Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

I found this on another forum... Please excuse the bad grammer and misspelled words... you can definatly tell i didnt write this!


Roboute Guilliman Primarch Of the Ultramarines

Roboute Guilliman continued to serve with the Ultramarines Chapter, leading them for a hundred years after the Second Founding. It was said that during those years, Guilliman led several incursions alongside his brother Primarchs against the remaining Chaos Space Marines. An unreliable source states that during one incursion, Guilliman faced Alpharius of the Alpha Legion and defeated him in single combat. The Ultramarines could not liberate the planet, as the Alpha Legion was adept at fighting independently, despite the (apparent) death of Alpharius; eventually the Ultramarines moved on. He was finally defeated by one of the traitor Primarchs, Fulgrim of the Emperor's Children, who had become a Daemon Prince of Slaanesh. Fatally poisoned by his one-time brother, Roboute was transported back to Macragge in a stasis field, and has remained entombed in the field for ten thousand years. Although physically impossible in a stasis field, it is believed that his wounds are healing, and one day he will awaken again.

Roboute Guilliman

Pts735
Ws 9
Bs 6
S 6/10
T 6
W 7
I 5
A 8+D6
Ld 10
Sv 2+/3+

Wargear: Fists Of Guilliman.

Regenerate Guilliman regenerates 1 lost wound per turn on a D6 roll of 5+

Fists of Guilliman: two mighty Power Fists with incorporated bolters that were taken from a fallen Chaos champion slain by Roboute Guilliman himself, the Ultramarines Primarch. No one has been able to penetrate the thick adamantine shell of the fists to study the workings inside. While not in use, the Gauntlets are stored within a crystal case at the Fortress of Hera, inside the Temple of Correction's "Shrine of the Great Primarch". The 'Gauntlets of Ultramar' are only worn by Marneus Calgar, the Chapter Master of the Ultramarines. Master Crafted Power fists +D6 attacks integral Storm Bolters + 3D6 strength Armour Penetration.

Inspiring Guilliman is inspired throughout the Imperium and his name is greatly renowned he is the rallying point for all Ultramarines who would willingly sacrifice their lives for him. All Ultramarines within 12 Inches of Guilliman receive Feel no Pain and are Fearless

Weak towards Poison: In a battle against the Emperor's Children, Guilliman would meet his end. Where Alpharius had not greatly embraced the Chaos powers, and was essentially unchanged from his original Primarch form, Fulgrim had been to the Eye of Terror, reaping the terrible powers therein, and had been elevated by Slaanesh to a mighty and fell Daemon Prince, no longer resembling a man, but his original purity of form corrupted and augmented by the ruinous powers. Fulgrim was now a serpentine creature of immense stature, and multi-limbed. Each limb carried a poisoned sword, and in the clash he stabbed Guilliman in the neck and then retreated to the Eye of Terror. Guilliman was interred in the stasis field by the Apothecaries, and remains frozen in the instant of death. To represent his weakness towards poisoned attacks wound 3+ and cause 2 wounds instead of 1

Armour of Gulliman: Legendary Armour forged on Terra by Guilliman himself it is flawless and can survive attacks that would wrench apart most other armour. This armour makes Guilliman immune to Rending attacks (including Necron Gauss Weapons) and adds +1 Toughness and +1 wound,

Master Tactician: Guilliman as brilliant strategic general he knows when to arrive and how to arrive on the battlefield his men always know that he will make the right decisions when deploying and obey his orders no matter what. 2 Units in Guillimans army may use the scouts ability, all basic space marine squads have the infiltrate ability and Guilliman may always choose to reroll for deployment and first turn.

If Marneus Calgar has God of War just because he's the Chapter Master of the Ultrasmurfs, wouldn't Guilliman have something like "Supreme Awesome High Lord of War" or something. Basically a better version of GoW instead of Inspiring.

Infiltrate for all Marines? isn't that, uh, Alpharius' thing? I know what he used against Alpharius but it seems inappropriate. and why does he get new Gauntlets? I'm sure Marneus Calgar would be more than willing to give them back. that poison used against him was an immense kind of mojo, I doubt anything the Hive Mind can concoct would be able to take advantage of that supposed weakness, at least, I certainly don't believe he's any more vulnerable to the effects than a normal Space Marine, after, the Ultramarines were derived from his geneseed. and change "Master Tactician to "Lord Commander of the Imperium" as befits his rank, though I guess his rank might not count to anyone but the Ultramarines 10 thousand years into the future.

Hrm, how about:

nirvana69 wrote:He was finally defeated by one of the traitor Primarchs, Fulgrim of the Emperor's Children, who had become a Daemon Prince of Slaanesh. Fatally poisoned by his one-time brother, Roboute was transported back to Macragge in a stasis field, and has remained entombed in the field for ten thousand years.

Roboute Guilliman

Pts 70
Ws 0
Bs 0
S 0/0
T 0
W 1
I 1
A 0
Ld 10
Sv 2+/2+

Wargear: Coffin of Guilliman

Guilliman is mortally wounded, trapped in a Stasis Field. This field gives him a 2+/2+ save, but he is immobile while trapped within the coffin. Still, his mere presence is inspiring to the Ultramarines, and in rare occasions, they'll bring him out for a fight (they seem to think it helps with his healing). Any Ultramarine with Line of Sight to Guilliman can choose whether to pass or fail any Leadership or Morale tests they're required to take.

The Coffin of Guilliman is automatically considered an objective in any game in which it is fielded. If the Ultramarines do not control the Coffin of Guilliman at the end of the game, they lose the game. Furthermore, if Guilliman actually loses his last wound during the battle, the Ultramarines not only lose this game, but all future games. Seriously, why are you dragging the near-corpse of your Primarch out into battles, didn't he teach you anything?

These are pre- heresy rules =P

Don't worry too much - haters gonna hate and all that!

And really, expect arguments, teeth gnashing and hair pulling any time "primarch" and "rules" are used in the same sentence, never mind right next to each other!

There all just jealous because the only thing thats ever killed a primarch was another primarch =P Marines dont die!

Pre hersey should use same gauntlents of Ultramer, and I like the "Dead" Guilliman rules too!

The gaunlets would be much more proper... it would explain how calgar came to recieve them.

nirvana69 wrote:I found this on another forum... Please excuse the bad grammer and misspelled words... you can definatly tell i didnt write this!

Oh no worries; your spelling and grammar are impeccable and I would never think to believe that these rules were your own.

You should include Spiritual Liege- "If the enemy is using Spess mahreens they automatically become under your control because everyone loves Rowboat."

OR i could add "Necron scourge" - " being that his power greatly exceedes that of a weak necron, necron lords are to over-come with feelings of inadaquancey to use there orbs of resurection properly. ALL necron units on the board lose the "well be back" special rule." i like the sound of that one!

Redbeard wrote:Hrm, how about:

nirvana69 wrote:He was finally defeated by one of the traitor Primarchs, Fulgrim of the Emperor's Children, who had become a Daemon Prince of Slaanesh. Fatally poisoned by his one-time brother, Roboute was transported back to Macragge in a stasis field, and has remained entombed in the field for ten thousand years.

Roboute Guilliman

Pts 70
Ws 0
Bs 0
S 0/0
T 0
W 1
I 1
A 0
Ld 10
Sv 2+/2+

Wargear: Coffin of Guilliman

Guilliman is mortally wounded, trapped in a Stasis Field. This field gives him a 2+/2+ save, but he is immobile while trapped within the coffin. Still, his mere presence is inspiring to the Ultramarines, and in rare occasions, they'll bring him out for a fight (they seem to think it helps with his healing). Any Ultramarine with Line of Sight to Guilliman can choose whether to pass or fail any Leadership or Morale tests they're required to take.

The Coffin of Guilliman is automatically considered an objective in any game in which it is fielded. If the Ultramarines do not control the Coffin of Guilliman at the end of the game, they lose the game. Furthermore, if Guilliman actually loses his last wound during the battle, the Ultramarines not only lose this game, but all future games. Seriously, why are you dragging the near-corpse of your Primarch out into battles, didn't he teach you anything?

Baby guilliam... WS...BS///etc.bs....

perhaps whoever took the doctrine of Guiliman are pure. these are the RULES because they are the RULES! and you better believe he'll be there next time the RULES get redone... heh.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
sanguinous is the martyr, guillY is the hope

nirvana69 wrote:OR i could add "Necron scourge" - " being that his power greatly exceedes that of a weak necron, necron lords are to over-come with feelings of inadaquancey to use there orbs of resurection properly. ALL necron units on the board lose the "well be back" special rule." i like the sound of that one!

Touche, though tbh I don't think it's possible for necrons to get any more sucky

I always thought it would be better to tone down the statline and have primarchs more like a better marine with a crapload of special rules than a walking tank. I mean T7 W7 A8+D6? I know they are bad ass in the fluff n' all, but the difference between a marine and a regular dude is ya know... one point of S and T, giving even a primarch Double what a marine has, especially not one of the real beserker badass ones, seems excessive. I'd give them more special rules and have some awesome synergy stuff. I'd rather see a good invul save with a reroll than T7 and seven wounds. Am I explaining that well? It's like primarchs should be marines... but more, not some complete other order of being

wow. are you serious?

Tone it way down.

WS7 BS6 S/T4 [5 at best.] W8 I5 A10 Ld10.

Gauntlets of the damned: [renamed, sorry. you said he took them] Are a set of integral powerfists with conjoined storm bolters. thay are used as normal powerfists, however, re-roll all failed to hit rolls.
Remove 3D6 anti-armour. waay overdone. not even RG could push aside a tank, not even bjorn can do that.

Storm bolters, treat like MC bolter thing, or just he can fire two storm bolters a turn. [assault 4?]

Inspiring presense. remove. give him the god of war rule.

Remove armour of guilliam, just make it normal armour, see, it doesn't matter. his stats are good enough, and modifiers are being removed as much as possible.

Brilliant tactitian: May choose when reserves come on, rather then their coming on randomly. additionally, All tactical marines gain the infiltrate rule, He may also re-roll a failed Steal the initiative roll.

Tone points down to about 400. he's good, but In equivalency, I can definatly see 3 and a half squads of tactical marines taking a good chunk out of him. [the equivalence in points.]


Automatically Appended Next Post:

Bromsy wrote:primarchs should be marines... but more, not some complete other order of being

This.

Agree whole heartedly.

they're just the stitching of the marine. they are not some god of war. [no, marneus calgar is just too much of a failure to keep cool names for rules.]




Automatically Appended Next Post:

Alpharius wrote:Don't worry too much - haters gonna hate and all that!

And really, expect arguments, teeth gnashing and hair pulling any time "primarch" and "rules" are used in the same sentence, never mind right next to each other!

Once again, I agree. it's not like it's a bad idea. you just felt that he deserved something more then he did.

Remember: Any primarch is only so much better then the current chapter master. [Space the Wolves. he's way too badass, though I can't see Leman not giving him a run for his pennies.]

They're not super-superhumans, they're still just genetically enhanced superhumans, not Gods or even particularily powerful beings. they are mostly meant to be great fighters, and excelent tacticians. not necesarily meaning that they're some murderous guard killing machine.

well think of it like this,

the emperor of ALL man kind. the strongest, most powerful individual to every set foot upon the galaxy, was nearly bested by a primarch... your telling me that one of these primarch couldnt seriously mangle any battle field they set foot upon?

not to mention that primarchs are derived from certain parts of HIS own gene code. yes, the rule may be a bit stong, but i dont agree with cutting them down so dirasticaly.

asimo77 wrote:You should include Spiritual Liege- "If the enemy is using Spess mahreens they automatically become under your control because everyone loves Rowboat."

I'd add this to your rule: "- unless the oppossing army is Space Wolves in witch case they gain the Fearless, Furious Charge, and Rage USR because they hated his book"

Haha, perfect!

Who says the emperor was the bestest?

I think that Khaine might want words with him...

Also, The emperor is still human, even S/T5 is unbelieveably good for a truestrain human, and is still unbelieveable for any genetically enhanced humans, unless they're like a cyborg, or something.

well, hes also the re-incarnation of the worlds 1000 best phycic (spelled wrong =P) wielders and single handedly destroyed any opposition. i never heard of eldar taking a massive crusade across the galaxy and overtaking it in a few short millenia, but i did hear that they DID rule and were all but destroyed =P THEN the emperor almost captured all there precious web- ways =P

You never heard of it because your kind was still crawling out of the seas and throwing bananas and poo at each other when we were doing it. And yeah we were nearly destroyed, by ourselves, the only thing in the galaxy capable of destroying us. Now take your little monkeigh ass and go persecute a heretic or something. Don't even compare the Eldar mytholagy to the Hoomaan mythology. Both are lost to the depths of time. Eldar time was far far far distance from Hoomaan time. It would be like trying to compare gods of ancient egypt to modern day faith healer churches.

well id hate to disagree with you there, but it was chaos that caused the decline of the eldar. without there "we know everything" attitude, they wouldve ruled, but they didnt =] the imperium will eventually die out, but i can well assure you they will last eons longer then eldar before there consumed by the tyranids. At least marines can die and be put into use once more, thanks to progenoid glands, where eldar get shoved in rocks then tossed under ground. =]


Automatically Appended Next Post:
OR you could put your "spirit stone" into a peace of living wood. thats effective!

"Well, I'd hate to disagree with you there, but it was The chaos forces that caused the decline of the eldar [false.] Without their 'We know everything' attitude, They would've Ruled, but they didn't. The imperium will eventually die out, but I can assure you they will last [a]eons longer then the eldar, before they are consumed by tyranids. At least marines can die and be used again, thanks to their progenoid glands, where eldar get shoved into rocks and then tossed underground.


agh, stop using so many smileys!

THE EMPEROR ISN'T SOME GOD. he is in no way a god. he's an EMPEROR. Sigmar isn't a god, is he? and they're supposed to be the same. And no, Eldar ALSO re-use dead warriors. they have their own form of dreadnought, called a wraithlord. [even if it is a monstorous creature] they actually better it, with wraithguard.

Sorry, I'm a bit of a Grammar NaZi

well, if we all dove a little deeper into the history here, we would all learn that the emperor will re-incarnate into a god. (thank you, start child, youll save the imperium still).

and if I wants to use bad gramer and spellin, this aint english class! im pretty sure "bestess" isnt a word...

AND finally, when i marine is put in a dreadnought, its a great honor. but for a certain anerexic- alien species, its dishonorable and only used when there about to take an ass woopin. try again =] =] =] =] =] =] =] =] =] =]

primarchs SHOULD be strength and toughness 6, tempus fugitives did it and it worked well

ok... well its at 7 so i guess it can be dropped down by one...

nirvana69 wrote:well think of it like this,

the emperor of ALL man kind. the strongest, most powerful individual to every set foot upon the galaxy, was nearly bested by a primarch... your telling me that one of these primarch couldnt seriously mangle any battle field they set foot upon?

not to mention that primarchs are derived from certain parts of HIS own gene code. yes, the rule may be a bit stong, but i dont agree with cutting them down so dirasticaly.

the Emperor is the most powerful induvidual ever? did you know Horus saved his life when this omnipotent being was being choked by an Ork?

well, then he slayed horus... i never read that. where can i find that story at?

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Horus
last sentence, under "Rediscovery"
so not much of a story

apparently it's from Realm of Chaos: The Lost and the Damned