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Big noob question.... in an non apocolipic game, can ig use Elysian drop troops, kireg, and tallahran. JUst like you can use catchan and cadian in a game? Or does it have to be apoc? And Catchan dont get any extra benifits do they? Like all elysians can deep strike, almost all desert raiders and scout. OR is catchan just a different look?

catachan have no benefits (apart from they are less boring) cadian and catachan aren't the only 2 IG armies- there are also steel legion, tallarn, voyostran, ect. No, you do not have to be in apoc. to play DKoK. You just need the opponent's permission (which they will probably give).

If you're just fielding them as normal Imperial Guardsmen, then you dont even need your opponent's permission.

Also, no. Catachans are just a variant of the Imperial Guard army. It's like the superficial differences of a White Scar and an Ultramarine if you dont take Khan. Gameplay wise they're the same.

ImpGuardPanzies wrote:Big noob question.... in an non apocolipic game, can ig use Elysian drop troops, kireg, and tallahran. JUst like you can use catchan and cadian in a game? Or does it have to be apoc? And Catchan dont get any extra benifits do they? Like all elysians can deep strike, almost all desert raiders and scout. OR is catchan just a different look?

There are no special rules connected to the models - if you want to use Elysian, Catachan, Kreig, whatever models in a codex guard army, that's fine.

The Elysian army list (from IA8) has all infantry deep striking but it has no tanks. Units from this list cannot be mixed into a normal list (so you can't just take a squad of Elysian models in your army and expect them to have special rules)

The current guard army lists are:
Regular Codex
Elysian Drop list (IA8) - deep striking infantry and sentinels, valks as dedicated transports but no tanks or artillery, no LC or AC HWTs and nerfed CCS/PCS
Death Korp Seige list (downloadable) - lots of artillery, lots of heavy weapons. No chimeras.
Armoured Battlegroup (downloadable) - can take russes as troops but they're not scoring. No veterans, no infantry platoons, just infantry squads in chimeras.
Renegades and Heretics (downloadable) - Odd list with a bit of everything. No vets but you do get chaos space marines, mutated ogryns, rogue psykers and other weirdness

The IG codex is by far the best army list but some of the others are interesting.

IA actually does not require opponents permission to field, but it is polite to ask if you can use them as the units they actually represent.

Ok. Thanks. If anything ill be using Elysia or Talarn. Being one can deepstrike. Or if i use tallran they can almost all scout (using mostly riders).

But i think ill stick with the main codex. Massing blob squads, vendettas and a few LRBT.

ImpGuardPanzies wrote:Ok. Thanks. If anything ill be using Elysia or Talarn. Being one can deepstrike. Or if i use tallran they can almost all scout (using mostly riders).

But i think ill stick with the main codex. Massing blob squads, vendettas and a few LRBT.

If you want to use the Elysian rules you'll need to use the army list from IA8.
There isn't a special army list for the tallarns at the moment.

ImpGuardPanzies wrote:Ok. Thanks. If anything ill be using Elysia or Talarn. Being one can deepstrike. Or if i use tallran they can almost all scout (using mostly riders).

But i think ill stick with the main codex. Massing blob squads, vendettas and a few LRBT.

The only way to make a tallarn list different from a nomral guard list is using Al'Rahem. Where are you getting that they can take rough riders as troops?

Im not. Im sayying i owuld use three squads of riders. (theres are better in ways, and worse in others compared to normal ig riders) And i would have minimul troop and hq would be rider.

What, three units of Krieg riders? Gorgeous models, but really expensive, especially for such an overall gakky unit choice. Plus they are quite large so difficult to hide.

No no, I'm confused. What army list are you using? If you're going Codex: IG, then there is only type of rider. DKoK Death Riders are unique to the DKoK Army, and are unable to be fielded in a normal Codex: IG army.

And there are no Tallarn Army lists....there are a few Tallarn dino rider models from FW, but those are just regular Rough Riders.

I'm really lost as to what you're saying here, IGPanzies...

I wish the current codex allowed Armored Company or Atillery Regiment. >.<

TBH, the Codex does armoured company better than the FW list. You might be able to take russes as troops but they aren't scoring. How many russes are you going to take in such a list? - 9 is 1350 minimum.

Vet squads are more than worth having to take 3-vehicle squadrons.

Scott-S6 wrote:TBH, the Codex does armoured company better than the FW list. You might be able to take russes as troops but they aren't scoring. How many russes are you going to take in such a list? - 9 is 1350 minimum.

Vet squads are more than worth having to take 3-vehicle squadrons.

Plus you can always mount your HQ in a chimera and differentiate as the command vehicle with a master vox mast and extra embellishments with 2 vets squads in chimeras. Voilà you have the core of an armoured column.

Lexx wrote:

Scott-S6 wrote:TBH, the Codex does armoured company better than the FW list. You might be able to take russes as troops but they aren't scoring. How many russes are you going to take in such a list? - 9 is 1350 minimum.

Vet squads are more than worth having to take 3-vehicle squadrons.

Plus you can always mount your HQ in a chimera and differentiate as the command vehicle with a master vox mast and extra embellishments with 2 vets squads in chimeras. Voilà you have the core of an armoured column.

I want my autocannon chimeras. <.<

You don't need to play armoured battlegroup to have AC chimeras - that's an option available to codex chimera's as well (if you're using IA)

"You don't need opponent's permission to play IG- you do for DKoK"
Well- You DO need opponent's permission to field IG. (s)he could just refuse to play on the grounds that (s)he doesn't like IG. If you spend £35 per squad of DKoK and the opponent refuses to let you play them, they're just being a jerk.

I found info an Tallaran in imperial armour volume three. If you


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and go to page 276. I promise you it has info on Tallaran. It got a basic showing of troop, pcs, and riders. That's pretty much it. but this is where i get my idea that the tallarn can basically start the game with an unfair advantage. Their troops and pcs may infiltrate if permitted......riders get expensive but i think their a little more worth it. (Supposing that you have extra pts to blow.....)

a) That's technically illegal.
b) I do believe the Tallarn were updated in IA7, or whichever one the Taros campaign was in.

Even then, they're no different from the DKoK or Elysians. You need your opponents permision to play that army, and should probably explain how they're different from base IG.

ImpGuardPanzies wrote:I found info an Tallaran in imperial armour volume three.

IA3 is Taros. The page you're referring to is an add-on for the 3rd ed IG codex.

I also suggest you edit your post - the mods seriously frown on anything regarding pirated IP.

Ok so i get permission. fine with me. Im checking IA7 now or w.e has taros

IA3 is the only one with tallarns. That sheet is for a codex that is no longer valid though. For example the light infantry bonus is a doctrine - that doctrine no longer exists (none of the doctrines exist)

Well that put a damper on my day. They should update that crap and come out with new IA's no? mayby some new units. This game has a lot of potential. If you think about it their playing their cards right. (and expensive.)

Most of them have been updated.
IA1 and IA2 are completely re-vamped (and downloadable)
The Tau stuff in IA3 is still current (no new codex yet!)
The nid stuff in IA4 is nearly all in the new codex and the Elysian list has been updated in IA8
The kreig and renegade lists have been updated (and downloadable)

Unfortunately, the Tallarn list you want is pretty much the only one that hasn't been updated.... I guess no-one bought the £16 each tallarn roughriders.

downloadable IA 1 and 2?! Where?!

I found this update, http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/i/IA1update28AUG.pdf , but could not find the whole updated IA 1 or 2; and only found multiple illegal copies of the old ones
Anyone know were they are?

General Seric wrote:I found this update, http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/i/IA1update28AUG.pdf , but could not find the whole updated IA 1 or 2; and only found multiple illegal copies of the old ones
Anyone know were they are?

That's it, the forgeworld down loadable content has all the rules (apart from some in the relevant codex) required to play these units. You have to buy the book for the fluff and the oh so pretty pictures that foregeworld does (seriously, I own IA 5 and I love that book!)

wizard12 wrote:

General Seric wrote:I found this update, http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/i/IA1update28AUG.pdf , but could not find the whole updated IA 1 or 2; and only found multiple illegal copies of the old ones
Anyone know were they are?

That's it, the forgeworld down loadable content has all the rules (apart from some in the relevant codex) required to play these units. You have to buy the book for the fluff and the oh so pretty pictures that foregeworld does (seriously, I own IA 5 and I love that book!)

Ok good, I was not sure if everything needed to play the list was there, but now I see it is. I'll have to try it out.

I just love how the IA books read like an actual history book on the wars being fought. Seriously, that and the the flat out beautiful pictures makes those books worth every penny to me.

shrike wrote:catachan have no benefits (apart from they are less boring) cadian and catachan aren't the only 2 IG armies- there are also steel legion, tallarn, voyostran, ect. No, you do not have to be in apoc. to play DKoK. You just need the opponent's permission (which they will probably give).

Well not if you just count DKOK or something like that as regular guardsmen.