IG- HQ Choices

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**WarOne**

Well...I moved on from one army into another...this time Imperial Guard.

I got the basic troopers and some vehicles- I plan to focus on Tanks (no suprise) supporting Vendettas (2-3) with supporting Veteran Squads (either in Vendettas or Chimeras) and perhaps an Infantry Platoon or 2.

So my hard choice boils down to what to take as the HQ choice for the army.

What have people used and what would you think would be a good fit for this army.

**MinMax**

Polonius has some fantastic advice. A thorough, well-reasoned examination of every single choice in the codex.

That said, I think you'll probably be happiest with the Company Command Squad. If only for the special weapon spam.

**kenshin620**

Hmm I swear we had this topic a week ago. Anyways CCS is probably best bet. Can tailor them to your needs. Lord Commissar is probably the weakest of the bunch since he cant be everywhere unless you really like conscripts since IS can already get commissars.

**Lycaeus Wrex**

CCS is far and away the most efficient choice. A veritable ton of options, access to a Chimera, inexpensive, four special weapons, access to Advisors, whats not to love?

L. Wrex

P.S. I believe you are right kenshin, this same topic (or one very, very similar to it) was discussed last week.

**WarOne**

Hmm...what would be a good build in terms of equipping a CCS...saying I had about 100-150 points allocated to spend on it?

**MinMax**

WarOne wrote:Hmm...what would be a good build in terms of equipping a CCS...saying I had about 100-150 points allocated to spend on it?

Command Squad, with 3 Meltaguns and a Company Standard. Mounted in a Chimera. 150 points on the nose.

**kenshin620**

Or 4 Melta guns if you have enough commissars. Plasma is another popular choice if you have either carapace or medic

**WarOne**

I am looking towards about 1850-2000 points for most games, so perhaps a second squad would be overkill?

**daedalus**

Most everything worth being said about HQ's can be found in Polonius' article. Additionally, check here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/325012.page

**mindfield**

I mostly equip my CCS with three meltas and a flamer, plus chimera to make them more survivable.

**WhiteWolf01**

Sometimes you want to keep your troops choices safe. For instance if you're going mech vet some people put melta-vets in vendettas. But in mech games I've noticed I rarely use the CCS orders since everything is in a can. So, it turns out a suicide HQ with 4 meltas in a Vendetta that can twin-link their meltas is flawless at tank popping. You get to save a 10 man vet squad from doing the job and lose a unit that would otherwise be doing nothing that a vet squad couldn't do in a chimera. Seems tantamount heresy to treat an HQ with such carelessness, but honestly the troops choices for IG are usually more valuable than the HQ depending on your build.

**Ailaros**

daedalus wrote:http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/325012.page

^This.

When you want the best, take the CCS, when you want the cheap, take the rest.

**christianA**

Company command squad with 4 meltaguns in a chimera is very effective for the point cost.

**JSK-Fox**

I love having a fancy pimped out CCS.
So that includes Medi-pack, Plasma Gun, Laspistols, Standard, etc. for quite a few points. But they've demolished quite a few orks.

**ElCheezus**

I've been taking my CCS with 3x Melta as of late. It's enough to get the job done, but doesn't waste points. on the other hand, if I used plasma, I would always use 4.

Primaris has been a choice of mine in the past, and he can do awesome things. However, there's enough anti-psyker out there that we really can't handle. My main opponents for a while were 'Nids and Eldar. Between their two abilities, I was boned if I ever tried to use a power.

**jdjamesdean@mail.com**

I run'em ccs 4 plasma 1plas pistol carapace chimera ml/hf
for 195 points

**Ailaros**

ElCheezus wrote:I've been taking my CCS with 3x Melta as of late. It's enough to get the job done, but doesn't waste points. on the other hand, if I used plasma, I would always use 4.

This.

Especially since I run an astropath, I want to keep the points cost in the CCS itself as low as possible while still being effective.

Were I to do a plasma CCS, I'd definitely go all out with 4 guns and a plasma pistol (because the S.O. can't just kill himself instantly in a single burn). 7 BS4 plasma shots guaranteed in range of "bring it down"? That's basically a dead trygon right there in a single round of shooting with a very low chance of plasma burning.

**Polonius**

The IG HQ choices are of two sorts: the best and the rest. The company command squad is a stupidly effective and effecient choice, and is one of the best units in the game. The rest of the options can best be described as "decent in the proper circumstances."

Being a BS4 unit that can buy four specials, I think the way to use CCSes is pretty straightforward. I've run both melta and plasma, and that comes down mostly to what you need more of.

In a gunline army, there is still something to be said for taking a lascannon for a cheap source of orders. But in a mech or even semi-mech list, I'd recommend rocking specials in a chimera (or valkyrie).

**Da-Rock**

With the Stealth Rule change for ICs the LC is gaining steam somewhat. I personally have had very good gameplay from my Creed + LC setup and HW teams etc.

LC is with 30 man Blob squad - gives all 30 Guardsmen Stealth for 10pts and I can stretch him anywhere on the board to give the Leadership 10 while still attached to Blobsquad.

I think the real questions have to be broken down to List style:

Gunline - I love the CCS with x2 Sniper + Lascannon and base Commander + Camo Cloaks and sitting in cover 12" away from HWTs

Mechanized - I love CCS with x4 Melta (optional double bodyguard and Commander w/ Powerfist if you think they will live leaving the Chimera)

Hybrid - I love CCS + LC. The leadership and Blob squad abilities are great.

You also have to define Creed lists and Straken Lists

**grobbicull**

I am going to be a bit different here and say that I love playing a Lord Commisar. Gives great leadership, a reroll to my mechvet squad, and some much needed combat punch with his fist (my vets are my main assault unit, shotguns). I also use the plasma pistol to increase my firepower at short range.

**Ailaros**

that is true... the lord commissar is there to give rerolls to things that you might otherwise find it hard to give rerolls to.

... I'm looking at you Bone 'Ead...

**Terminus**

A company standard works just as well for re-rolls.

**Ailaros**

Yes, but you've got to chase around whatever else with the standard if you want to give it rerolls, which means that you can't give rerolls to your entire army unless everything's huddled in one little mass.

The LC gives a reroll to any one unit anywhere they are on the board, thus allowing you to give rerolls to things that you might otherwise find it hard to give rerolls to.

Plus, the standard doesn't also give Ld10.

**Terminus**

The cost of a commissar buys you another CCS, if you gear him out, you can buy them a chimera (not that an extra chimera is ever a bad investment), and then you have a 12" radius from the hull.

Why are you using Ogruns in the first place, anyway?

**pchappel**

:-) I guess I spend way too much on my CCS, but I really like the 30 point Master of Ordinance to go with a LC team... The Astropath since I bring a fair amount of things from reservs/flanks (Yes, I like my Sentinels), usually in a Chimera to anchor my line... Yes, topping 200 points easily, but usually worth it for me... The Lord Commissar for the LD 10 bubble to help out the orders to say the HWS's and the Ogres, but only if I have a bunch of extra points :-)

**Tekeino**

I like Primaris Psycher's just a personal thing, but they are in-expensive and useful. They suit my list better considering it contains vets with plas in a chimera.

This way i dont have to buy another chimera!

**ImpGuardPanzies**

I would use creed+ chimera with 2 heavy flamer. Put a heavy weapons squad (an autocannon) And mayby a melta or flamer. If you have rooom for a psycer or MOO take them.

Credd can give one of your tank squads the scout rule and you can try to outflank them. Punishers would be ideal at 20 shots a turn.

The chimera gets the squad around with more mobility and you can still shoot a psycer and heavy weapon and more out from the top hatch.

**Terminus**

Are you trying to screw with people?

A Creed-led squad designed for short-range? Ludicrous.
Punisher? Laughable.

**ComputerGeek01**

Something that I want to try is to fit two CCS into one list. When you consider their base cost compared to what they offer it seems cool on paper. Although it's true that two CCS's kitted out is expensive I've been thinking of grabbing a second one when I start getting my advisors to keep them out of direct combat, and using the other CCS for their special weapons and orders on the front lines.

Specifically for the list the OP mentioned though, i.e. tank heavy lists, this wouldn't be as good since most of the orders it provides will go to waste.

**ImpGuardPanzies**

No im not. he issues 4 orders, you need to keep him by the platoons and the PCS (s). put in the autocannon and the chimera and he stays behing all the troop squads.