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I am quite new to playing WHFB (I've played a few small intro games in the shop) but have been into the hobby for a few years. At the moment I have a beastmen army in production but have a hidden passion for Night Goblins. I have no idea why but I love the little green guys.

When BFSP was released I was torn between starting a pure NG army, but I dropped out of warhammer for a while so didn't get round to it. Now that i've been back for a while I have started feeling the NG pull again. Now as much as I love them I can see NG have a real Ld problem, and as I have started to play more I don't want to waste my money on a pointless army, so I am asking Dakka, would a NG based army actually work?

I was thinking that I could include, Squig hoppers, spear chukkas, fanatics, giants, and a lot of Night goblins. I know this army will rely heavily on luck but I was hoping that the Squig hoppers, spear chukkas, fanatics, and giants would soften up the enemy before they reach the NGs. I know they die easily but hopefully large enough blocks of NG (40+ per unit) would allow them to hold their ground for a few turns.

So what do you think?

Hold out for 8th edition, its coming out in a couple of months supposedly.

It needs to be before then. When they release the new starter box the NG will dissappear and I doubt I could afford an NG horde army without BFSP.

There was a guy here who ran a pure Night Goblin army and said he did very well with them, placing routinely in the top end of tourneys and did well at friendly games as well. Pure Gobbos tends to be many blocks and a bunch of Fanatics, Spear Chukkas, etc. It can do well, but may get a little one-dimentional. I can't remember his name, but it was in various parts of the forums.

That said, BFSP looks like quite a deal and you could probably rack up on relatively cheap night goblins from it. If you really wanted, it can be done. Don't expect to win many games at first, though.

So far 3 yes, 0 no's... looks like a consensus (trying to swing it before anyone comes in on the other side )

So RiTides I assume you are for the army aswell?

This is very encouraging

Have no doubt, I have already begun searching ebay in case I do decide to go with them.

Yes, I'm definitely for it! I think if you go pure gobbos they can be effective, and a lot of fun!

Here's a link to a battle report by Waaagh_Gonads with his night gobbos army (includes his list as well):

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/251691.page

Pretty cool

Thanks for that report RiTides, it's interesting to see how they play. His list is similar to how I would make mine, except I would leave out the spider riders (possibly), snotlings depending on how useful they are, and Skarsnick (don't like named characters).

I think that I will have to use some non NG rules for my warboss. A Goblin big boss on a gigantic spider which counts as a NG on a cave spider is too cool to turn down and the extra Ld is always nice.

This all depends if the Goblin on gigantic spider is metal or plastic and how many peices it's in, if anyone know could they tell me?

It's a bit of a shame that he admits they aren't very good however everyone seems to agree they are fun to play and that's more important.

Go for it

Just got back into fantasy my self after missing most of 7th ed and 8th ed.

Was a bit annoyed to find out Night Goblin characters cant get Gigantic spiders any more. My poor Warboss Snotgob Spider tamer had to trade in his trusty mount for a Great Squig

Wont be playing my first new game till next week, but my all Night Goblin army was fun to play in the past and won most of there battles. The use of an overwhelming number of units was always the key hitting the enemy in the front and flanks at the same time (animosity permitting) after the fanatics did there work. Be interesting to see how my brave little gobbos perform after years hiding in there cave (shed).

I see your including a Giant in the list, I always found them very usefully. If your against a shooty army don't expect it to get into combat, opponents tend to direct a lot of missile and warmachine fire at them. But that does mean less shooting at other valuable and vulnerable units like hoppers and herders.

All these positive comments are great.

Cpt_fishcakes
I plan on using 2 giants at 2000 pts.

So far a basic army list would be:

Lords /heroes
Goblin Warboss
Gigantic spider
Porkos pigstikka
Spiteful shield

Night Goblin shaman
lvl 2 wizard
2 Dispel scrolls

Night Goblin shaman
Lvl 2 wizard
Staff of sneaky stealin

Night Goblin Big boss (BSB)
Raggeddy red banner
Light armour

Special

2 Squig herder units
Each containing 4 NG and 6 squigs

2 units of spear chukkas
2 spear chukkas per unit

Rare
2 Giants

Core

As many NG and snottlings as possible.

4M2A wrote:It needs to be before then. When they release the new starter box the NG will dissappear and I doubt I could afford an NG horde army without BFSP.

so buy a couple of bfsp and sell/ trade the dwarfs for more gobbos!
I wish you well in your endever!

cpt_fishcakes, you didn't miss 8th ed... it's coming out this summer (we think)

4M2A- that looks like a really cool army... are you a fast painter? Because (to state the obvious) that's a LOT of models!

One of the gals at my FLGS runs a Night Goblin army and she does very well with it. Again, lots of fanatics and spear chukkas. I personally don't like the thought of an all NG army, but if you want to go ahead and do it. My one recommendation for you would be to paint the robes different colors just for your sanity's sake. I got sick of painting just 20 NG the same color, so I can't imagine an army of all NG the same color. :shudders:

If you like snotlings, maybe consider some snotling pump wagons. They are quirky chariots that are just sort of fun and random.

Now up to 8-0 in the poll

I voted for NG's because of Fanatics..... Drugs are bad kids, hmmkay.

Yeah Ritides I have the same concern as you with the models, but I can paint well and I can be quite quick with motivation. Once I get over the little matter of loosing my sanity (whatever small amount i had to start with) I should be fine

Besides if I was mentally sane goblins really wouldn't be worth playing, underneath it's the madness of the army that draws me to them.

Right back on a serious note:
I am getting my air brush up and running soon (fingers crosses) so I will be able to base coat much faster. I don't plan on adding many details to the basic goblins because I don't want to waste all that time I could be playing with them.
A basic NG is going to be:

Sprayed black
Skin painted Knarloc Green
Cloak and speartip drybrushed light grey
Skin washed thraka green
Skin highlighted rotting flesh
Eyes and teeth painted komando khaki
Spear shaft painted mechrite red then washed baddab black

If I production line them I should get a couple of units done in a week. Plus all the giants and squigs and other non NG stuff will make a nice break.

Well thanks to everyone who voted.

I now have 80 Ngs on their way to me and hopefully some more soon.

4M2A wrote:Well thanks to everyone who voted.

I now have 80 Ngs on their way to me and hopefully some more soon.

Masochist

Not sure how well a Night Gobbo army will work out but if you want a lot of fun they will be good value. Mine have yet to win - though not played much . Was an absolute hoot every time though.

Best was when my daughter wanted to see how her newly assembled Dryads would do. The Gobbos failed every single Fear test and ran off the board! She was desperately disappointed not to use the Dryads, much to my amusement!

Yes my one concern is against fear causing enemies, where having 5 times as many guys wont help. If I can't get into combat I am in trouble. However to counter this I am taking lots of archers, enough arrows is going to kill something.

I am mainly making this army for fun, as I do with most of my armies, but I am going to fill the special and rare choices with the most powerful units in the list (as long they are fluff) to try and keep this army playable. As you can see from the above list I will have 4 bolt throwers, 2 giants and 2 squig herds. I don't know how they will work in reality but to me ( bearing in mind I understand WHFB but haven't played many games) they look like they could damage a battle line which is their role. The plan is to break up the other army a bit if neccesary then tarpiting their units with my fighting NG units (40-60 NG in each unit) and then getting flank charges with smaller NG units (only 30 NGs in each of these units).

I need to ask this as I am undecided on what mount my lord needs and it seems pointless to make a new thread. What is better a NG warboss on a Great Squig or a Goblin Warboss on a Gigantic Spider? NG on Great squig hits harder but the lack of control on such an important unit worries me. Now a goblin on Gigantic spider isn't as powerful but is much less random and has better Ld.

Wow, that paint scheme sounds great! And an airbrush should go a long way towards helping you NOT lose your sanity (hopefully).

For now, fear-causers will be something to plan around... hopefully this will be less of an issue in the next edition (keep your fingers crossed!)

always sounded like a fun army to do, but i hope you have enough money to buy all those goblins....cause damn man...box of 20 = 40 bucks. IE 120 NG= 240 dollars. and you could easily cram at least 240 or more in. imagine 500 bucks for rank and file NG alone. not even including all the paint....oh god id go nuts. but if you're down with it man...i think you'll make it work for ya

always sounded like a fun army to do, but i hope you have enough money to buy all those goblins....cause damn man...box of 20 = 40 bucks. IE 120 NG= 240 dollars. and you could easily cram at least 240 or more in. imagine 500 bucks for rank and file NG alone. not even including all the paint....oh god id go nuts. but if you're down with it man...i think you'll make it work for ya

This has always stopped me from collecting a horde army, but ebay + BFSP = lots of cheap NGs. It's easy to get 20 NGs for £5. The 80 NGs I just got only cost £30. I am expecting to have about 300 NG in my 2000 point army so thats about £120 which isn't too bad.

Is anyone able to help me with the question my last post? I really can't decide on what lord to get.

Also what do you think of NG themed spider riders. I am unsure about whether they would fit or not althought the added models would certainly help in games.

I was actually about to suggest converting up some NG themed spider riders after reading through this

I would be tempted to go for the Warboss on a Squig

That element of things going mental is what makes plays gobbos really frustrat... I mean so enjoyable!

It is a great attribute imho that the gobbos have things that can go badly wrong as it helps stop taking the game so seriously and adds such a lot of fun.

You may not win tourneys but it will be a blast

id have to agree with NG warboss on squig. Granted you wanna keep him in the middle of your troops as much as you can so they can use his leadership. The giant spider model IS pretty cool though, much more than the giant squig model ive seen. you can always use gobbla though, a few easy conversions and he'd be awesome.

and the models from EBAY sounds like a great idea, i never thought of doing it that way. makes sense though eh? Good call, you may be able to pull off the army and still make it cost efficient!

Yeah if I did make a NG on Giant squig I would need to convert a new model because the GW one is horrible. I am trying to keep this army competitive enough not to run off the board in turn 1 ( staying on the board for an entire game is my eventual aim) and the giant Squig can't join units and is quite slow, I am worried he would get shot very early on. Whereas I could put a Goblin warboss on a spider into a unit of Cave spiders (spider riders) and that would wok quite well. Tactically which is better Giant squig or spider?

Spoil sport!
Didn't realise that the Giant Squig was slow. Spiders iirc are pretty nifty and if the former can't join the units it may be better to go spidey. It sounds like you are liking that option more so go with what you feel better with

20-0, now! I'm very impressed that there hasn't been a single "no" vote (at this point). It shows you how very popular O&G are- people love playing them, against them, and they're not unbalanced (although hopefully they'll get a boost with the new rules, I think everyone who plays for/against them thinks so).

I'm not sure about the heroes, but spider riders are invaluable imho. In the few games I've played against O&G, they were the MVPs (that and boar riders)!

You could use a great squig general in conjunction with a unit of squig Hoppers to screen him. Under there army book description they both have the same rules except the Great squig cant join units, even though its on a monster base its just a beefed up squig hopper. The two units working together could potentially cause a lot of damage, though I can see why having a general with a random 3d6 movement range could be a problem.

A Spider would probably be the safest and most reliable option, A Squig could potentially cause more damage with its ability to hop into flank and rear charges easily, but its far less predictable.