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2011/03/11 02:09:01
Subject: France Recognizes Rebels As New Government of Libya
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
University of St. Andrews
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This just in. The BBC reports that France has officially recognized the rebel government in Benghazi as the 'legitimate government of Libya.'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12699183
BBC wrote:France has become the first country to recognise the Libyan rebel leadership, the National Libyan Council (NLC), as the country's legitimate government.
But other members of the European Union held back, with a spokesman for the EU's foreign affairs chief warning against "rushing" into decisions.
In another development, the Gaddafi government said a captured Dutch helicopter crew was being handed over.
Nato chiefs have also been meeting in Brussels to discuss Libya.
Separately, a search was under way in Libya for a missing reporter for the UK's Guardian newspaper, Ghaith Abdul-Ahad.
The award-winning Iraqi journalist entered the country from Tunisia and was last in touch with the paper through a third party on Sunday, when he was on the outskirts of Zawiya, which saw heavy fighting in recent days.
'Unilateral rush'
The office of French President Nicolas Sarkozy said Paris regarded the NLC as Libya's "legitimate representative".
Mustafa Gheriani, a representative for the rebels in their eastern stronghold of Benghazi, said he expected other EU members to follow suit.
But a spokesman for the EU foreign affairs chief, Baroness Ashton, said: "We cannot unilaterally rush into recognising groups."
The foreign ministers of Italy and Spain emphasised the need for the EU to act with one voice.
"Italy wants a European decision that everyone shares unanimously because that's how we act credibly," Italy's Franco Frattini said.
Spain's Trinidad Jimenez said: "The possibility of this recognition must be the result of agreement among all of the countries of the European Union."
President Sarkozy's decision did find support in the European Parliament where MEPs adopted a resolution calling on the EU as a whole to recognise formally Libya's opposition as the only legitimate authority.
After meeting Nato defence ministers in Brussels, Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said the alliance planned to move more ships to the Mediterranean but more discussion was needed on a possible no-fly zone.
"We considered... initial options regarding a possible no-fly zone in case Nato were to receive a clear UN mandate," he said.
"Ministers agreed that further planning will be required."
Dutch captives
Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, the Libyan leader's most prominent son, said the three-strong crew of a Dutch navy helicopter who were captured on 27 February during a botched evacuation mission near Sirte would be released but their helicopter would stay in Libya.
"Today we are going to hand over the Dutch soldiers to the Maltese and Greeks," he told Reuters news agency on Thursday.
"We told them, don't come back again without our permission. We captured the first Nato soldiers, we are sending them back home. But we are still keeping their helicopter."
Dutch defence and foreign ministry officials could not immediately comment.
Over the past few days, top officials from the Dutch government travelled to the Mediterranean and held secret negotiations with Col Gaddafi's government on freeing the crew, Radio Netherlands Worldwide reports.
The Dutch ambassador to Libya recently visited the crew and reported that they were in good condition.
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2011/03/11 02:26:52
Subject: France Recognizes Rebels As New Government of Libya
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Rogue Daemonhunter fueled by Chaos
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If they wake Lafayette up, Gadhaffi will need to really be scared.
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2011/03/11 02:32:45
Subject: France Recognizes Rebels As New Government of Libya
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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They're keeping the helicopter? Why?
"You can go now."
"Can we have our helicopter?"
"No. Is mine now. Thank you for present. Bye-bye."
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Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
Excerpt from "Seeress of Kell", Book Five of The Malloreon series by David Eddings.
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2011/03/11 03:15:52
Subject: Re:France Recognizes Rebels As New Government of Libya
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Druid Warder
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why do i get the feeling that France "Leeroy Jenkins"'d that decision...
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Hey, I just met you,
and this is crazy,
but I'm a demon,
possess you, maybe?
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2011/03/11 04:44:58
Subject: France Recognizes Rebels As New Government of Libya
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
In your base, ignoring your logic.
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Damn it France, if they start another Vietnam so help me...
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2011/03/11 07:39:39
Subject: Re:France Recognizes Rebels As New Government of Libya
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)
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Bakerofish wrote:why do i get the feeling that France "Leeroy Jenkins"'d that decision...
Hehehe. Though that would imply the rest of Europe actually had some sort of plan in place.
halonachos wrote:Damn it France, if they start another Vietnam so help me...
Hope this was a joke and not a reflection on your education.
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Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
"Good game guys, now lets hit the showers" 
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2011/03/11 07:48:24
Subject: Re:France Recognizes Rebels As New Government of Libya
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Druid Warder
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hasnt Europes plan always been:
"lets see what they do and jump in when its over"?
at least ever since the "take over the world" plan didnt pan out
i kid i kid...
but really though, kinda bad form for a "union" if one member keeps grandstanding like that.
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Hey, I just met you,
and this is crazy,
but I'm a demon,
possess you, maybe?
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2011/03/11 07:49:30
Subject: Re:France Recognizes Rebels As New Government of Libya
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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Bakerofish wrote:hasnt Europes plan always been:
"lets see what they do and jump in when its over"?
at least ever since the "take over the world" plan didnt pan out
i kid i kid...
but really though, kinda bad form for a "union" if one member keeps grandstanding like that.
Europe kinda did take over the world for a bit...
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http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/515293.page#5420356
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2011/03/11 07:51:25
Subject: Re:France Recognizes Rebels As New Government of Libya
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Druid Warder
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... i kinda know about that *looks at flag*
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Hey, I just met you,
and this is crazy,
but I'm a demon,
possess you, maybe?
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2011/03/11 07:55:41
Subject: Re:France Recognizes Rebels As New Government of Libya
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)
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Amaya wrote:Bakerofish wrote:hasnt Europes plan always been:
"lets see what they do and jump in when its over"?
at least ever since the "take over the world" plan didnt pan out
i kid i kid...
but really though, kinda bad form for a "union" if one member keeps grandstanding like that.
Europe kinda did take over the world for a bit...
Oh, it was ever so fun!
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Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
"Good game guys, now lets hit the showers"
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2011/03/11 08:34:19
Subject: Re:France Recognizes Rebels As New Government of Libya
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[SWAP SHOP MOD]
Killer Klaivex
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Why should we need a unilateral European decision? The EU is a economic entity, not a political one. And I oppose any attempts to make it into one.
We'll recognise whichever government we want to recognise, and it will be the one that's best in our interests. I couldn't care less what Poland or Portugal make of the whole affair. They have (or should have) no impact on our foreign policy with Libya.
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2011/03/11 08:44:21
Subject: France Recognizes Rebels As New Government of Libya
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Druid Warder
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@ketara
*shrugs* seems like the political reasons to do so may have enough of an economic impact to have the EU foreign affairs chief speak up anyway
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Hey, I just met you,
and this is crazy,
but I'm a demon,
possess you, maybe?
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2011/03/11 08:50:45
Subject: France Recognizes Rebels As New Government of Libya
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Bakerofish wrote:@ketara
*shrugs* seems like the political reasons to do so may have enough of an economic impact to have the EU foreign affairs chief speak up anyway
It doesn't really work that way.
Anyway, this just adds to my idea that the world has been waiting before helping the rebels because they've been trying to figure out if they're the sort of people that we really want to be helping. All sorts of groups can start a revolution and not that many of them are better than tyrants.
It seems France has decided they like these folk. I wonder who'll follow in the next few days.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. |
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2011/03/11 09:06:41
Subject: France Recognizes Rebels As New Government of Libya
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Druid Warder
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as long as it doesnt devolve into petty squabbling between the EU then it should be alright
France's decision isnt surprising though. They really didnt have a good relationship during Gaddafi's run. Maybe they're looking to set a good impression for the new guys
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Hey, I just met you,
and this is crazy,
but I'm a demon,
possess you, maybe?
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2011/03/11 09:49:36
Subject: Re:France Recognizes Rebels As New Government of Libya
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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Ketara wrote:Why should we need a unilateral European decision? The EU is a economic entity, not a political one. And I oppose any attempts to make it into one.
eeerrr. Are you perhaps getting confused here with the EEC which was an economic entity. The EU, especially post Maastrich, most certainly is a political entity.
I guess one could argue that whilst the "pillars" idea was in effect it was at least mainly economics absed, but surely Lisbon removed any and all pretense of this ?
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
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2011/03/11 09:54:07
Subject: Re:France Recognizes Rebels As New Government of Libya
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Killer Klaivex
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reds8n wrote:Ketara wrote:Why should we need a unilateral European decision? The EU is a economic entity, not a political one. And I oppose any attempts to make it into one.
eeerrr. Are you perhaps getting confused here with the EEC which was an economic entity. The EU, especially post Maastrich, most certainly is a political entity.
I guess one could argue that whilst the "pillars" idea was in effect it was at least mainly economics absed, but surely Lisbon removed any and all pretense of this ?
I'm fully aware it IS a political entity, but I like to pretend it isn't, and that we still retain some control over our own foreign policy and judiciary. 
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2011/03/11 10:02:48
Subject: Re:France Recognizes Rebels As New Government of Libya
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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Ah, gotcha.
My faith in the Uk educational system is restored.
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
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2011/03/11 10:03:03
Subject: France Recognizes Rebels As New Government of Libya
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Buttons Should Be Brass, Not Gold!
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I suspect its France trying to make up for the political mess it made over the uprisings in Tunisia...
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2011/03/11 11:15:24
Subject: France Recognizes Rebels As New Government of Libya
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Sadistic Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Big P wrote:I suspect its France trying to make up for the political mess it made over the uprisings in Tunisia...
Spoilers!!! 
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2011/03/11 12:23:56
Subject: Re:France Recognizes Rebels As New Government of Libya
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Emperors Faithful wrote:Hope this was a joke and not a reflection on your education.
Wow that violates Rule #1. Maybe I should ban you EF, pre your views on the DCM?
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2011/03/11 12:38:05
Subject: France Recognizes Rebels As New Government of Libya
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
University of St. Andrews
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halonachos wrote:Damn it France, if they start another Vietnam so help me...
Well, they haven't gotten involved, so it won't be another Vietnam.
As for the EU, as I understand it, it's much more like the US under the Articles of Confederation more than anything else, with the various political components remaining relatively sovereign in respects to each other, while still having alot of cooperation.
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"If everything on Earth were rational, nothing would ever happen."
~Fyodor Dostoevsky
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
~Hanlon's Razor
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2011/03/11 12:58:04
Subject: France Recognizes Rebels As New Government of Libya
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Buttons Should Be Brass, Not Gold!
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ChrisWWII wrote:halonachos wrote:Damn it France, if they start another Vietnam so help me...
Well, they haven't gotten involved, so it won't be another Vietnam.
Why the fascination with Indochina (which is the correct term for the French colonial war that took place from 1945 till 1954, not the Vietnam War)? I fail to see how a war against a communist insurgency is anything like supporting a nationalist insurgency against a dictatorship or what is in effect, a civil war.
I wonder why you dont liken it to the French war in Algeria, seeing as that is in North Africa and was a fight against an insurgency... At least thats the right continet and the French have 'form'. Still nothing like the present civil war.
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2011/03/11 17:04:44
Subject: France Recognizes Rebels As New Government of Libya
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Hangin' with Gork & Mork
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Big P wrote:Why the fascination with Indochina (which is the correct term for the French colonial war that took place from 1945 till 1954, not the Vietnam War)?
I don't think he was calling the French governments adventures there the Vietnam War, but referencing that it was in essence the prelude to the (USA's) Vietnam Conflict. Not a good conflict for morale purposes, but we've gotten some great movies out of it.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
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2011/03/11 17:17:29
Subject: Re:France Recognizes Rebels As New Government of Libya
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Frazzled wrote:Emperors Faithful wrote:Hope this was a joke and not a reflection on your education.
Wow that violates Rule #1. Maybe I should ban you EF, pre your views on the DCM?
Do not be uncautious when confronted by a wrinkly old smiling bald man? How?
I kid, I kid. Anyway, it's only a matter of time before everyone else follows suit, methinks.
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2011/03/11 18:01:19
Subject: Re:France Recognizes Rebels As New Government of Libya
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
In your base, ignoring your logic.
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Emperors Faithful wrote:
halonachos wrote:Damn it France, if they start another Vietnam so help me...
Hope this was a joke and not a reflection on your education.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dien_Bien_Phu 
Good stuff, the French usually mess things up who would've figured?
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2011/03/11 22:47:15
Subject: Re:France Recognizes Rebels As New Government of Libya
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)
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Frazzled wrote:Emperors Faithful wrote:Hope this was a joke and not a reflection on your education.
Wow that violates Rule #1. Maybe I should ban you EF, pre your views on the DCM?
I don't know, maybe you should support those making jokes in that Japan Earthquake thread?
halonachos wrote:Emperors Faithful wrote:
halonachos wrote:Damn it France, if they start another Vietnam so help me...
Hope this was a joke and not a reflection on your education.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dien_Bien_Phu
Good stuff, the French usually mess things up who would've figured?
Right, becuase there Libya is currently a colony of France and there are French forces stationed there. Oh, and the Communists are behind everything.
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Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
"Good game guys, now lets hit the showers"
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2011/03/11 22:52:49
Subject: Re:France Recognizes Rebels As New Government of Libya
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Killer Klaivex
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Emperors Faithful wrote:
Right, becuase there Libya is currently a colony of France and there are French forces stationed there. Oh, and the Communists are behind everything.
Wut?
Your post makes no sense.
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2222/03/01 22:14:27
Subject: Re:France Recognizes Rebels As New Government of Libya
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Australia (Recently ravaged by the Hive Fleet Ginger Overlord)
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Ketara wrote:Emperors Faithful wrote:
Right, becuase there Libya is currently a colony of France and there are French forces stationed there. Oh, and the Communists are behind everything.
Wut?
Your post makes no sense.
I know. The US can't blame Vietnam on the French. Not entirely. And this pretty much has nothing to do with Libya.
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Smacks wrote:
After the game, pack up all your miniatures, then slap the guy next to you on the ass and say.
"Good game guys, now lets hit the showers"
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2011/03/11 22:57:03
Subject: France Recognizes Rebels As New Government of Libya
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
University of St. Andrews
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I think we can agree that the situatino in Libya has next to no ties to what happened in Vietnam/Indochina leading up to US involvement in a 'police action' known colloquially as the Vietnam War.
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"If everything on Earth were rational, nothing would ever happen."
~Fyodor Dostoevsky
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
~Hanlon's Razor
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Battlefleet Tomania (2500 pts)
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2011/03/11 22:59:54
Subject: Re:France Recognizes Rebels As New Government of Libya
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Killer Klaivex
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Emperors Faithful wrote:Ketara wrote:Emperors Faithful wrote:
Right, becuase there Libya is currently a colony of France and there are French forces stationed there. Oh, and the Communists are behind everything.
Wut?
Your post makes no sense.
I know. The US can't blame Vietnam on the French. Not entirely. And this pretty much has nothing to do with Libya.
I don't know anything about that. I didn't understand your post grammatically. I couldn't even infer what you were trying to say.
Me writing:- 'Jelly bonanza is roughly circumference of Chaos black in a holistic approach', made about as much sense as that post did.
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