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HQ:
Big Mek 95pts
w/ KFF
w/ Cybork Body

Big Mek 95pts
w/ KFF
w/ Cybork Body

Troops:
11x Boyz 106pts
w/ Power Klaw Boss Pole Nob

11x Boyz 106pts
w/ PK BP Nob

12x Boyz 112pts
w/ PK BP Nob

12x Boyz 112pts
w/ PK BP Nob

12x Boyz 112pts
w/ PK BP Nob

19x Gretchin 67pts
w/ Runtherd

5x Trukks 275pts
w/ Red Paint Job
w/ Reinforced Ram
w/ Boarding Plank
w/ Rokkit

Fast Attack:
20x Stormboyz 280pts
w/ PK BP Nob

Deffkopta 70pts
w/ TL Rokkits
w/ Buzzsaw

Deffkopta 70pts
w/ TL Rokkits
w/ Buzzsaw

Looking for C&C, open to all suggestions. Thanks!!

Not sure about the Stormboyz, but ok for a fast assault list. Only problem is that I can't see any units that are tough to draw fire, all of your choices are pretty fragile, although dual KFFs to protect, its still not the best defence. I'm assuming your not facing too much AV14 right?

Personally I'd take this list, maybe bikers over Stormboyz, but only if I knew I would not face Landraiders or other heavy tanks.

Yeah, the trukks are pretty fragile but I figure with 5 of them and two KFF's most should make it, especially with good ramshackle rolls.

Against AV 14, I guess I'm gonna have to rely on Boarding Plank PK's...

Meh a trukk list but at least you've taken plenty of them and dual kff. You should invest at least amount of points possible as they pop easily, if you're taking anything take a plank only. However don't expect 12 boys to last, sorry to say battlewagon spam is better.

Storm oys suck you should get loolootas for long range support

I love Stormboyz, love love love them. They may not be optimal, but at least they're not Flash Gitz or Looted Wagons, am I right?

That being said:

@Eyclonus
So you would change nothing?

@mercer
If i were to run barebones Trukks, plank only, what would you have me spend those 75pts on?

1500 is a sweet spot for Orks. I kinda like it... but even with a +4 save I think it wouldn't be hard to take down those two trukks with the Meks...dunno ain't tried it personally

I have been working up a squad of Stormboyz got 15 done so far can't wait to field em! Optimal or not you got the love those guys! The models are awesome.

I like the lists, its pretty solid. I'm not crazy about stormboys but your not trading boys for toys, you have the points so take em.

My only critique is the cybork on the meks. I didn't think ou were a fan of cybork bodies. It's a small thing tho.

otherwise, i say go with it. looks great! If you were looking to be more compeititve i would drop the stormboys for a Waggun' but if you love em than keep em. Remember why we play orks: Becuase they're fun.

If you dropped all of the upgrades on the trukks except the rams and one of the cybork's on a big mek - that free's up 85 pts - Zagstruk strike your fancy?

Really trukk spam for orks works great. With 2 KFF youll be fine. That 4+ does wonders. I would at least drop the rams and rockets.

If you like the storm boys take them but I will say. That since everything is in a truck for the first turn or 2 those storm boys are gunna take ALL of the anti infantry fire since they will prolly be the only thing worth shooting at. At first anyways.

But other then that youll rock face.

Vrakk wrote:If you dropped all of the upgrades on the trukks except the rams and one of the cybork's on a big mek - that free's up 85 pts - Zagstruk strike your fancy?

Fantastic idea. If you get Zag in there, that opens up all kinds of possibilies.

Never seen a trukk list before so I can't help you there, but it looks solid enough.

2000 Volts wrote:I like the lists, its pretty solid. I'm not crazy about stormboys but your not trading boys for toys, you have the points so take em.

My only critique is the cybork on the meks. I didn't think ou were a fan of cybork bodies. It's a small thing tho.

otherwise, i say go with it. looks great! If you were looking to be more compeititve i would drop the stormboys for a Waggun' but if you love em than keep em. Remember why we play orks: Becuase they're fun.

I put the cybork bodies on because I had twenty points left and didn't know what else to spend it on.

TheOniTsuki wrote:Really trukk spam for orks works great. With 2 KFF youll be fine. That 4+ does wonders. I would at least drop the rams and rockets.

If you like the storm boys take them but I will say. That since everything is in a truck for the first turn or 2 those storm boys are gunna take ALL of the anti infantry fire since they will prolly be the only thing worth shooting at. At first anyways.

But other then that youll rock face.

The stormboyz will be behind the trukks so hopefully a 4+ cover save will keep them around.

Not the hugest fan of Zagstruk, cool model though...

Ditch the gretchin too mate and get a 3rd kopter and lootas from the dropped stormboyz.

I still think the Zaqstruk idea is very nice. If you don't agree, id still couple two of those boyz units into a unit of 20 (obviously you'd have to get rid of 4) and put them in a battlewagon. Both the battle wagon and the boyz unit are more durable, i have horrible visions of all your truks getting blown up and the boyz inside them shot to threads by bolters/railguns

@Eldar Own

One battlewagon would get targeted by everything and insta-popped as it is obviously the most threatening unit on the field. This list relies on target saturation and I just don't think trading two targets for one is a very good idea.

However, I could be wrong. Anyone else think I should drop two trukks for a wagon?

@mercer
I plan on placing the grots in reserve to hold a backfield objective in the end-game rather than leaving a trukk behind. Is one more kopta really worth that?

Claypool wrote:However, I could be wrong. Anyone else think I should drop two trukks for a wagon?

My 1500 point list is two battle wagons full of shoota boyz and a Mek, three trukks full of Slugga boyz and a Warboos, and two Koptas with buzzsaws. Thinking I has 12 lootas there too.

Either way in my last league it went undefeated.

General_Chaos wrote:

Claypool wrote:However, I could be wrong. Anyone else think I should drop two trukks for a wagon?

My 1500 point list is two battle wagons full of shoota boyz and a Mek, three trukks full of Slugga boyz and a Warboos, and two Koptas with buzzsaws. Thinking I has 12 lootas there too.

Either way in my last league it went undefeated.

Great job! However, that would be, imo, rewriting the whole list.

Claypool wrote:@Eldar Own

One battlewagon would get targeted by everything and insta-popped as it is obviously the most threatening unit on the field. This list relies on target saturation and I just don't think trading two targets for one is a very good idea.

However, I could be wrong. Anyone else think I should drop two trukks for a wagon?

@mercer
I plan on placing the grots in reserve to hold a backfield objective in the end-game rather than leaving a trukk behind. Is one more kopta really worth that?

No mate don't drop the Trukks for a single Battlewagon. In normal cases I would say yes, but as you have mentioned target saturation.

Grots I do not fear mate and I am sure no one else does. They're weak and can be easily taken out. Kopters I'm not gonna tell you what they can do as you know, but one thing you should know about is target saturation and what you said about the single BW applies to the single Kopter too.

Oh, Lootas!!!! lol

Use the stormboys squad to surround the trucks and therefore provide cover to both (or at least cover to the stormboys and, depending on how your trucks are modeled, cover to the trucks)

Deuce11 wrote:Use the stormboys squad to surround the trucks and therefore provide cover to both (or at least cover to the stormboys and, depending on how your trucks are modeled, cover to the trucks)

Why wouldn't I just put the stormboyz behind the trukks since the trukks have a 4+ save thanks to the KFF? That way my whole army has a 4+ as it zooms across the field.

And LOS possibly cannot be drawn to the Stormboyz too...

mercer wrote:And LOS possibly cannot be drawn to the Stormboyz too...

Delicious!!

So what would you guyz add to take this list up to 2000pts? I'm thinking 2 Trukks with 3 Complex Meganobz in each hiding behind the other trukks for some extra counter assault goodness, but that leaves 130pts left.

I agree with your stance on storm boyz. Love em ! despite them being the most competitive or not. I my self ran a list mech based, with stormboyz, 2 bw 2 trukks with this and that and a mek kff. The only problem i had was i had no real hammer when it came to CC. I played my friends BA army and his HQ with his guard squad w/ jump packs, FNP ect. ect. They just ran down my sluggas and shootas. Every thing else in his list i had no problems with. I'm sure i could have made some different decisions, but at the time i wish i had a squad of Nobz or a Warboss to provide a challenge to them. If you get the assault if they neutralize it, . Just meh 2 cents.

Claypool wrote:

mercer wrote:And LOS possibly cannot be drawn to the Stormboyz too...

Delicious!!

So what would you guyz add to take this list up to 2000pts? I'm thinking 2 Trukks with 3 Complex Meganobz in each hiding behind the other trukks for some extra counter assault goodness, but that leaves 130pts left.

Claypool I've posted your original list and request for help on my blog. Here's the link, you may get more ideas so check it out: http://www.imperiusdominatus.com/2010/07/warp-message-orks-1500-points.html

Trukks with Meganobz suck. Meganobz got no invulnerables so I.D them with melta or lascannon and they're gone. Trukks are mega weak so pop them and the Meganobz are doing SnP - bad times. I would take Wagons but this only gives you two Wagons, maybe. I'd take Nobz instead perhaps either make them cheap by taking a Painboy cybork bodies and the odd power klaw or too or make them complicated.

5 Nobz w/ 'eavy Armor 195pts
PK-Shoota/Skorcha
Big Choppa-Waaagh Banner-Shoota/Skorcha
Big Choppa-Shoota/Skorcha
Vanilla-Bosspole
Vanilla

Trukk 55pts
w/ Red Paint Job
w/ Reinforced Ram
w/ Boarding Plank
w/ Rokkit

Two of these is exactly 500pts.

Ok you need to save of points. You need a Painboy in each to give cybork body and you get FnP then too. If the Trukk does get popped at least no SnP like Meganobz and have a invulnerable save to weather the storm.

4x Nobz w/ Cybork Bodies 200pts
Painboy
PK-Bosspole-Waaagh Banner
Big Choppa
Vanilla

Trukk 50pts
RPJ
Reinforced Ram
Boarding Plank

Two of these?

That's better. Probably lose RPJ what's 1" anyway?

HQ:
Big Mek 95pts
w/ KFF
w/ Cybork Body

Big Mek 95pts
w/ KFF
w/ Cybork Body

Elites:
4x Nobz w/ Cybork Bodies 200pts
Painboy
PK-Waaagh Banner-Bosspole
Big Choppa
Vanilla

4x Nobz w/ Cybork Bodies 200pts
Painboy
PK-Waaagh Banner-Bosspole
Big Choppa
Vanilla

Troops:
11x Boyz 106pts
w/ Power Klaw Boss Pole Nob

11x Boyz 106pts
w/ PK BP Nob

12x Boyz 112pts
w/ PK BP Nob

12x Boyz 112pts
w/ PK BP Nob

12x Boyz 112pts
w/ PK BP Nob

19x Gretchin 67pts
w/ Runtherd

5x Trukks 275pts
w/ Red Paint Job
w/ Reinforced Ram
w/ Boarding Plank
w/ Rokkit

2x Trukks 100pts
w/ Reinforced Ram
w/ Boarding Plank
w/ Rokkit

Fast Attack:
20x Stormboyz 280pts
w/ PK BP Nob

Deffkopta 70pts
w/ TL Rokkits
w/ Buzzsaw

Deffkopta 70pts
w/ TL Rokkits
w/ Buzzsaw

2000pts

For 1500pts drop the Nobz and their rides.

Final List? Any other comments?

Storm Boyz abnd Grots still lingering about I see and no ranged anti tank makes me sad :(

mercer, I love Stormboyz. They are probably one of my favorite models ever. I love what they can do; I love how they look; I love their fluff. The only thing that was keeping me from using them was their cost, but I just got an amazing deal on 20 of the buggers so I'm going to use them. I know Lootas would be a more competitive option, but I just don't want to field them. /rant