Legendary Battles Expansion 2011 = Warhammer Fantasy Apocalypse

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**Kroothawk**

Hi,

as most people have seen by now, Legendary Battles are mentioned in the new big rulebook of 8th edition Warhammer Fantasy.
While Fantasy has no inherent limits to the size of your army like 40k (max 6 standards etc), there is room for simplified rules to streamline bigger battles, for stratagems to balance different army sizes and esp. for legendary units (datasheets!) like the Dwarven Airship featured in the BRB or the FW War Mammoth and legendary formations composed of normal troops (also datasheets). Now it seems that GW will make a whole expansion like this next year. fleshtuxedo over at Warseer posted this today:

A local manager nearly leaped across the counter at me after coming back from a recent trip to Las Vegas with the Retail team here in the US. And with his unbridled explosion of enthusiasm for the conversations about the future of warhammer, I figured I would drop it off with you guys to digest... confirm, deny, whatever... its interesting all the same.

Warhammer will receive an expansion to the basic game akin to what Apocalypse did for 40K. Large kits of monsters, warmachines, and the resurgence of a rumor of 150mm x 200mm bases for large stuff.
Also hinting at "new" seige/castle terrain as a component of the system...

this coincides nicely with recent rumors about Forge Worlds focus in warhammer goodies, and recent capabilities and focus on terrain as a product that is essential to basic gameplay.

**Grimstonefire**

I've been hearing about this for over 2 years already... about damn time.

(about the fact that there would be a proper warhammer apocalypse supplement, not all the details of base sizes)

**Kroothawk**

Harry over at Warseer just confirmed the castle:

The castle is just a part of the scenic goodness coming our way.

To compile some recent rumours on "Warhammer Forge", the FW Fantasy division, here some quotes from Forge World open days end of March this year:

AGPO wrote:Grimstonefire asked me to post this here, should be interesting tosee what comes out.

I had a very productive chat with Mark Bedford amongst others at the weekend, who confirmed a few things and also gave some interesting tips.

- There will be a whole seperate division, but it will still fly under the Forge World banner
- There will be regular campaign books, much like the Imperial Armour volumes
- Generic monsters such as the cockatrice may well be making a comeback
- There will be no gap fillers - those wanting Jabberslythes etc will have to wait for BoC phase II
- Skaven will be getting a whole load of attention, with Empire, Orcs, WoC and Dwarfs also getting some stuff
- Mounts that appear for more than one army, such as Griffons are likely high up the production timeline
- Heralds are being discussed
- We could see some VERY BIG things, I'm talking Warhound big

He was fairly tight lipped about some things - eg Chaos Dwarfs (although another designer confirmed to me that they had been discussed) and Rick Priestly's involvement. Most of the stuff is still in the 'it'd be pretty cool to do this' phase. Skaven, the Griffon, supplements and campaign books are more or less certain. One thing he was very firm on is that they won't be producing anything to plug gaps in existing army lists - it will be entirely new stuff and variations on current things.

Grimstonefire wrote:Here is a summary of what we discussed:

O The division may be called Warhammer Forge, but he wasn’t entirely sure on that.

O He did say that there *should* be some WF models for sale this year (don’t hold me to this guys )

O He agreed the Imperial Armour style books would be appropriate for their Warhammer releases. He also mentioned as a passing comment, specifically as part of this conversation on Warhammer IA, the ‘chaos books’… Incase anyone missed that, it is bookS, plural, themed on ‘Chaos’. Sorry if this gets someone in trouble…

O They would not introduce Chaos Dwarfs initially as a full race, rather that they would be phased in.

O The important thing I noted was that he did mention Chaos Dwarf units being done (no units were mentioned in particular, just collectively). Please bear in mind this may have only been him saying they *could* be done.

Just a reminder that several people in the GW design studio would love to do siege rules.

**UltraPrime**

Someone's having trouble with the quote feature...

**JBragg1984**

Just to add another bit to this. I have heard from rumours and someone who knows a fair bit of the inner working of Forgeworld and GW that Forgeworl are going to start up a brother company called WarForge or something that will concentrate on Warhammer and that they will be releasing books along the lines of the Apocolypse books for Warhammer with new scenarios and formations and stuff like that. I have heard rumour of a pretty amazing Phalanx style model although I am unsure of what army it would be for.

All I am saying is Bring On Warhammer Seige once more.

**Osbad**

The rumour I heard was that setting this up is what Rick Priestley has been up to for the last year or so.

**Kroothawk**

Osbad wrote:The rumour I heard was that setting this up is what Rick Priestley has been up to for the last year or so.

Sounds about right.

Here another tidbit on upcoming releases, that doesn't deserve its own thread due to vagueness and amount of salt needed

. Anyway, I just want to pass this information from a talk with Mat Ward, that Rhazzouth posted over at www.chaos-dwarfs.com yesterday:

Today I was in the Spanish Games Day.
And there was him the artifisor of the 8º edition (that monstruosity).
I asked him about the chaos dwarfs, he told to me there's going to be 2 more races but he says that he doesn't know which are(that's a lie my friend). After I asked that he looked at me with an assasain look .
I think that this will be useful and dont a stupid thing

**bigfood**

Does anybody have any ideas which models "warhound size" they could produce for WHFB? Forgeworld already had giants, mammooths(?) and dragons. In WH40k, there were titans, flyers and big tanks arround all the time in the fluff. Are there any WHFB things you can only read about but which aren´t produced?

I´m really looking forward to this. Good to hear that Rick Priestly has organized it.

**Kroothawk**

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**Tim the Biovore**

I'm guessing Skaven will get their Hell Pit Abomination, and Lizardmen might get a Thunderlizard (YAY). As for the races, I believe that it will be Chaos Dwarves and, as mentioned in a different thread, a race of apparently fish-men, who are similar to Nids.

However, don't take anything I have said for truth, as this is just my guessing. But man, would it be awesome, wouldn't it?

**Bloodwin**

I'm not surprised by this at all. I think at the launch of 7th ed you could have argued against it, as Forgeworld was very expensive and more of a collector's specialist with things like busts of characters and large scale versions of regular warhammer caracters. Nowadays Forgeworld models are very common and competitavely priced in 40k with some of their smaller models like the Dreadnoughts. Given the need for more figures per unit in Fantasy, I think they'd need a lot of preparation before starting a new race. They could however do things like Dragons and buildings.

I doubt we'd see a Hellpit Abomination for Skaven as that would be a 'blank filler' (I even heard a rumour of an HPA in the boxed set from a store manager (I thought it sounded a bit much tbh)) I wouldn't be surprised to see some kind of bizarre siege tower as a conversion kit of the Screaming Bell. Also some other types of Watchtower such as the High Elf ones.

**BrookM**

Dwarven ancestor cannons anyone?

**reds8n**

Bloodwin wrote:
I doubt we'd see a Hellpit Abomination for Skaven as that would be a 'blank filler' (I even heard a rumour of an HPA in the boxed set from a store manager (I thought it sounded a bit much tbh)) .

There is no HPA model in the Island of Blood boxset.

**Kirasu**

Hope they figure out a way to make fantasy playable at huge point limits. You may as well simply play multiple games side by side due to the limiting factor of movement and the size of unit blocks. In apoc units can intermix a lot easier and move to different areas faster

Those huge battles look great in the pictures tho!

**bigfood**

Kroothawk wrote:Just browse the Warhammer online concept art http://www.war-europe.com/#/conceptart/?lang=de :

(Don't forget that a big Squinx is part of the random terrain table )

Convinced

especially the chaos-tree and the windmill would be just great.

However, I still think that these are just accessoirs, like terrain and siege equipment. ,,Units" like the dwarven ship can´t be used in most games (due to lack of lakes and shores).
Maybe they think about dwarven zeppelins or empire technicus vehicles?

**Kid_Kyoto**

FW and WF? Oh Games Workshop take pity on the poor dyslexics!

Sounds really exciting, neither Forge World nor Fantasy are my cup of tea but more eye candy is always good news.

It's about time the old 'Mighty Fortress' was retired, that has to be the oldest GW product in production.

**Kroothawk**

The tree is not a Chaos tree. Ask a Dwarf player if the name "Tree of Beards" means anything to him

More big machines: first double page pic in 7th dition BRB, then page 40 and 56 in "Storm of CHaos" campaign book.

reds8n wrote:There is no HPA model in the Island of Blood boxset.

... but a plastic HPA by GW (not FW) soon afterwards

A FW Dwarven Zeppelin was also rumoured once.
BTW my favorite castle ATM is by Ziterdes http://www.ziterdes.de/ziterdes/en/produkte/article_detail.php?we_objectID=2763211&catID=64&subcatID=67

**skrulnik**

,,Units" like the dwarven ship can´t be used in most games (due to lack of lakes and shores).

The Dwarven ship is an airship/zeppelin.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:It's about time the old 'Mighty Fortress' was retired, that has to be the oldest GW product in production.

I was just looking at that. The Fortress is not available. But the individual parts are at about $20 each. Whole thing was $90, but the parts come in at about $160.

**BrookM**

Fortress kit can be found here, or try under the UK site.

**skrulnik**

oh, it shows up alright.

On the US site. Its under the Warhammer Scenery tab. But there is no "Add to Cart" button.

**mikhaila**

Two hopes:

1) It gets done a whole lot better than that horrible WD article.

2) It isn't put out through FW, and the books are available through normal channels.

If it's "FW only" then it's dead, far as I'm concerned. All my Warhammer Ancients books just got dumped since they took the new basic book away from independent stores.

**Flashman**

I hope it doesn't become about super war machines that can wipe out entire regiments with a single shot. Wiping out a squad of Space Marines in Apocalypse is one thing, but seeing a regiment of 40 miniatures removed at a stroke would become annoying.

**Kroothawk**

Did you have a look at the 8th edition magic rules?

**Flashman**

Well exactly, nobody wants to paint up a regiment of 40+ minis and see it get wiped out in a single turn.

New miscast table means that the Temple Guard have a lot more to fear from the Slann they are guarding than Bloodthirsters, Dragons and the like...

**Kirasu**

Put the slaan on a magic carpet with ethereal!

**AgeOfEgos**

When I was watching the Jervis YouTube video, I noticed some fortress towers/walls that looked like a kit (and were new);

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce4_rSyTpck&feature=related

2:41 in...that main gate and twin towers looks like a possibility of a new fortress...or?

**Flashman**

Kirasu wrote:Put the slaan on a magic carpet with ethereal!

Ooh! Good one

**Alpharius**

I really do - especially about Chaos Dwarfs!

**Kirasu**

I thought you were posting a picture of a slaan on a flying carpet.. oh well

**Mr Morden**

Sounds great - maybe they will call it Nuln?

Thing really looking forward to are the Fantasy Imperial Armour books