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Daemon Prince: wings, MoS, Lash 155
Daemon Prince: wings, MoT, warptime, bolt of change 200

Elite

Possessed Marines: (10x) Icon of Slaanesh 280

Troops

Chaos Space Marines: (10x) champion, PF, Icon of Nurgle, plasma gun 255
Khorne Berzerkers: (10x) champion, PW, melta bombs, Icon 250
Thousand Sons: (9x) doombolt, melta bombs, Icon 264

Heavy

Defiler: ccw, reaper 150
Vindicator: 125
Obliterators: (2x) 150


Spawn: (1x) 40
Summoned Lesser Daemons: (5x) 65
Summoned Lesser Daemons: (5x) 65

This all comes out to be 1999 in total. I"m hoping for some success with this list, but I wanted to see what the Dakka community thought. C&C welcomed and appreciated.

it feels unorthodox, the plagues can be ran smaller for obj grabbing. Remember to max special weapons with them.

I also noticed you plan on footslogging? bad idea for a tourney imo.

1x spawn is just bad

Yeah the spawn is because I didn't Know what to do with the 50 points I had left. Do you have any suggestions on how to improve? I don't have any transports yet.

Get some transports.


(sorry, I know that's not particularly helpful. But it looks like you really need them)

I never told a player that they list is bad, but i'm going to break my slient and say that this list is bad. Here is my list and happy Holiday to you.

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2 Chaos Sorcerer with the mark of Slaanesh w/lash 250
125 each

Troops
284 Plague Marines 7 plasma Melta and a Icon Plague Champion with PF/Combi-Melta
Rhino w/Combi melta
Troops
312 Plague Marines 8 plasma Melta and a Icon Plague Champion with PF/Combi-Melta
Rhino w/Combi melta

312 Khorne Berzerkers
8 and Skull Champion w/PF icon
Rhino Combi-melta

269 Khorne Berzerkers
8 and Skull Champion w/PF icon
Rhino

Heavies
150 Deflier with Reaper Cannon
and CC
3 x 2 Obliterators:

Well, I guess its back to the drawing broard. Thanks to everyone who commented.

Yeah man you just need rhinos. Anything that can ride in a rhino should be in a rhino. It's 35 points that offers mobility and immunity to small arms fire. And you don't have to painstakingly drag all your little troopers 6 inches one at a time XD.

How long until the tournament?

How long before you can realistically pick up some transports? Do you have a wargaming budget where you can buy a couple of Rhinos a week, or a couple a month, or do you have to wait to get them for Christmas?

If you can't pick up Rhinos quickly/easily, we can make suggestions based on the models you have right now, especially if the tournament is very soon.

Could you tell us what, if any, other models you have?

Well, I have 2 rhinos and a razorback for my black templar army that I could probably use if it wouldn't be an issue with the TO. As for the rest of the Chaos army, I have a lord on a jugger, Typhus, one more obliterator, summoned greater daemon, and one more spawn. Thats in addition to whats in that list. The tournament is Dec. 5th. so I have 2 weeks to figure this out.

I like the list because it is unorthodox. If you can't get transports in time for the tournament then I suggest a slight change in your HS slots.

Take 3 groups of 2 Oblits, or Oblits+2 Vindis, or Oblits+2Defilers. The lone defiler and Vindi don't compliment each other that well imo. I say try the list out a few times then see about taking it to the tournament.

It would help to know a little more about the models you have in the collection.

Hmm. Not bad. I can do more with that.

Are you all painted? Does the army have to be painted for the tournament?

Is the Razor's top/turret glued in, or could you easily swap it back into being a Rhino again?

The turret is not glued in on the razor, so it could be swaped. I don't think the army has to be painted for the tournament. They didn't specify. Everything is painted, but I wouldn't be oppossed to re-painting if it would be in my best interest.

What color are your regular Chaos Space Marines painted? Do you have any more regular CSM? Like guys with other special weapons, or heavy weapons?

You could paint/re-paint them as Black Templars recently gone traitor. If you look in the codex I believe they show an example of these; particularly Huron's men, who wear their old chapter colors with red Xs over their shoulder pads/chests.

I have a Dark Angels army which I've expanded into a Fallen Angels army as well; I have some dedicated Chaos units in it, but I also use the same Rhinos and many of the same basic Marine models. I get greater flexibility this way. You may be able to do something similar. If you did, you could possibly also mix in some of your templars. Just a thought. It may or may not work, depending on your paint schemes and whether you like the idea.

The regular CSM are black and green so they could probably be used as Plauge marines if need be. I'm sure I have some plasma guns, meltas and flamers laying around, but I'm lacking in heavy weapons. The daemon princes could probably will any roll except nurgle they way they are painted as well.

You forgot to list like 500 points.

Smitty0305 wrote:You forgot to list like 500 points.

What do you mean?

Sounding good! While it's kind of cliched, Plague Marines are really good and a list with a bunch of them, and the special weapons, could be quite effective.

How about this:

Daemon Prince: wings, MoS, Lash 155
Daemon Prince: wings, MoT, warptime, bolt of change 200

7 Plague Marines, 2x melta, icon, champ w/fist: 226
Rhino = 35
7 Plague Marines, 2x melta, icon, champ w/fist: 226
Rhino = 35
10 Khorne Berzerkers, champ w/PW, melta bombs, 245
Rhino = 35
Thousand Sons: (9x) doombolt, melta bombs, Icon 264
Summoned Lesser Daemons: (5x) 65
Summoned Lesser Daemons: (5x) 65

Obliterators: (2x) 150
Obliterators: (2x) 150
Vindicator, daemonic possession: 145

1996

You've got three reasonably strong squads, the Vindicator and the princes going forward at 12"/turn, and the Thousand Sons and Oblits holding your backfield, the oblits giving long-range fire support. Of course, against some foes you may want to deep strike the Oblits, bringing their melta weapons into play. The lessers summon wherever needed to hold onto an objective.

I like to deploy my Slaanesh prince behind my Vindicator to get a cover save. The Tzeentch prince has a 4+ invulnerable so doesn't need it.

The Lash prince combines really well with the vindicator and the oblits; bunching enemies up to suffer maximum damage from plasmacannons and the demolisher cannon. If you're deep striking the Oblits, they can do remarkable damage to a squad with their twin-linked flamers as well.

As so many said, TRANSPORTS! I would rally consider swapping berzerkers for 10 man plague marine. Dont go to the trouble of a huge repaint, just use the rhino as it is. You have full right to do so and if anyone annoys you with saying "oh you cant use that!" just say they are recent renegades or why can one paint berzerkers red and everyone else their own color?


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As so many said, TRANSPORTS! I would rally consider swapping berzerkers for 10 man plague marine. Dont go to the trouble of a huge repaint, just use the rhino as it is. You have full right to do so and if anyone annoys you with saying "oh you cant use that!" just say they are recent renegades or why can one paint berzerkers red and everyone else their own color?

Thanks for all the advice. I will have to see if I can get my hands on another obliterater and some plauge marines. If I can't are there any other options?

mytimeprez wrote:hq

Daemon Prince: wings, MoS, Lash 155
Daemon Prince: wings, MoT, warptime, bolt of change 200

Elite

Possessed Marines: (10x) Icon of Slaanesh 280

Troops

Chaos Space Marines: (10x) champion, PF, Icon of Nurgle, plasma gun 255
Khorne Berzerkers: (10x) champion, PW, melta bombs, Icon 250
Thousand Sons: (9x) doombolt, melta bombs, Icon 264

Heavy

Defiler: ccw, reaper 150
Vindicator: 125
Obliterators: (2x) 150


Spawn: (1x) 40
Summoned Lesser Daemons: (5x) 65
Summoned Lesser Daemons: (5x) 65

This all comes out to be 1999 in total. I"m hoping for some success with this list, but I wanted to see what the Dakka community thought. C&C welcomed and appreciated.

summoned lesser daemons and possesed are a complete waste of time. also add plague marines in their place

Ah, you said one more Oblit; my mistake. Okay, how about this?

Daemon Prince: wings, MoS, Lash: 155
Daemon Prince: wings, MoT, warptime, bolt of change: 200
Summoned Greater Daemon: 100

8 Plague Marines, 2x melta, icon, champ w/fist: 249
Rhino = 35
5 Plague Marines, 2x plasmagun, champ, icon: 165
Rhino = 35
10 Khorne Berzerkers, icon, champ w/PW, melta bombs, 250
Rhino = 35
6 Thousand Sons, Doombolt, Icon: 190
5 Summoned Lesser Daemons: 65

3 Obliterators: 225
Defiler: 150
Vindicator, Daemonic Possession: 145

1999

The greater summons off the 5-man plague squad; that unit mostly stays in the tank and shoots their plasma guns, while the other plagues, berserks, Defiler and big daemons assault. The defiler should basically be Fleeting up the field to assult too, unless there's some particularly good target for the battlecannon.

Thousand Sons & small squad of LDs hold objectives on your half of the table. Oblits fire support or DS. Vindi threatens the center of the table, tries to blow up land raiders, monoliths, and other hard armor targets, or annihilate squads out of cover.

That seems really do-able. I will just have to sub in the rhinos and a couple marines. Thanks for all your help. I'm going to try to play test it soon.

You're welcome. It's not a killer list, by any means. You may run into more-optimized lists which shoot you to pieces, and beware of thunder hammer & storm shield terminators; your army is not great at killing them; though lash can help you delay their impact, or bunch them up for obliterator plasmacannons.

summoned lesser daemons and possesed are a complete waste of time. also add plague marines in their place

I had two squads of 5 LDs in the list I used to win a 5-round tourment this last weekend. They don't do much other than hold objectives; but they sure do that well, as long as the rest of your army is between them and anything that could assault them. Remember to place objectives in cover when you can, and remember that daemons can go to ground; a 3+ cover save really makes them more durable.

Mannahnin wrote:Sounding good! While it's kind of cliched, Plague Marines are really good and a list with a bunch of them, and the special weapons, could be quite effective.

How about this:

Daemon Prince: wings, MoS, Lash 155
Daemon Prince: wings, MoT, warptime, bolt of change 200

7 Plague Marines, 2x melta, icon, champ w/fist: 226
Rhino = 35
7 Plague Marines, 2x melta, icon, champ w/fist: 226
Rhino = 35
10 Khorne Berzerkers, champ w/PW, melta bombs, 245
Rhino = 35
Thousand Sons: (9x) doombolt, melta bombs, Icon 264
Summoned Lesser Daemons: (5x) 65
Summoned Lesser Daemons: (5x) 65

Obliterators: (2x) 150
Obliterators: (2x) 150
Vindicator, daemonic possession: 145

1996

You've got three reasonably strong squads, the Vindicator and the princes going forward at 12"/turn, and the Thousand Sons and Oblits holding your backfield, the oblits giving long-range fire support. Of course, against some foes you may want to deep strike the Oblits, bringing their melta weapons into play. The lessers summon wherever needed to hold onto an objective.

I like to deploy my Slaanesh prince behind my Vindicator to get a cover save. The Tzeentch prince has a 4+ invulnerable so doesn't need it.

The Lash prince combines really well with the vindicator and the oblits; bunching enemies up to suffer maximum damage from plasmacannons and the demolisher cannon. If you're deep striking the Oblits, they can do remarkable damage to a squad with their twin-linked flamers as well.

This is pretty good advice, I would go with that. If it isn't an issue with the TO and there aren't painting scores for the tournament then i would suggest not repainting the units, it seems like unnecessary work, unless you plan on CSMs becoming your #1 army or you don't plan on using your Templars again.

I think....It looks great.. but a few things:

Drop that spawn for another plasma gun on the plague marines.

Use whatever points you have left over to give that skull champion a powerfist, rather than a power weapon.

That's about it. Looks really good.

Samus_aran115 wrote:I think....It looks great.. but a few things:

Drop that spawn for another plasma gun on the plague marines.

Use whatever points you have left over to give that skull champion a powerfist, rather than a power weapon.

That's about it. Looks really good.

Is that on the original list or one of the suggested lists? Thanks for the imput.

mytimeprez wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:I think....It looks great.. but a few things:

Drop that spawn for another plasma gun on the plague marines.

Use whatever points you have left over to give that skull champion a powerfist, rather than a power weapon.

That's about it. Looks really good.

Is that on the original list or one of the suggested lists? Thanks for the imput.

The original....Sorry, I dodn't read the other pne

Normally I swear by the Fist on the Skull Champion too, but I've heard a lot of good things about the power weapon; getting another attack and still S5 on the charge is nasty. This list also has the plagues with a Fist and the three big daemons going forward, which gives you multiple things capable of busting tanks in HtH.

Not that the fist is a BAD idea; it's just another 10pts and may not be necessary.

I can see both sides of that on the powerfisf over power weapon.

Are possessed marines as bad as other people are making them out to be?

They're really overpriced, and can't get any special weapons or a PW or Fist for the champ. The poor chumps don't even come with grenades, so they strike last going into terrain.

If one were really desperate to use them, they could be used as a Greater Daemon delivery system, but they're still just not very good for the price you pay. Better to take a squad of 5 CSM with a disposable champ and a meltagun in a rhino if you want to deliver a GD (or the Plague squad I recommended). Substantially cheaper and a legitimate threat to pop a vehicle or two as well.

If they had given them grenades like everyone else, allowed the champ some weapon options, and let you to roll on their chart BEFORE deploying them, you might see people fielding them.