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**lordofcross**

Quite a lot of people at my local GW play chaos daemons and most of them play these guys for both 40k and fantasy now most guys at the store are quite casual gamers and don't get ticked off by unpainted models etc etc but the one thing that I take issue with is when a daemon player uses.
Lets say a unit of bloodletters 20 strong and 10 of them have square bases and the other ten have yep you guessed it circle bases as I said we're casual gamers so if I make a fuss of it the staff tend to say some bull like he plays a slaanesh army for both 40k and fantasy you don't expect him to get duplicates of everything but its not about duplicates of stuff its about if you want to use the same model for both games don't glue the dude on to a base or at the very least glue him on to one type of base and when you use it for the other game blu tack the other base on to the bottom so its the right base. Anyway rant is done just want to know if any of you agree or disagree with this and why you think this.

**Bookwrack**

Given that the rules for 40 explicitly don't care about which shape base they use, and up until fairly recently quite a few models came with square bases to begin with, I don't see any reason why people would need to waste time blu-tacking anything.

**Mad4Minis**

Whatever gets your goat man. Me, I could care less since the base has little actual effect on the game. Sure, the square ones allow easier unit formation in WHFB but thats about all.

IMO I hate the square bases. I just finished a box of chaos warriors and built them all on round bases. Now I will say I plan on using them for a non GW game, but the base doesnt matter there either.

**puma713**

lordofcross wrote:Quite a lot of people at my local GW play chaos daemons and most of them play these guys for both 40k and fantasy. Now, most guys at the store are quite casual gamers and don't get ticked off by unpainted models, etc., etc. but the one thing that I take issue with is when a daemon player uses. . .let's say a unit of bloodletters 20 strong and 10 of them have square bases and the other ten have (yep you guessed it!) circle bases.

As I said, we're casual gamers so if I make a fuss of it the staff tend to say some bull like, "He plays a slaanesh army for both 40k and fantasy. You don't expect him to get duplicates of everything?!" But it's not about duplicates of stuff; it's about if you want to use the same model for both games, don't glue the dude on to a base or, at the very least, glue him on to one type of base. Then, when you use it for the other game, blu tack the other base on to the bottom so it's the right base.

Anyway, rant is done just want to know if any of you agree or disagree with this and why you think this.

Fixed it for you ^

Whew.

**syanticraven**

It would only bother me if I had to wait 5 minutes for him to organise every time they moved.

**Amaya**

Why doesn't he just magnetize round bases on top of square ones?

**insaniak**

So, to clarify, you're annoyed that he is mixing round and square bases in the one unit? Or that he is using square bases in 40K? Or both?

Why is this a problem?

**AvatarForm**

Im more annoyed when nubs try to cheap by placing units on 20mm bases, when they are intended to be on 25mm according to rules, in order to squeeze more into their front line against yours...

True story, happened at a tournament in Sydney a couple of years back... nearly stomped his minis after I stomped them on the tabletop...

**insaniak**

AvatarForm wrote:True story, happened at a tournament in Sydney a couple of years back... nearly stomped his minis after I stomped them on the tabletop...

Surely just mentioning it to a judge before the game would have been a more mature response?

**GalaxyGames**

lordofcross wrote:Quite a lot of people at my local GW play chaos daemons and most of them play these guys for both 40k and fantasy now most guys at the store are quite casual gamers and don't get ticked off by unpainted models etc etc but the one thing that I take issue with is when a daemon player uses.
Lets say a unit of bloodletters 20 strong and 10 of them have square bases and the other ten have yep you guessed it circle bases as I said we're casual gamers so if I make a fuss of it the staff tend to say some bull like he plays a slaanesh army for both 40k and fantasy you don't expect him to get duplicates of everything but its not about duplicates of stuff its about if you want to use the same model for both games don't glue the dude on to a base or at the very least glue him on to one type of base and when you use it for the other game blu tack the other base on to the bottom so its the right base. Anyway rant is done just want to know if any of you agree or disagree with this and why you think this.

Thats the longest run on sentence i've ever read. Heh

anywho - I personally wouldn't care, its just bases so..... i'm not following what gives?
Bad day? =/

**Tim the Biovore**

To be honest I don't see how the bases are causing you a problem.

**Murray**

I find it annoying as the person is just plain lazy, i mean jeesh - how long does it take to pin a models foot and drill in two bases?

**AvatarForm**

insaniak wrote:
AvatarForm wrote:True story, happened at a tournament in Sydney a couple of years back... nearly stomped his minis after I stomped them on the tabletop...

Surely just mentioning it to a judge before the game would have been a more mature response?

Oh it was... but this kid was 'in' with their crowd.

**insaniak**

Murray wrote:I find it annoying as the person is just plain lazy, i mean jeesh - how long does it take to pin a models foot and drill in two bases?

How long does it take to not do that, and just use the model on a single base?

Square bases make no real difference to the rules of 40K. It's only in recent years that daemons even came with round bases as an option.

**AvatarForm**

insaniak wrote:
Murray wrote:I find it annoying as the person is just plain lazy, i mean jeesh - how long does it take to pin a models foot and drill in two bases?

How long does it take to not do that, and just use the model on a single base?

Square bases make no real difference to the rules of 40K. It's only in recent years that daemons even came with round bases as an option.

Actually, for my Spawn I inserted the circular base into the square base in order to use them for both my Word Bearers and Warriors of Chaos.

It was as simple as drawing an outline and cutting. Then gluing an appropriately size piece of card to the bottom of the square base to stop the round base falling through.

If a player is serious about having a good-looking force, this is no trouble and takes about 10min for my 4 spawn. it all comes down to caring enough.

However, if your opponent does not respect his own minis enough to trouble him/herself to paint or base them appropriately, how can you expect them to respect you or the rules.

I can continue now with ad hominem but you know this type of gamer.

**Ordo Dakka**

I can't believe everyone isn't pissed off by this. I hate it. It's against the rules and they would damn well call you on breaking a rule during the game.

**ArbitorIan**

Yup, rules-wise it's completely legal in 40k. I have a 40k Daemon army on 25mm round bases, but I'm considering using them in WHFB. If I do, though, I'll be investing in some movement trays so that they have the correct frontage.

If your friend just put them on appropriately sized movement trays, surely it wouldn't matter?

Also, GRAMMAR! Jesus, that was a hard paragraph to read.

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Mad4Minis wrote:Me, I could care less since the base has little actual effect on the game

And while I'm on a grammar roll, I believe you 'couldn't care less'.

If you could care less, then you do actually care about base size quite a lot.

**Ordo Dakka**

ArbitorIan wrote:Yup, rules-wise it's completely legal in 40k.

To use a mix of square and circular bases? I don't think so sir. The rule is the base provided I believe, and circular bases are now provided AFAIK.

**4M2A**

I don't see the problem. I would do the same if I played daemons. I don't get why they don't just mount them all on square bases as in WHFB the size does matter (using circle bases works but isn't as easy) and it doesn't really in 40k.

There are lots of ways of making it possible to switch between them but I don't see the point. A lot of them have problems (magnetized models fall over, drilling pin holes doesn't work on all models) whereas using square bases works just fine.

The rules say use the bases provided. Since they come with two types it's up to you which you use.

**Devastator**

yes the OP annoys me with his post

**illuknisaa**

Devastator wrote:yes the OP annoys me with his post

QFT

**daedalus**

Ordo Dakka wrote:
ArbitorIan wrote:Yup, rules-wise it's completely legal in 40k.

To use a mix of square and circular bases? I don't think so sir. The rule is the base provided I believe, and circular bases are now provided AFAIK.

Then I believe you should post about it in YMDC, for you will quickly find that the only stipulation is that a model must be glued to the base that it comes with. Daemons have both round bases and square bases included with them, so you get to pick which one it is. Does it break the game to use two different types? No. It there impact on the game otherwise? Maybe. I've never thought about it that much, but it doesn't change what the rules say.

Devastator wrote:yes the OP annoys me with his post

In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only run-on!

**Ordo Dakka**

A different base means a different distance to cover when trying to assault. I would definitely play against someone using square bases, but it does irk me that they didn't take the time to work out a solution...

**KingCracker**

So youuve got a problem with corners? Or round things? The square bases are pretty much the same size as the round ones so whats the problem? My brothers DP for his CSM army is on its square base(since its a warhammer mini after all) Seriously, no problems.

**Inquisitor Lord Bane**

Ordo Dakka wrote:A different base means a different distance to cover when trying to assault. I would definitely play against someone using square bases, but it does irk me that they didn't take the time to work out a solution...

That distance goes both ways, its not like he is gaining anything over you by using square bases. If your 6 1/4" away from him, hes 6 1/4" away from you. The fractions of an inch lost makes little difference in the end. Yeah, it might stop you from assaulting him one turn, but it could just as easily prevent him from assaulting you. Sure, mixing them looks kinda tacky (unless its a trophy model, then it belongs on a circle base no matter what) but it grants no tactical advantage whatsoever

**nkelsch**

insaniak wrote:
Square bases make no real difference to the rules of 40K.

That's not entirely true. A square base has a wider distance corner-to-corner which can be used in some situations to gain distance, most notably assaulting out of a transport. So a 25mm square base is actually 35.35mm corner to corner and if you deploy the square base so the corner is in the disembark zone, you gain about 10mm extra distance. 40mm squares get even larger differences. (square ogryns disembarking!)

While it has minimal impact on the Deamons codex because the way that codex plays, I am still skeptical of square bases in 40k, when anything that isn't round, people are pivoting for extended distances.

Personally if I was going to do demons, I would make movement trays with round holes or use the LotR bases. Then in fantasy, everything is ranked up like square and in 40k they look 40kish. But I wouldn't hold it against someone who wanted to play fantasy and 40k to use square bases in 40k. "base that it wot came with" rule means they are legal with their square bases.

**Ordo Dakka**

KingCracker wrote:So youuve got a problem with corners? Or round things? The square bases are pretty much the same size as the round ones so whats the problem? My brothers DP for his CSM army is on its square base(since its a warhammer mini after all) Seriously, no problems.

Probably won't make a difference, but it might. And it looks silly.

**daedalus**

Also, the Avatar is on a square base. He's 40k only.

**Che-Vito**

lordofcross wrote:Quite a lot of people at my local GW play chaos daemons and most of them play these guys for both 40k and fantasy now most guys at the store are quite casual gamers and don't get ticked off by unpainted models etc etc but the one thing that I take issue with is when a daemon player uses.
Lets say a unit of bloodletters 20 strong and 10 of them have square bases and the other ten have yep you guessed it circle bases as I said we're casual gamers so if I make a fuss of it the staff tend to say some bull like he plays a slaanesh army for both 40k and fantasy you don't expect him to get duplicates of everything but its not about duplicates of stuff its about if you want to use the same model for both games don't glue the dude on to a base or at the very least glue him on to one type of base and when you use it for the other game blu tack the other base on to the bottom so its the right base. Anyway rant is done just want to know if any of you agree or disagree with this and why you think this.

I think you don't know what you're talking about.

-"Just tacking on another base" in any fashion would be a paint, and probably look ugly.
-the base type doesn't affect the game, very much at least, because they are roughly the same size.
-if your entire issue is "they should all have the same base!", my question in return would be: "why does that matter?"

**Iur_tae_mont**

I'd be more annoyed at the fact that he mixed bases than the fact that he uses Square bases. And only because it looks bad.