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I had a game with a fella called John last night who I've met down my gaming club a few times before. He's only recently got back into 40k and this would be his third game. I'll be giving him some help through out the game where I can and already given him some list building advice, which he is tried a few things from.

Blood Angels "Wing Striker" - 2,000 points


HQ

Librarian - shield of sanguinus & unleash rage

Librarian - shield of sanguinus & unleash rage

Honour Guard w/ Razorback - 2 x flamers - Razorback w/ lascannon & twin-linked plasma gun

Honour Guard w/ Razorback - 2 x meltaguns - Razorback w/ lascannon & twin-linked plasma gun

Elite

1 x Sanguinary Priest

Troops

5 x Assault Marines w/ Razorback - 1 x flamer - sgt w/ power weapon - Razorback w/ lascannon & twin-linked plasmagun

5 x Assault Marines w/ Razorback - 1 x flamer - sgt w/ power weapon - Razorback w/ lascannon & twin-linked plasmagun

5 x Assault Marines w/ Razorback - 1 x flamer - sgt w/ power weapon - Razorback w/ lascannon & twin-linked plasmagun

5 x Assault Marines w/ Razorback - 1 x meltagun - Razorback w/ lascannon & twin-linked plasmagun

5 x Assault Marines w/ Razorback - 1 x meltagun - Razorback w/ lascannon & twin-linked plasmagun

5 x Assault Marines w/ Razorback - 1 x meltagun - Razorback w/ lascannon & twin-linked plasmagun

Heavy Support

Vindicator

Vindicator

Total: 2,000


Eldar - 2,000 points

HQ

Avatar of Khaine

Eldrad Ulthran

Elites

10 x Striking Scorpions - Exarch w/ power klaw

5 x Wraithguard - Warlock w/ enhance

5 x Fire Dragons w/ Wave Serpent - Exarch w/ fire pike & crackshot - Serpent w/ twin-linked shuriken cannon

Troops

10 x Guardians - EML platform & Warlock w/ conceal

5 x Guardian Jetbikes - shrieker cannon

6 x Dire Avengers - Exarch w/ power weapon & shimmer shield

Fast Attack

6 x Warp Spiders - Exarch w/ withdraw

Heavy Support

5 x Dark Reapers - Exarch w/ EML, fast shot & crackshot

Wraithlord - shruiken catapult, flamer, EML & star cannon

Wraithlord - shruiken catapult, flamer, EML & star cannon


Total: 2,000

Game: Pitched Battle & Annilation

Deployment

I won the roll off and deployed first putting my Razorbacks in a long line with the Librarians and Priests covering everything with the 6" bubbles for shield, FnP and F.C. I put the Vindicators together the other side of the shrine ruin due to space and we also counted the river as difficult terrain and I didn't fancy any of my stuff getting immobilised.

John deployed his Dark Reapers in a tower ruin opposite me, then using the tower as cover the Avatar and Eldrad and also the Avengers. More towards the left flank he deployed the Guardians with the EML and the Striking Scorpions, then on the left flank the Wraithguard and two Wraithlords. On the right flank John put the single Serpent with Warp Spiders and Guardian Jetbike escort so all these units can move roughly the same speed, however, they were all pretty much out my way.




* Tactical Notes

As mentioned it's only Johns 3rd so I will be helping him where I can and where I remember, though this also will be a learning exercise for him as he will find out how more constructed lists do against favourite choices out of the codex.

My plan firstly is to aim as many lascannons at the single Serpent and nail it taking the Fire Dragons out the picture. I will then focus fire on the Avatar and Wraithlords and also the Wraithguard which have anti tank abilities and can smash my troops once out the transport, finally I'll go for Dark Reapers as S5 AP3 missiles isn't nice to power armour. The rest I will slice up in combat.

I did mention to John about outflanking his Scorpions but he didn't buy the Exarch power. I did in previous conversations mention about a Wraithguard wall, though he hasn't deployed the Wriathguard right. Ah well live and learn.

Turn 1

I start shifting my Razorbacks about using about half to get LOS on the Serpent, even though it has cover thanks a ruin and use the rest to draw LOS to the Avatar and Wraithlords. The Vindicators move about to get LOS better on the Wraithguard.

Shooting Wave Serpent gets hit by two lascannons both penetrating hits one makes the cover save but the other doesn't seeing the Serpent explode and two Dragons left who pass morale and leadership. Avatar gets raped by lascannons and is down to a single wound left. A Wraithlord gets shot at robbing a wound while the Vindicators drop shells on the Wraithguard blowing two of them to pieces.

Johns turn he turbo boosts the Jetbikes down the right flank with the Warp Spiders following, one Spider is lost in the warp. The Avengers, Avatar and Scorpions all make their way forward while the Reapers reposition. On the left flank the walking undead shuffles forward.

Shooting Wraithlords fire at the Vindicators but do nothing with the EML against armour 13. Guardians try firing at a Razorback but nothing.

Kill point tracker - Blood Angels: 1 Eldar: 0





* Tactical Notes

Ok a cracking first turn with the Wave Serpent exploding and taking out over half the squad, at least those Fire Dragons are out the game now. The Avatar has a single wound left which I am confident I'll claim next turn and I've started chipping down the undead Eldar.

What John should have done is put the Wave Serpent more in the centre and behind the tower so I couldn't draw LOS then turbo boost it across the board his turn towards me. His Wraithguard and Wriathlords would have been better in the centre of the board giving cover to other units, namely the Scorpions and Avengers.

Turn 2

I advance my Razorbacks forward to get LOS on the Wraithlords while the Vindicators switch targets for the Striking Scorpions. Two Razorbacks come at the side of the centre ruin to draw LOS easily on the Avatar.

Shooting I kill the Avatar, I also kill two Dark Reapers with plasma as well seems I've got them going spare. Vindicators blast the Scorpions leaving three left, they pass morale. Wraithlord gets blasted by only loses a single wound, though got one left.

Johns turn he moves the Warp Spiders in a sweeping flank towards my rear by still distance away, Jetbikes support them. Scorpions move to the edge of the centre ruin ready to assault something. Wraithguard and Wraithlords move down the left flank using terrain for cover.

Shooting Dark Reaper crew stun a Razorback carrying a flamer squad and Librarian. A psychic battle rages as Eldrad tries to use eldritch storm on a Razorback, I think it goes off second time after a hood blocks the first attempt seeing a Razoback spin 180 around. EML from Guardians fires but either misses or does nothing.

In assault the Scorpions charge the turned around Razorback and do nothing.

Kill point tracker - Blood Angels: 2 Eldar: 0





* Tactical Notes

The Avatar is dusted and the Dark Reapers have started to take the pain making it pretty much safe for me to get out next turn, if I kill the Reapers off I will be fine as the Wraithlords are no where near assault.

My plan is to carry on torrenting the Wraithlords and I'll bring the Vindicators to bare on the Wraithguard again. I'll bail out the Librarian and flamer squad on the Avengers which John moved away from me as I told him I was going to charge him, though I think I am still within range. If I then can use plasma to kill the Reapers I am safe.

I must say John isn't also having much luck with his dice, he needs to bin them. I think his sweeping arc of Warp Spiders probably won't pay off as they have come too far around which means they won't get close enough and I probably and capitialise on that next turn. Though at least he's using the terrain for cover as I mentioned so the Guardians are tucked away nicely and the Wraithlords get some kind of cover or block LOS.

Turn 3

I get out a Librarian and flamer Honour Guard squad out of a Razorback ready to flame and bash the Scorpions, the Razorback supporting tank shocks the Scorpions as it needs to get through, the Exarch tries death or glory and gets pulped. The other Librarian and flamer squad bail out ready to mash some Avengers up while all Razorbacks move to get LOS on the Wraithlords as the Vindicators reposition to blow away the Wraithguard. Two Razorbacks at the back of the Razorback herd peel off ready to intercept the incoming Warp Spiders

Shooting Honour Guard unleash bolt pistols flamers on the two Scorpions and kill them both. Librarian and flamer squad do the same to the Avengers who pass all armour saves. Dark Reapers go down in a hail of plasma fire. A Wraithlord falls thanks to lascannons and plasma, the other takes a wound if I remember right. Another two Wraithguard get blasted away by Vindicator shells leaving one Wraithguard and the Warlock left. The two Razorbacks which left the formation blast the Warp Spiders leaving one left who fails morale and legs it.

In assault Librarian and flamer squad charge the Avengers, Libraran tries to cast unleash rage but Eldrads runes of warding soon stop that. After the dust has settled the Avengers are dead and all Marines are ok.

Johns turn he turbo boosts the Jetbikes away from me after seeing what happened to his Warp Spiders. I advise him to attach Eldrad to the Guardians or next turn I'll plasma and lascannon the Eldar chief and maybe I.D him, so he does that. Wraithguard mooch down the left flank ready to take a shot at a Vindicator.

Shooting the solo Wraithguard misses. Eldrad tries eldritch storm which the hoods manage to stop, twice. Guardians fire at something but don't do anything anyway.

Kill point tracker Blood Angels: 7 Eldar: 0





* Tactical Notes

Ok the Angels are clearing house here. Just need to get into combat with the Guardians and finish off the Wraithlord and Wraithguard followed by the stragglers.

Johns best bet was to focus his fire onto a single Razorback and hopefully pop it and then charge it with Guardians, though his failed in the last turn :(

Turn 4

I send the previously stunned Razorback over the bridge towards the two Fire Dragons as the two Razorbacks which killed the Warp Spiders move 18" through terrain without any problems and both pop smoke in order to lend there support. Librarian and flamer squad move towards the Guardians along side a melta squad which bails out their Razorback ready to get into the fight, a flamer unit with a Priest follows behind in the Razorback to give furious charge and feel no pain. All remaining Razorbacks move to blow the Wraithlord away while the Vindicators move away from the Wraithguard.

Shooting Vindicators blow up the Wraithguard and Warlock. Fire Dragons both some how survive...while the last Wraithlord is chipped down to a single wound.

In combat both Angel squads charge the Eldar with the Librarian managing to get unleash rage off, Eldar lose combat by stay in combat with the Warlock, couple of Guardians and Eldrad.

Johns turn he turbo boosts the Jetbikes again this time falling back towards his table edge as the solo Warp Spider finally falls off the board.

Shooting Wraithlord fires at a Razorback and scores weapon destroyed as the Fire Dragons manage to immobilise and weapon destroyed on a Razorback losing a plasma gun.

In assault Warlock and Guardians die and Eldrad foolish hangs on..Wraithlord charges a Razorback and does nothing.

Kill point tracker Blood Angels: 9 Eldar: 0




* Tactical Notes

Uhm...

Turn 5

A flamer Assault Squad bail out the immobilised and weapon destroyed Razorback and walk towards the Jetbikes as the melta Honour Guard move up in their tank and bail out ready to unleash meltas on the Fire Dragons giving them a taste of their own medicine.

Shooting Fire Dragons eat melta and die. Jetbikes get shot at by every Razorback in range and take no wounds. Wraithlord takes some punishment, but finally falls.

In assault the flamer squad charges the Jetbikes, one Marine dies three Jetbikes down and combat remains on. Eldrad gets killed, bye bye my friend.

Eldar turn is just assault only as nothing left to shoot all move, Jetbikes die in combat.

Blood Angels win with 12 kill points tabling Eldar.





Summary

Not to blow my own horn that game was as easy as I expected. That's not down to Johns skill but more down to the list, which John has seen himself. First turn the real anti tank threat was eliminated then any unit which could threaten me from range or either once I got out the tanks was taken care off; the Avatar was getting close and would have been annoying if any of my tanks had been taken out. Once the Dark Reapers were gone it was pretty much safe as the Wraithlords were miles away.

John was expecting my Tyranids which threw him off his game I think as he took some particular units which he thought might be able to deal with them. Deployment was his main problem as he pretty much hung the Serpent out to dry even if it had cover, he should have put it behind the tower blocking LOS completely. He would have been better putting the Wraithguard in front of the Guardians giving them cover and a bubblewrap so when my Angels assaulted they'd have to deal with T6 annoying things plus those wraithcannons would have done more damage instead of walking down the board and getting shelled by Vindicators.

I did write John a foot list some time ago, though I told him it's all about mech and a Wave Serpent force would give serious trouble to other armies including mech. He said he was going to look at his list and maybe go a mix but I fear that won't work and it's best to go all foot or all mech. If he gets more Guardians and Wraithguard he could do the wraith-wall style list and using the Avatar for a fearless bubble with Wraithlords laying down anti tank fire with the Guardians anti grav platforms. It's food for thought anyway.

Ouch, poor guy was not ready for that.

No he wasn't. He was expecting me to bring Tyranids and I surprised him with mech Angels.

I want to see you run your old DoA lists more... or has it been abandoned for mech-o-rama? Tuning a DoA list so I'm biased, always very informative reports as usual.

nice batrep. Though completely unrelated, I LOVE you painting light.

Nice to see a good amount of terrain on the table as well!

BladeWalker wrote:I want to see you run your old DoA lists more... or has it been abandoned for mech-o-rama? Tuning a DoA list so I'm biased, always very informative reports as usual.

It has been abandoned mate. I'm too involved with mech and I can't get adjusted to infantry lists unless I've been playing them a long time i.e Tyranids.

Somnicide wrote:nice batrep. Though completely unrelated, I LOVE you painting light.

Nice to see a good amount of terrain on the table as well!

Thanks man. That's not my house, it's Johns.

His board was nice it's meant for fantasy as he plays that mostly but I think the river and arcane ruins add a nice spice and look great.

wow you played one of the cheesiest cookie cutter tournament lists I have ever seen, against an absolutly horrid eldar list.

grats rofl. your deep checkbook and ability to play lists other people created won the day!

I've played against similar blood angel lists and find this to not be that effective at all. Once you get close, the entire list crumbles. Lots of 5 man squads? Not that great at handling threats.

The most razorbacks I've faced was 6, though, so that might change things. They were replaced with autocannon/heavy bolter predators though, so the amount of firepower coming at me was still comparable.

Smitty0305 wrote:wow you played one of the cheesiest cookie cutter tournament lists I have ever seen, against an absolutly horrid eldar list.

grats rofl. your deep checkbook and ability to play lists other people created won the day!

Wow, this post is really uncalled for. You really should be more respectful to other people on this board. Mercer has played plenty of unconventional lists before, and just because the list is good, and utilizes an army's strength does not make it cheesy.

It sounds to me like you are bitter about his "Deep Checkbook" and good list.

Smitty0305 wrote:wow you played one of the cheesiest cookie cutter tournament lists I have ever seen, against an absolutly horrid eldar list.

grats rofl. your deep checkbook and ability to play lists other people created won the day!

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Flawless Victory!

Lol, reminds me of my first ten battles with my Eldar! Back in the days where i just wanted to field the units i liked, one WS, a bit of jump infantry, and loads of useless short range firepower all mixed into one tactical nightmare!

People who have tabled many an eldar army have the best advice, it's when you start paying attention to it that an eldar army can come together!

Still, always painful to see our kin ruined so easily on the battlefield

The boards you play on are awesome. Exactly what a 40k battle should look like, both in the fluff and on the tabletop.

So I got tabled and wrote a horrible list but I take solace in that I have a nice board and painting lamp lol

It was a tough army to come up against in what is only my 3rd game of 40k, I may have been slaughtered but I still enjoyed the game as weird as it sounds!

Hopefully Craftworld Iybraesil will not get tabled in their next game

Smitty0305 wrote:wow you played one of the cheesiest cookie cutter tournament lists I have ever seen, against an absolutly horrid eldar list.

grats rofl. your deep checkbook and ability to play lists other people created won the day!

Thanks for the feedback, you really you helped. I'm glad I have a deep checkbook, mines about 9ft deep .

Spellbound wrote:I've played against similar blood angel lists and find this to not be that effective at all. Once you get close, the entire list crumbles. Lots of 5 man squads? Not that great at handling threats.

The most razorbacks I've faced was 6, though, so that might change things. They were replaced with autocannon/heavy bolter predators though, so the amount of firepower coming at me was still comparable.

TBH mate it's weight of targets. A list with lots of ranged fire power can tackle the weak Razorbacks pretty easily, smoke and shield will only keep them alive for so long. Once the Marines are out it's only 5 as you said; that's why they have a Priest. If you can pop the tanks and kill the Marines you're laughing.

Sasori wrote:

Smitty0305 wrote:wow you played one of the cheesiest cookie cutter tournament lists I have ever seen, against an absolutly horrid eldar list.

grats rofl. your deep checkbook and ability to play lists other people created won the day!

Wow, this post is really uncalled for. You really should be more respectful to other people on this board. Mercer has played plenty of unconventional lists before, and just because the list is good, and utilizes an army's strength does not make it cheesy.

It sounds to me like you are bitter about his "Deep Checkbook" and good list.

He really likes "cheesy cookie cutter tournament lists" lol or he just likes coming up with silly names for stuff

Kris221 wrote:Flawless Victory!

Mortal Kombat quotes for the win!

Altayre wrote:Lol, reminds me of my first ten battles with my Eldar! Back in the days where i just wanted to field the units i liked, one WS, a bit of jump infantry, and loads of useless short range firepower all mixed into one tactical nightmare!

People who have tabled many an eldar army have the best advice, it's when you start paying attention to it that an eldar army can come together!

Still, always painful to see our kin ruined so easily on the battlefield

Indeed mate. Eldar need to have a well working list or can just be taken to pieces pretty easily.

Griever wrote:The boards you play on are awesome. Exactly what a 40k battle should look like, both in the fluff and on the tabletop.

Thanks man

Metallicarule wrote:So I got tabled and wrote a horrible list but I take solace in that I have a nice board and painting lamp lol

It was a tough army to come up against in what is only my 3rd game of 40k, I may have been slaughtered but I still enjoyed the game as weird as it sounds!

Hopefully Craftworld Iybraesil will not get tabled in their next game

John, when you lose you learn why you lose and you said you learnt a lot of things in our game and stuff you won't be doing again

People still use checks?

Anywhoo, it was a good batrep, and I am sure still a fun game. Informative also for John. I too am about to go through that process with my Eldar. I used to play Daemonhunters and Tau a few years back, so a severe change stratigically anyway. Losing...I'm looking forward to it

Smitty0305 wrote:wow you played one of the cheesiest cookie cutter tournament lists I have ever seen, against an absolutly horrid eldar list.

grats rofl. your deep checkbook and ability to play lists other people created won the day!

Haters gonna hate. In free play ya this list is definitely overpowered, not real fun to play against most casual armies. I would say a lot could take it on, such as 2000 pts DOA army, deathwing, IG, shooty armies.

Honestly Smitty, no one wants to hear about your financial problems. Instead of crying, think of suggestions as to what the eldar couldve done different, or did you read his list and just skip to the end to go cry over how badly you would lose to it?

Eldar player: You need more long range that can move forward. Replace the dark reapers with a 3rd wraithlord, get an avatar, get HARLEQUINS with a SHADOWSEER. They will allow you to get close and personal with these armies. Troops wise, jetbikes should only be 3 to take objectives last turn of the game. Drop the warp spiders, they were good in last edition but you need more punch so I would suggest either more harlequins or something that can get into an assault.

Hmm. Firehose versus saltine duel, to be sure. But yeah, the Eldar player tried for some dodgy units. Then again, he expected to face Nids.

DefeatmyArmy, the Eldar list did have an Avatar. He was a non-facotr and dead on turn 2, I think. I'm not sure harlequins would have helped much against such a mobile army with so much firepower. Maybe Falcon tanks instead of FirePrisms for better volume of fire against the Razorbacks would be a better plan.

Aargh, I see Photobucket's bandwidth ran out on you as well. I sympathize, its annoying to have all your batrep pics vanish once Photobucket decides it doesnt like you.

Otherwise, good report. A bit of a mismatch, as you yourself stated, but good nonetheless.

Lord of Nonsensical Crap wrote:Aargh, I see Photobucket's bandwidth ran out on you as well. I sympathize, its annoying to have all your batrep pics vanish once Photobucket decides it doesnt like you.

WTF happened to the photos? They were up and working fine 4 hours ago?

Thanks to everyone for the advice, I definately need the help lol

I used to play 2nd edition so most of my minis are from back then and I'm still getting used to what was awesome and worked before is pretty bad now. Reapers and spiders were so awesome back then, (when a spider exarch with a vortex grenade would make people cry lol), made me pretty sad because I used to do pretty well with the spiders and the reapers have always been my fave unit.

I used to have loads of harlequins but I've lost them somehow, I want to get some more eventually, I really like their fluff and again, back in 2nd they were badass, not sure how well they work

I have to admit, I was hoping to play against nids as when I used to play some of the best games I had were against them, will be cool to play against them again

Mercer has very kindly given me a bunch of advice on creating a competitive list and once I have the models I should fare a little better, I might even get a kill point next time

I don't understand the snide comment about Mercers list either, deep pockets or chequebooks are neither here nor there, the fact we both enjoyed the game is the main thing!

Well said John. There are alot of changes since 2nd Ed, and expecting 120 mosquitos and getting a pack of armadillos doesn't help your list either

MERCER!
Why arent you uploading to the dakka gallery any more?!
Cant view in work :(

Falnex, you are so right, I know there are the best part of 15 years between 2nd and 5th but the sheer amount it has changed really surprised me. The main difference was how my 2nd edition badass footsloggers became 5th edition roadkill lol.

That being said, Mercer said that the list I picked would have been overwhelmed by the bugs, you live and learn

Sephyr wrote:
Hmm. Firehose versus saltine duel, to be sure. But yeah, the Eldar player tried for some dodgy units. Then again, he expected to face Nids.

DefeatmyArmy, the Eldar list did have an Avatar. He was a non-facotr and dead on turn 2, I think. I'm not sure harlequins would have helped much against such a mobile army with so much firepower. Maybe Falcon tanks instead of FirePrisms for better volume of fire against the Razorbacks would be a better plan.

I've suggested a Serpent list which would do well. Serpents are expensive but very strong thanks to the force field and will protect Johns puny Eldar plus Serpents can take hellvua a punishment.

Lord of Nonsensical Crap wrote:Aargh, I see Photobucket's bandwidth ran out on you as well. I sympathize, its annoying to have all your batrep pics vanish once Photobucket decides it doesnt like you.

Otherwise, good report. A bit of a mismatch, as you yourself stated, but good nonetheless.

Yeah, it runs out quick. I've actually got two accounts but one runs out quicker than the other for some reason.

Ratius wrote:MERCER!
Why arent you uploading to the dakka gallery any more?!
Cant view in work :(

Never did mate something I might have to do.

Metallicarule wrote:Falnex, you are so right, I know there are the best part of 15 years between 2nd and 5th but the sheer amount it has changed really surprised me. The main difference was how my 2nd edition badass footsloggers became 5th edition roadkill lol.

That being said, Mercer said that the list I picked would have been overwhelmed by the bugs, you live and learn

Indeed it would be matey. Armour gives you protection from assault armies and the Nids would have rolled up and just mass assaulted everything. With the mass cover and feel no pain I could have made my way up easily and focused on the centre flank. Bring the Avatar down with triple devourer shots from the two Carnifexes and Hive Tyrant, wipe out the units in the centre then peel off and get the Wraithlords, smash them in combat with my monstrous creatures which have more wounds than the Wraithlord has attacks. Of course that's all theory, need to try it

Well all being well I'll only be missing the next 2 sundays at cgc and sometime next weekend will be setting up my table at my new place, hopefully I'll get a chance to go against the bugs soon

Its not because I think I have a better chance against them or anything, I've always had a soft spot for the nasty little critters

Sound mate. I'll come over and bring the bugs and maybe you can proxy the Serpent list. You will see a mass difference and I expect you will win or I will be having a very very tough game.

Sounds good, I'll let you know when I'm able to have a game.

When I was thinking of getting back into 40k I almost started a nid army. That may still happen eventually, well once the skaven have been painted anyways lol

Metallicarule wrote:Falnex, you are so right, I know there are the best part of 15 years between 2nd and 5th but the sheer amount it has changed really surprised me. The main difference was how my 2nd edition badass footsloggers became 5th edition roadkill lol.

That being said, Mercer said that the list I picked would have been overwhelmed by the bugs, you live and learn

My last game of 40k was also 2nd Ed...
also Eldar... just before nids got released actually...

I used to have an all bike harlequin army which used to to work wonders as the meta then was footslog...

adjusting to the sheer scope of what the game has become is a bit intimidating...


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...going OT here sorry

I also would like to bet bat into WHFB but have not a clue what army to even start thinking of...

Used to play Dark elves... can someone point me in the right dirrection or give a one line summary of each army now?

Varl Sigmund wrote:

Metallicarule wrote:Falnex, you are so right, I know there are the best part of 15 years between 2nd and 5th but the sheer amount it has changed really surprised me. The main difference was how my 2nd edition badass footsloggers became 5th edition roadkill lol.

That being said, Mercer said that the list I picked would have been overwhelmed by the bugs, you live and learn

My last game of 40k was also 2nd Ed...
also Eldar... just before nids got released actually...

I used to have an all bike harlequin army which used to to work wonders as the meta then was footslog...

adjusting to the sheer scope of what the game has become is a bit intimidating...


Automatically Appended Next Post:
...going OT here sorry

I also would like to bet bat into WHFB but have not a clue what army to even start thinking of...

Used to play Dark elves... can someone point me in the right dirrection or give a one line summary of each army now?

Harlequins were fantastic 2nd edition, sometimes I'd go with a 50% harlequin list, the kiss was so good in cc.

I can only tell you about the whfb armies I've started:

Dwarfs - For: Tough, can hit hard, high WS, awesome war machines, magic resisitence, high leadership. Against: Slow, no magic, no cavalry, no monsters.

Skaven - For: Fast, cheap troops for hordes, some great magic, great special characters, awesome monsters and war machines. Against: War machines are unreliable, low leadership, troops generally have low strength, some units overcosted.

High Elves - For: Possibly the best magic users in the game, always strike first, great cavalry, fast, elite cc units, dragons and griffons! Against: Low toughness, expensive units, can get overwhelmed by hordes.

I've recently started a beastmen army, from what I can see they have great special characters, some hard hitting units and good strength generally, they suffer from average leadership and high points for the good stuff.

From what I hear if you are getting into whfb you can't go wrong with skaven, high elves, dark elves and I'd guess orcs and goblins would be useful with a new army book just out. Also, new tomb kings are due out in the summer, they should be pretty cool.

Mark, I've hijacked your thread with fantasy, go me

Getting back on topic, errrr, I suck with eldar lol