Where do Ork Trukks belong?

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**The_Savior**

I'm building some Ork Trukks as we speak.

I can make to about 4 Trukks or 2 Battle Wagons.

But the thing I'm getting at here is how many Trukks are necessary?

Do they belong in a Kan Wall List? or Green Tide, or different?

What's the smart thing to do?

Discuss.

**The_Savior**

Good thing I haven't made anything yet, I'm just gathering objects that can scratch build them.

Would anyone have an example of a competitive list that runs vehicles.

I have one BW so I guess I should make three?

Or what would you do?

**The_Savior**

I'll have to test it out.

**The_Savior**

So should trukks even be used?

**The_Savior**

I think 2 Trukks might be the best option. Does anyone else seem to agree.
Also I equip all my vehicles with Red Paint Job.

**The_Savior**

General_Chaos wrote:I run my trukks with Rams, boarding planks, and Rokkit Launchers. Those and maybe red paint are the only upgrades I would recommend. I say maybe with redpaint because they are fast enuff to out run your KFF the extra speed isn't necessary in most cases

That's why they all got RPJ so that they go in a whole.

**The_Savior**

kenshin620 wrote:
The_Savior wrote:I think 2 Trukks might be the best option. Does anyone else seem to agree.
Also I equip all my vehicles with Red Paint Job.

Hmm make sure you either dont have anything expensive in there or have something else to draw fire power from.

Kraks and Autocannons will eat those alive since theres only 2

Hide behind the Wagons.

**The_Savior**

So far the list I play test online runs 2 Trukks and I'm quite content.

**The_Savior**

I run a list with 3 Wagons and 2 Trukks with a KFF to support them.

**The_Savior**

However I think we can all agree, that after the Trukk has been disembarked from, it's great to tank shock enemy units and or potentially blow up their face.

**The_Savior**

notabot187 wrote:
The_Savior wrote:However I think we can all agree, that after the Trukk has been disembarked from, it's great to tank shock enemy units and or potentially blow up their face.

You have to pay extra points to tank shock with them sadly, as they are not a tank starting out. I personally don't like spending more points than I have to on such a fragile and single dimension unit.

You mean I can't just put the ram, and run into people?

**The_Savior**

I usually only run RPJ and the Ram with Trukks, and that's how I get my preferred 160 points of Trukk Boyz.

**The_Savior**

General_Chaos wrote:
notabot187 wrote:But turn one it's better shoot at truks
which is why they are awesome!!! as repeated a couple times above it's called target saturation

Do you either go for the trukks?, the battlewagons?, the deff koptas?, the lootas?, the whatever?... there is no correct answer, something is gunna get to you and punch you in the face

What he said...

However, if you're like me you run the Koptas in their faces, have the lootas on a deadly BLOS to rain dakka on them, and have a convoy with a KFF saying what's up?

Choose your shots wisely.

**The_Savior**

phillosmaster wrote:
notabot187 wrote:Battle wagons are rarely if ever a good first turn target. Even if your army has lascannons. Firing a lascannon at a KFF battlewagon is a really poor prospect until that wagon has exposed its sides (which shouldn't happen until turn 2 at the earliest) The shots on turn 1 should be going on the truks, who are usually the most immediate and usually easiest threat to kill.

Most lists I've been playing with and against have the ability to demobilize (stunned, immobile, or destroyed) around 2-3 rhinos type hulls a turn, even with smoke and other cover. Truks aren't that durable. They aren't even as durable as a landspeeder.

If you do get lucky, and get that unit of truk boyz across the boad intact and take out that small unit of devs, sternguard, or whatever... congrats. It isn't like your opponent who placed a unit that close to a truks assault range wasn't prepared to take some loses. Hell, it might even have been bait. Also, those truk boyz are like to have been badly mauled before they got to kill, so are in all likely hood stuck in the open with 6+ saves, low on bodies, and it is the opponents turn.

So there are no Ork fast attacks and infiltrators in this scenario to take care of some of these lascannons? Also those bait units are getting run over by deffrollas so we can continue on to the main assault because that what their heartless general deserves for throwing away units like that

I use Koptas to take out Dreads and things.

**The_Savior**

phillosmaster wrote:exactly.

Yup.

Suicide or Kopta Squads zoom in and take our potential threats, while the Convoy of vehicles rolls across.

**The_Savior**

Davicus wrote:
BeRzErKeR wrote:That's all fine and good. The point is, if that Tau (or Space Wolf, or IG) is shooting at your Trukks, GOOD! They've done what they were intended to do!

And now your BWs, your Stormboyz, your Bikers, your Deff Koptas, your Kommandos, are all right in their face. They used hundreds and hundreds of points-worth of firepower just to dismount your cheap little throw-away Slugga Boy squads. Great!

If you get first turn, trukk spam is devastating. Flat--out 24" up the board, oh look, you're in assault range already. They need to kill your WHOLE army in one turn of shooting. Good luck with that.

Going second, trukks can have trouble; assuming that your opponent is targeting them specifically, and assuming they aren't out of LOS. Worst case scenario, as I said, your opponent has used a great deal of firepower dismounting cheap little units that can now hold your home objectives, or form a back-up wave or troops a turn behind your other vehicles.

Can Trukks be misused? Easily. Are they particularly durable? No. But are they BAD? Absolutely not.
I lol-ed at this once again.
I will not be able to ONLY shoot your trukk and leave your wagons alone. I WILL be able to shoot your trukks AS WELL AS your wagons. At 1,750, an ork list with 4 or 5 trukks will have like 1 or at most 2 wagons. Trukks are SOOOO fragile that i ll just have to divert a portion of my firepower to deal with them (notice my calculation above haven't include glancing hits and other arms). If at 1,750 you can have 4 or 5 trukks and STILL have all of the above you have mentioned, I ll definitely take out my calculator and check your list :-).

It's 18 or 19 inch (with rpj) btw, not 24 inches, get the facts right first please.

I don't need to kill your army in one or two turns. I just need to disembark your whole army (which are mostly in those pathetic trukks), and take my time to slowly mow them down.

A trukk within a Wagon spam list - Yes. If you start advocating multiple trukks, I start laughing at you :-)

Calm down sir.

No need to be condescending on a forum.

**The_Savior**

No, seriously all of you stfu, and stop stroking your ego/e-peen.

**The_Savior**

cyrax777 wrote:What about a nob mob in a truck? At least once the truck goes boom they have 2 wounds.

Yes but would you want that Mob to be stuck on foot?

**The_Savior**

Snikkyd wrote:You can have 2 KFFs, 3 min sized nob units in trukks, 6 squads of boys in trukks, 9 rokkit buggies, and 9 kannons in a 2000 point list. Thats the way to use trukks, in mass numbers. 9 trukks with a 4+ will survive long enough, and the sheer amount of firepower you can dish out will keep them at bay.

Now I feel like using that, anyone got 9 trukk to spare? (lol)

Then you get weapons that ignore cover saves.

**The_Savior**

Snikkyd wrote:Flamers are going to wreck trukks? Oh nos!

Have you ever heard of barrage weapons?

**The_Savior**

Waaaaghmaster wrote:
The_Savior wrote:
Snikkyd wrote:Flamers are going to wreck trukks? Oh nos!

Have you ever heard of barrage weapons?

Barrage weapons don't automatically negate a KFF cover save.

They still mess your KFF up.

**The_Savior**

Yeah, well when you got a bunch tanks that say otherwise... yeah.

**The_Savior**

Waaaaghmaster wrote:
The_Savior wrote:Yeah, well when you got a bunch tanks that say otherwise... yeah.

by the same logic, one lascannon doesn't have great odds of taking out a tank, but when you have a bunch of them...yeah.

I'm only saying in numbers, i.e Mechanized guard.

So yeah we're on the same page.

**The_Savior**

The Internet is serious business guys.

But seriously, this is about how many should belong in a certain list, and why.

Not well my army could do this blah, blah, blah. Vassal match now, blah, blah.

I'm using 2 Trukks on my Wagon Spam. Enough said.

**The_Savior**

Davicus wrote:
Snikkyd wrote:I just said I have 9 Warbuggies and 9 Kannons in a 2K list. Thats a lot more than nothing.
You are spewing rubbish. 9 naked rokkit buggies = 315. 6 trukks of boys with ram = 912pts. 3 trukks for the nobs = 120 pts. 9 naked kannon = 180pts. Total about 1527 points. A HQ (say KFF mek) + 3 trukks of a few nobs each that cost less than 500 points? Now, stop trolling... Snikkyd, I welcome opposing views, even if they are weak. But not when you don't even bother (or is plain lazy) to even provide a proper platform for your argument. If that's the case, why bother posting anything in the first place?

Snikkyd wrote:After doing the math more precisely I'm getting an average of 4-5 Trukks per turn. Happy? And please don't bother explaining the math to me.
So you drive 4 trukks of boys into the space wolves line? Really? Go ahead and let them have you for breakfast.

Snikkyd wrote:Look, I don't use that list, I just made it up because I thought it would be interesting to play. I never intended to get in a pointless internet argument over my imaginary army, I was simply saying that I believe it has a chance against almost anyone due to pure target saturation. I has much more than the Trukks. Could I do well? Probably not, since I've never used it, but a skilled player who knows the list well could.
Then until you are the skilled player and can find a way to make mass trukks competitive, don't post mediocre stuff here, hoping anyone will be impressed.

Snikkyd wrote:seeing as I don't use trukks anyway.
Which explains the quality of your contribution.

Until he realizes, everyone is a big guy on the other side of a computer screen.

We pretty much covered all we need to know, and your obnoxiousness isn't helping. But thanks for your imaginary Warhammer lists.

Also, you should see me on Vassal, I'll be happy to show you a thing or two. As long as you agree to hush-hush.

With love,
The_Savior
P.S. Waaagh!

**The_Savior**

Davicus wrote:
The_Savior wrote:Also, you should see me on Vassal, I'll be happy to show you a thing or two. As long as you agree to hush-hush.

Don't empty talk . Post your nick, and date and time of challenge here . I ll be happy if you really are capable of showing me something.

Isn't it obvious... ?

I'm on during 6AM - 2PM (Depending on personal plans.) if not...

10PM - Whenver I want to sleep. (Unless I don't feel like it.)

But answer me this... are you just competitive or a typical nerd? (There is a difference, one means you get exercise.)

**The_Savior**

Davicus wrote:
The_Savior wrote:
Davicus wrote:
The_Savior wrote:Also, you should see me on Vassal, I'll be happy to show you a thing or two. As long as you agree to hush-hush.

Don't empty talk . Post your nick, and date and time of challenge here . I ll be happy if you really are capable of showing me something.

Isn't it obvious... ?

I'm on during 6AM - 2PM (Depending on personal plans.) if not...

10PM - Whenver I want to sleep. (Unless I don't feel like it.)

But answer me this... are you just competitive or a typical nerd? (There is a difference, one means you get exercise.)
I m competitive enough to trash you. Now, you havent gave your nick.

Also, i ll see you in vassal one hour from now.

My nick is my forum name.

However... I said if I had personal plans. Which I do... it's going to sleep.

I'll pretend to care when I'm not tired... have fun.

With love,

The_Savior

P.S. You sound sexy when you talk big. ;D

**The_Savior**

Davicus wrote:lol.

In that case, don't empty talk. Try speaking louder next time after you grow some balls. Till then, you are at best hilarious.
Talk big or not, you are always welcomed to find out .

You realize you can't make text go loud right? Unless I CAPS LOCK...

With love,
The_Savior

P.S. Shame on you coming on to me like that, naughty boy.

ITT: Success.

**The_Savior**

Davicus wrote:
The_Savior wrote:
Davicus wrote:lol.

In that case, don't empty talk. Try speaking louder next time after you grow some balls. Till then, you are at best hilarious.
Talk big or not, you are always welcomed to find out .

You realize you can't make text go loud right? Unless I CAPS LOCK...

ITT: Success.
Try harder using silly comments to hide your ignorance, kid :-)

Hey man, whatever helps you sleep.

You're down to the same level as me.

**The_Savior**

:3

I'm content with my 2 Trukk setup, and I've seen many points on how to compliment them with the wagons.

Remember to play for fun, and not be the guy no one likes because he takes it to seriously.

Thanks everyone.