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I'm going to put a great test here. Can orks really loot ANYTHING?

I have in my mind a weird idea after watching again and again Looted carnifex, so i was wondering, can orks loot daemon princes?

I ask this because i have two convertion ideas: one is a looted daemon prince all orkizied, the other is an ork punching a daemon prince so hard that he knocks him/her/it down.

So, can you awnser me that question?

No. They can loot non-Necron vehicles and wargear, and can loot civilians (i.e. slaves). That's it.

The closest you could get to a looted Daemon Prince is having a Blood Axe or Deathskull warboss dressing up as one.

AlexHolker wrote:No. They can loot non-Necron...

Uhh...

Warnolo wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:No. They can loot non-Necron...

Uhh...

Awesome.

Warnolo wrote:

AlexHolker wrote:No. They can loot non-Necron...

Uhh...

Necrons either self repair or teleport out. Neither is conductive to looting.

Back to the topic, does that mean they can't loot anything? :(

Do the daemon princes dissapear when they die?

Didnt Orkz used to be able to loot ANY Heavy Support Choice from ANY codex?

I played against an Ork player running with a converted (i kid you not) "Looted" carnifex, he said he used to be able to play it with some crazy rules Orkz had in previous editions, but now its just a really awesome warboss

Isn't the issue that DP's are self-aware, sentient beings, whereas 'Fexs are just REALLY angry bugs??

Anidem wrote:Didnt Orkz used to be able to loot ANY Heavy Support Choice from ANY codex?

No, never.

Son_Of _Deddog wrote:Isn't the issue that DP's are self-aware, sentient beings, whereas 'Fexs are just REALLY angry bugs??

Yes. You can't loot either, because they are not mere objects. They are living things that will try to kill the Orks, and keep on trying until someone is dead.

Can't loot sentient beings except for slaves (I think).

Aw... that is a big let down... but well, is understandable.

So, orks can look anything BUT living things and necron vehicles? like what?

Orks can loot Necron equiptment under the right circumstances just like anyone can (hence why the Imperium has a C'tan Phase Sword). What was said before was correct that should a Necron unit be damaged it and it's gear will be phased out and teleported to a facility for it to be repaired (most likely the closest Tomb World). But if the Orks themselves actually managed to beat Necrons at one of these facilities then the Necrons won't have any place to phase out to and then are just scrap for the looting. It's not like their phase signal just switchs to the next location beings as differant legions are commanded by differant Necron Lords who may serve a differant C'tan then those of the next location.

As far as looting a DP no that woulden't happen. When Orks loot things they're usually vehicles, weapons and such things. They do take slaves but those are usually perminantly physical beings that can be frightened or beaten into submission. When a DP is beaten it just dosen't get weaker and trembles it is sent back to the Warp, and since it's a daemon and hence immortal it really dosen't have to worry about fear anymore (though it knows the emotion from its time as a mortal). I've seen the looted carnifex you refered to and while it's a very entertaining prospect (Orks trying to break in a carnifex, it's a Tyranid Rodeo of rampaging death ) and a cool conversion it isn't very realistic in regards to the fluff.

Now while looting a DP or having one as a slave isn't fluffy you could still make a model/diorama of a Warboss trouncing a DP. Or if you wanted a DP to lead an Ork force (Apocalypse) there are possibilities. Codex Daemon Hunters describes a scenario where Orks worship an Icon of Nurgle believing that it's an idol of Gork (or Mork) and so Nurgle blesses and supports his newest "children", this could probably be applied to the other gods and you woulden't have to make your Orks look chaosy. Another idea is to represent the DP as a avatar of Mork (or Gork), I came up with a concept for this while ago. The idea was that the psychic build up of the Ork horde would accumulate in a Wierd Boy who would be possesed by the spirit of one of the Ork gods. This would turn him into a truely huge Ork (I was going to use a Minotaur body with an Ork head) of primal green fury with glowing eyes that shoot green fire etc. You could do something like this if you wanted.

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:*A lot of really good and interesting advices.*

Thanks Imbad.

What i have in mind is an army of Heroic orks (don't have the space marines the angry marines and the Pretty marines?) and i want my minis doing heroic things like protecting children, rip off tiranid arms and punch demons in the face.

For now i have the idea of the sunset western heroes squad. You know, orks wearing hats, trenchcoats, ponchos, sombreros and futuristics revolvers.

LoL Loot yourself a juggernaught and make it look like a bull. Yee-haw!

Mukkin'About wrote:LoL Loot yourself a juggernaught and make it look like a bull. Yee-haw!

You know what? thats a great idea!

Of course Orks can loot sentient beings!

You just need a Dok working with the Mek. First, lobotomy. Then tack on weapons, armor, and a saddle.

BeRzErKeR wrote:Of course Orks can loot sentient beings!

You just need a Dok working with the Mek. First, lobotomy. Then tack on weapons, armor, and a saddle.

So can i put weels to a daemon prince, a cannon in his mouth and a nuclear reactor in his rectum?

Warnolo wrote:

BeRzErKeR wrote:Of course Orks can loot sentient beings!

You just need a Dok working with the Mek. First, lobotomy. Then tack on weapons, armor, and a saddle.

So can i put weels to a daemon prince, a cannon in his mouth and a nuclear reactor in his rectum?

real question here is: why not?

Warnolo wrote:

So can i put weels to a daemon prince, a cannon in his mouth and a nuclear reactor in his rectum?

That sounds like a WONDERFUL looted wagon to me.

Warnolo wrote:

Warboss Imbad Ironskull wrote:*A lot of really good and interesting advices.*

Thanks Imbad.

What i have in mind is an army of Heroic orks (don't have the space marines the angry marines and the Pretty marines?) and i want my minis doing heroic things like protecting children, rip off tiranid arms and punch demons in the face.

For now i have the idea of the sunset western heroes squad. You know, orks wearing hats, trenchcoats, ponchos, sombreros and futuristics revolvers.

I don't remember saying that?

Warnolo wrote:Back to the topic, does that mean they can't loot anything? :(

Do the daemon princes dissapear when they die?

Daemon princes are immortal. They don't really "die" when they "die" in battle. They probably just leave the battle and go back into hiding.

But anyway, I don't think so

Daemons die and warp back into, well, the warp! So, nothing to loot. Maybe Grey Knights can kill them out right but Im not sure. The fluff on Daemons is broken IMO. If you cant actually kill a deamon then they will eventually rule the galaxy. Even if it takes another 40k years.

You could have a looted DP but use rules for something else. As said, a warboss.

You can't kill Daemons they just go back to te warp where it is apparently possible to kill them by ripping teir 'essence' apart (Not to sure on that).
But Daemons can only appear in a rift or where the space between the materium and the immaterium is thin.
Rifts can be closed so this goes a lon way to negating some of the damage that can be caused by daemons.

I think daemon princes are a little more complicated than regular daemons They're far too rare to be simply 'killed'....I can imagine the daemon that possesses the marine would just return to their patron diety and wait until some other worthy CSM comes around.

Look at doombreed! He's even older than the emperor! I'm sure he's been 'killed' before, but he obviously just keeps coming back!

It's simple from my perspective of fluff, once the DP is "killed" his soul flees back to the warp, leaving his material form (or corpse) on the field. And as explained above, have a Dok at it, put a grot in its head for a brain transplant, give it all sorts of robotic limbs, gubbinz, etc., and there you have a looted prince ready to use as a Kan, Dread, Warboss, Big Mek, Vehicle proxy

In "Freebooterz" there were Ork Chaos Champions, no reason why one of them couldn't become a Daemon Prince. Mostly they followed Khorne or Nurgle, but Tzeentch or Slaanesh Champions weren't unheard of...

I don't believe so,but it would make a really kickin conversion.

Warnolo wrote:
So can i put weels to a daemon prince, a cannon in his mouth and a nuclear reactor in his rectum?

"Rectum? Naaah, we just kustomized 'im a bit, boss!"

Anidem wrote:Didnt Orkz used to be able to loot ANY Heavy Support Choice from ANY codex?

I played against an Ork player running with a converted (i kid you not) "Looted" carnifex, he said he used to be able to play it with some crazy rules Orkz had in previous editions, but now its just a really awesome warboss

In the old codex, they were allowed any heavy support vehicle. I dont think the Fex counted =x.

ChiliPowderKeg wrote:It's simple from my perspective of fluff, once the DP is "killed" his soul flees back to the warp, leaving his material form (or corpse) on the field. And as explained above, have a Dok at it, put a grot in its head for a brain transplant, give it all sorts of robotic limbs, gubbinz, etc., and there you have a looted prince ready to use as a Kan, Dread, Warboss, Big Mek, Vehicle proxy

When a Daemon Prince goes poof, he takes his body with him. He's not a being of the material world anymore. However a Daemon Prince Ork in service of Khorne would be very badass.

Check dakka's gallery. I've seen some real cool pics of someones "looted" carnifex.

However, a demon prince would be much harder to domesticate/lobotomize, as they are both much more intelligent, and we don't even know if they even HAVE a brain/organs (would something that is based in the warp have organs? Could the chaos powers(evil filth) create a warrior in our plane that didn't need such mortal instruments?)