divisions(minius art. bats) were often far smaller then the confederates just more numerous. Also REgimental history is very important to us and we incorp. this into the crest of the bat.
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Listen, my children, as I pass onto you the truth behind Willy Wonka and his factory. For every wonka bar ever created in existance, Mr. Wonka sacraficed a single Oompa Loompa to the god of chocolate, Hearshys. Then, he drank the blood of the fallen orange men because he fed them a constant supply of sugary chocolate so they all became diabetic and had creamy, sweet-tasting blood that willy could put into each and every Wonka bar. That is the REAL story behind willy wonka's Slaughter House!
