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Sorry, just felt like some help Dakkites

Was at my FLGS the other day, painting some IG quietly with my friend who plays Tau. Cue two very loud twelve year olds discussing "how awesome" their armies were and recounting tales of incredible victories.

I knew they occasionally turn up so I decided to ignore them and continue painting, chatting lightly to my friend. Continuing our conversation, we were interrupted as they both appeared next to us, "Wow, you collect Tau! Tau are incredible!" My friend nods and keeps painting. The two boys stare happily for a few seconds then look over at the Basilisk I'm working on.
"Oh no, do you collect Guard?"
I nod.
"But they're guns are s***!"
"Yes, but in numbers they're great."
Imitates silly man, "Look I'm a Guardsman! I die! I'm another! I die!" They both laugh hysterically.
"Have you seen our tanks?"
"Duh! Railguns?"
"6 Leman Russ on the field?"
"With **** armour!" I'm a little riled at this point.
"Show me a Tau vehicle with 14, 13, 11?"
"RAILGUN you ****!"

You get the idea...

Basically, as a standard Guard player, the argument made me feel a bit down. I know Guard have good tanks and overwhelming numbers of men, but I see the kids' points as slightly valid. If anyone feels up to cheering me up, some IG Good and Tau Bad points are welcome. Thank you Dakka

Leman Russes are the business. End of.
Sure, str10 ap1 is appealing, but it still needs a 4+ to do anything to a Russ on the front armour. A battlecannon, on the other hand, is Str8 Versus the front armour of 13 on the Hammerhead - 5+, but you get to roll 2 dice and pick the highest due to it being an ordnance weapon. That, and the Russ can then fire it's hull lascannon. Why? Because it's a Russ, muthafluffer! That's 3+ to do something to the Hammerhead.

Railguns are not the be all and end all of anti-tank firepower. That and Guard can lay the smackdown in a shooting contest, given the relative cheapness of their tanks and artillery.

At least you have an ass load of templates....

Guard have vendettas, Tau don't

/thread

Offer to play a game with him, and blow him out of the table with Manticores.

Since he will also be capitalizing on Battle-suits, gets some Vendettas with melta veterans to instakill them.

On turn 3, put on your poker face and ask "so, you want to play another game after this?"

Oh, add a hydra for skimmer-trolling.

So you got verbally beat up by a 12 year old? They didn't take your lunch money, did they?

Explain to them that while they may be able to pack in 9 Railguns, IG can pack in over *40* lascannons in a 2k game with enough points left over for dozens of infantryman, autocannons, etc.

Also explain to them that you'll typically outnumber them 3-1.

Finally, they have Railguns, IG have Medusa's, Manticores, etc.



In all honesty, Tau are a distant 2nd fiddle to IG in terms of firepower currently, coming from someone with lots of Tau and IG.

Smarteye wrote:So you got verbally beat up by a 12 year old? They didn't take your lunch money, did they?

I too am curious if they took your lunch money.

Why do you care so much what some 12 year-old says about your army of toy soldiers?

More unit options, more minis, updated codex, physic powers, cc units, upgrades in units.....shouldn't we be finding good tau points instead....kinda like shooting fish in a barrel here

Just utterly destroy their heroic perception of the Tau by showing him just how many tanks you can bring to the table and the special rules you have. Kids will be kids I suppose, they will adore whoever does what they do and denounce other people.

However I find it ironic that they're mocking the guard. Tau has got to be one of the most dated armies that's not a 3rd ed codex. And I know, I play Tau on the side. Turning in my cubic Pulse Rifle for a gritty Battlecannon now.

Mention that for every Tau railgun shot stationary a Leman Russ fires if upgraded 2 lascannon 1 battle cannon and maybe another lascannon . Also mention that with those options Tau hammerheads are always out numbered

lordmoon wrote:More unit options, more minis, updated codex, physic powers, cc units, upgrades in units.....shouldn't we be finding good tau points instead....kinda like shooting fish in a barrel here

With a 12 gauge... mounted with a thermal scope.

Just show them the math. Three railguns average 9/4 hits. Against LR armor, that's an average of one penetrating or glancing hit.

Then show them the statistics of an Executioner shooting at ANYTHING IN THEIR ARMY.

Alternatively, just pick up a hundred and fifty dice, and explain that your blob squad is shooting.

Alternatively alternatively, just challenge them to a game and beat the pants off of them.

Kids dont understand math and will probably just say Guard still suck. Challenge them to a game and make chicken noises if they refuse.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Kids dont understand math and will probably just say Guard still suck. Challenge them to a game and make chicken noises if they refuse.

2nd this.

I play tau.

They have there moments....

but i dont have anything ageanst any codex or build. I like 40k.


However, guard probely has many more moments than tau because they are a 5th ed.

Thanks for all the points guys (or gals, who knows?), good argument material for future, if needed. Makes me want to buy another few Russes...

@ Smarteye and Seaward, it happened a week or so ago and my grandfather had died the day before and I felt I needed to chill by going to my FLGS and painting up some models with a friend, get away from a grieving house. No lunch money taken. Event happened, kind of engraved in my memory now and I felt like turning to a certain group of distant friends that may be anonymous but can represent all the GW'verse - Dakka - and they did help. I felt I needed some preparedness for future.

Not yelling at you here guys, just stating facts as they are / were. Thanks to all for examples, good point Happygrunt, made me smile

WhiteBishop wrote:Thanks for all the points guys (or gals, who knows?), good argument material for future, if needed. Makes me want to buy another few Russes...

@ Smarteye and Seaward, it happened a week or so ago and my grandfather had died the day before and I felt I needed to chill by going to my FLGS and painting up some models with a friend, get away from a grieving house. No lunch money taken. Event happened, kind of engraved in my memory now and I felt like turning to a certain group of distant friends that may be anonymous but can represent all the GW'verse - Dakka - and they did help. I felt I needed some preparedness for future.

Not yelling at you here guys, just stating facts as they are / were. Thanks to all for examples, good point Happygrunt, made me smile

I do my best. Sucks to hear about your grandfather. Dont worry man, it gets better. I should know. Grandfather died years ago of cancer. Still sucks.

Ask them if their army physically has so many people in it you can just get rid of 50 of them and bring on another 50 next turn just for kicks and that is barely a fraction of he rest of your army.
And then ask them if they can have 9 tanks.
Then throw your obviously superior codex at them and watch as they disintergrate under it's malevolent stare... yes the IG codex has eyes now.

The whole "I die!" thing actually almost made me laugh for some reason.

Say that the guard are bad-ass with their tanks and can beat the feth out of any vehicale they have. Then, challenge them to a heavy support only battle. Your 9 tanks against their three!

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Kids dont understand math and will probably just say Guard still suck. Challenge them to a game and make chicken noises if they refuse.

Most kids of this ilk would be like "Yeah, gonna crush you."
Then, when they stare down at the ruins of their precious T'au, they can only say "welp, I brought this on myself."
Then you shake hands with them, say "hard luck" and stroll off into the sunset.
This can only be a good idea.

Douhet wrote:Mention that for every Tau railgun shot stationary a Leman Russ fires if upgraded 2 lascannon 1 battle cannon and maybe another lascannon . Also mention that with those options Tau hammerheads are always out numbered

Why is everyone forgetting Tau seeker missiles? And rail guns have awesome range. Also tau infantry can kill tanks with an armor value of eleven with their most basic gun. Sure, imp guard have the numbers, but Tau quality is much better in my opinion.

They are stupid kids. Ignore them. Don't wander into the Game Store and look stupid arguing with twelve year olds about how whose plastic Spaceman can beat up whose. Do it on anonymously Dakka like (ir)regular people.


And people forget Tau Seeker Missles for a good reason that every 7 games I forget and relearn in the 8th game. They are one shot Missle Launchers that take up points better spent elsewhere.

GalacticDefender wrote:

Douhet wrote:Mention that for every Tau railgun shot stationary a Leman Russ fires if upgraded 2 lascannon 1 battle cannon and maybe another lascannon . Also mention that with those options Tau hammerheads are always out numbered

Why is everyone forgetting Tau seeker missiles? And rail guns have awesome range. Also tau infantry can kill tanks with an armor value of eleven with their most basic gun. Sure, imp guard have the numbers, but Tau quality is much better in my opinion.

Yah, but we have variation. IG tanks can be kitted for any battlefield role. And IG infantry can kill tanks with one of their basic weapons aswell, the autocannon.

I mean Tau's infantry most basic weapon, the pulse rifle/carbine. Str. 5. Awesome. (Actually speaking from experience here. One time I killed three of my friends rhinos with nothing but pulse rifles and gun drones.) I know rhinos aren't IG, but it's still a good point.

Really, just play a game, stupidly rush with a 50 man blob, and as they are about to die, use the "Send in the Next Wave" order.
Then explain to him that you can do that 24^7.

I believe he will forfeit at that point, and start an IG army.

Don't forget that the IG acctually have the best chance of killing their T'au tanks in close combat. Don't believe me? Double check the rules regarding assaulting vehicles, specifically the part where it always hits rear armor, then realize that each and everyone of the 50 man blob squad has frag grenades by default i.e. no extra cost. Not everyone excepts it but Frags count as assault grenades and that my friends is a strength 4 hit against a rear armor of 10.

GalacticDefender wrote:I mean Tau's infantry most basic weapon, the pulse rifle/carbine. Str. 5. Awesome. (Actually speaking from experience here. One time I killed three of my friends rhinos with nothing but pulse rifles and gun drones.) I know rhinos aren't IG, but it's still a good point.

IG have nothing thats less that AV12 on the front. Good luck flanking.

EmilCrane wrote:

GalacticDefender wrote:I mean Tau's infantry most basic weapon, the pulse rifle/carbine. Str. 5. Awesome. (Actually speaking from experience here. One time I killed three of my friends rhinos with nothing but pulse rifles and gun drones.) I know rhinos aren't IG, but it's still a good point.

IG have nothing thats less that AV12 on the front. Good luck flanking.

Flanking is pretty easy actually.

GalacticDefender wrote:

EmilCrane wrote:

GalacticDefender wrote:I mean Tau's infantry most basic weapon, the pulse rifle/carbine. Str. 5. Awesome. (Actually speaking from experience here. One time I killed three of my friends rhinos with nothing but pulse rifles and gun drones.) I know rhinos aren't IG, but it's still a good point.

IG have nothing thats less that AV12 on the front. Good luck flanking.

Flanking is pretty easy actually.

Not when you're outnumbered to begin with and facing a castle.