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Rules are simple, 3 challenges:

I - Equipment

II - Training

III - Battle in 3 environments: Urban, Desert and valley.

Tanks and air support are available, no space ships.

Notes: Tau have only Fire Warriors, Shas'ui allowed per team + their equipment. Same goes for Earth troops, but this time we will count Russia, China, EU. French Foreign Legion and USA.

Let the battle commence....

My vote is for the tau in this one.

Brother Coa wrote:Rules are simple, 3 challenges:

I - Equipment

II - Training

III - Battle in 3 environments: Urban, Desert and valley.

Tanks and air support are available, no space ships.

Notes: Tau have only Fire Warriors, Shas'ui allowed per team + their equipment. Same goes for Earth troops, but this time we will count Russia, China, EU. French Foreign Legion and USA.

Let the battle commence....

Can the tau use drones?

nomotog wrote:
Can the tau use drones?

It is part of their equipment, 1 drone per squad yes?

Is this a joke?

A Fire Warrior has a rapid firing, highly accurate, long range, plasma-based small arm, armor on par with carapace (flak would almost certainly stop a modern weapon's round) and superior support in the form of Seeker missiles, Railguns, and drones.

The Fire Caste is literally bred for war. Their training surpasses anything we have today.

In Urban combat, Seeker missiles go around, and Railgun shots can go through any buildings in their way. Drones can be used to ferret out troops hiding inside.

Desert? Tau have superior range, and their tanks are skimmers; they could run circles around modern tanks. Valley? Box 'em in and shoot 'em up.

No, really, was this a joke?

Sounds fair.... Really this is no contest. The tau are the closest thing 40k has to a 21st century army. They have laser designation, drones, anything we can do they can do with lasers.

Obviously you guys missed/forgot the discussion about how if a chapter of Space Marines assaulted modern day Earth, what would happen. The end result was, people thought they would lose. No, Im not kidding.



Well, Im not saying we would just be laughing stocks here, we would do damage to them and could possibly win some battles. But I think their superior technology would win. Unless Jeff goldbloom showed up with his windows 95 laptop of course.

Also, yea the fire caste is bred for war, but that doesnt mean they are auto winners here. The Japanese in WW2 could be lumped into that same category too. I know Im a bit rusty on my history....but we beat them.

Their armor would be REALLY tough to get through as far as compared to modern flak vests. Im sure they would be far better at stopping our rounds. Id guess our modern stuff would be a 5+ at super best, but most likely a 6 save. But in saying that, their armor isnt super bad ass, we could still blow them up, and if our rounds hit the soft targets, they would die just as easily as we do now adays.


*cant spell*

What if the tau had an eternal with them? One good sniper round and now the tau are all crazy and demoralized.

nomotog wrote:What if the tau had an eternal with them? One good sniper round and now the tau are all crazy and demoralized.

Read the rules - no Ehterials or whatsoever. Not even battle-suits. Just FW and tanks...

In a vacuum, I'd say Tau have it. We win if we can punch and stab them, but hand to hand combat is a lot more common in 40k than in real life.

In equipment and environment, I give it to the Tau. I'd give training to the modern soldier since they're also trained in close combat as well as shooting.

KingCracker wrote:Obviously you guys missed/forgot the discussion about how if a chapter of Space Marines assaulted modern day Earth, what would happen. The end result was, people thought they would lose. No, Im not kidding.



Well, Im not saying we would just be laughing stocks here, we would do damage to them and could possibly win some battles. But I think their superior technology would win. Unless Jeff goldbloom showed up with his windows 95 laptop of course.

Also, yea the fire caste is bred for war, but that doesnt mean they are auto winners here. The Japanese in WW2 could be lumped into that same category too. I know Im a bit rusty on my history....but we beat them.

Their armor would be REALLY tough to get through as far as compared to modern flak vests. Im sure they would be far better at stopping our rounds. Id guess our modern stuff would be a 5+ at super best, but most likely a 6 save. But in saying that, their armor isnt super bad ass, we could still blow them up, and if our rounds hit the soft targets, they would die just as easily as we do now adays.


*cant spell*

It wasn't windows 95, it was OS 7 or 8.

If it was a 'first contact' type of engagement, the Tau totally have it, cause the earth troops would have no idea what they're up against. They'd try to take cover behind some walls and be surprised when a basic plasma round goes through 30 cm of solid rock to blow them apart, etc etc.

I'd also say the Tau would win on desert terrain no matter what because they're from a desert planet.

The Tau would absolutely MURDER us. Emphasis on the killing, maiming, ripping, shredding, and destructive part of MURDER. Our asses would be handed to us on a silver platter and we would either be fed to the kroot hounds or forced to work in mines till we died.

All hail the great Ethereals

Unless there is a Fluffy Pink Fuzzybunny planet in 40k, fielding an army, then any 40k army could utterly obliterate modern-day Earth.

100 Space Marines would have the planet on lockdown inside of a month.

I think we could totally take a chapter of space marines with the entire planet. Assuming they don't get to count on space-based support.

I mean... they have to run out of ammo some time, and then eventually even a space marine will get exhausted from carving through people in hand to hand, and at that point we could sort of tip them over and roll them into the sea.

On topic though - There's no way the Tau lose in the fight described.

Space marines can't get exhausted, they can sleep whilst they're awake. I don't know to be perfectly honest, should we manage to close in with the Tau then we may have a chance at beating them but it all really depends on taking out the tanks and advancing behind as much cover as possible so that the ground troops don't get shot. I would say we'd win in an urban environment but in a desert or a valley we'd be pretty much massacred seeing as they'd have a clear shot on us pretty much all the way down the battle line.

We could take them in HtH.

LOL!

My votes on the earth troopers. Between the USA and French foreign legions, who both have some badass soldiers, and the idea of initiative, soldiers who are used ti having some flexibility in their tactics, plus, we pop an ethereal, game over .

Commisar Von Humps wrote:My votes on the earth troopers. Between the USA and French foreign legions, who both have some badass soldiers, and the idea of initiative, soldiers who are used ti having some flexibility in their tactics, plus, we pop an ethereal, game over .

Then you're vote is misplaced. Severely misplaced. These are FIRE CASTE SOLDIERS, they're whole point in existing is to protect the Tau. Plus, there are no Ethereals, you have to actually read the original post for these threads to work.

Oh God, I just saw the profile picture, NOOOOO!

I - Tau

II - Tau

III - Tau, Tau and Tau

Must have missed that thread about Space Marines. The only effective weapon we have against them would be a direct nuclear strike or other similarly destructive explosive.

iproxtaco wrote:

Commisar Von Humps wrote:My votes on the earth troopers. Between the USA and French foreign legions, who both have some badass soldiers, and the idea of initiative, soldiers who are used ti having some flexibility in their tactics, plus, we pop an ethereal, game over .

Then you're vote is misplaced. Severely misplaced. These are FIRE CASTE SOLDIERS, they're whole point in existing is to protect the Tau. Plus, there are no Ethereals, you have to actually read the original post for these threads to work.

Oh God, I just say the profile picture, NOOOOO!

I - Tau

II - Tau

III - Tau, Tau and Tau

Must have missed that thread about Space Marines. The only effective weapon we have against them would be a direct nuclear strike or other similarly destructive explosive or a sharpened stick.

Added one last thing that will work against Tau.

Tyr Grimtooth wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:

Commisar Von Humps wrote:My votes on the earth troopers. Between the USA and French foreign legions, who both have some badass soldiers, and the idea of initiative, soldiers who are used ti having some flexibility in their tactics, plus, we pop an ethereal, game over .

Then you're vote is misplaced. Severely misplaced. These are FIRE CASTE SOLDIERS, they're whole point in existing is to protect the Tau. Plus, there are no Ethereals, you have to actually read the original post for these threads to work.

Oh God, I just say the profile picture, NOOOOO!

I - Tau

II - Tau

III - Tau, Tau and Tau

Must have missed that thread about Space Marines. The only effective weapon we have against them would be a direct nuclear strike or other similarly destructive explosive or a sharpened stick.

Added one last thing that will work against Tau.

Security breach! How do you know about that? Who's your source? Submit to the Bureau and your family will not be harmed.

An imperial guardsmen armed with a sharp stick walks up to a fire warrior. *poke* The fire warrior explodes.

Gotta say, in a long ranged scrap we would lose badly.
However, get some SEAL's or the SAS in HtH and it's pretty much an auto win......

Or just call on Chuck Norris.

The Tau would win any day. Yes, trained current day humans would own them in close combat. But they wouldn't survive to close combat in the first place.

About the supposed marine chapter invading earth, I'd bet on current military. however powerfull marines may be individually, they're still only about a thousand of them, their power armor wouldn't stop an anti-tank missile, and they're enough launchers and personnel trained to use them to win a war of attrition against such low numbers. Besides, marines don't seem very good at fighting cunningly, and guerilla tactics such as burried explosives on the roads would hurt them.

Actually are equitment isnt all that bad.
I reall shouldnt mention this but i can build a rail pistol out of a camera and a car battery-rail tech is actualy quite easy-ok ive just cleared this leak up as i have no form of a death wish and i have no wish to suddenly vanish overnight with no trace. we have rail tech already their just scared to use it...
and i am also think you should know about that new SAS armour-they emptied 10 .50 round from a sniper into the same spot on it and it was undamaged...(this was leaked a while back)
finaly if i can ever get hold of the equitment i am quite capable of building a form of power/termie armour aswellas dreadknight equilvalents.

master of ordinance wrote:
and i am also think you should know about that new SAS armour-they emptied 10 .50 round from a sniper into the same spot on it and it was undamaged...(this was leaked a while back)

A vest capable of redistributing vast amounts of kinetic energy won't do squat against a pulse weapon.

nomotog wrote:Sounds fair.... Really this is no contest. The tau are the closest thing 40k has to a 21st century army. They have laser designation, drones, anything we can do they can do with lasers.

See the actual scenario people.

On the positive we have laser designation, drones, missiles and artillery. Who cares about this short ranged crap, call in the 155s and JDAMs! Death from above long before the tau even know we're within miles of them, and back in time to watch the game on TV.
Drone sees them coming. Aricraft drop satellite guided bombs from miles away. Artillery finishes off. Maybe we even send troops to police the bodies. This is no contest.

Worse to worse, tactical nuke. Don't even leave the bunker.

Tau.
A las pistol can blow a mans arm off. Now compare that too ours and thats a sniper rifle or shotgun the most powerful things we have. Now thats AP5 Str 3 is our best. The Tau have good enough armour too protect from that we dont have good enough armour against there weapons. Tau win everytime.

InquisitorVaron wrote:Tau.
A las pistol can blow a mans arm off. Now compare that too ours and thats a sniper rifle or shotgun the most powerful things we have. Now thats AP5 Str 3 is our best. The Tau have good enough armour too protect from that we dont have good enough armour against there weapons. Tau win everytime.

So what? A .223 is not as powerful as a .50 cal but it still kills you, especially when it has 5-10 of its buddies along.
More importantly, why are you thinking it gets to that.

Tau are reduced to dogfighting imperial aircraft. Our aircraft will dust them at distance. Once we have the air the Tau are done.
Further, what is in the Tau arsenal that can deal with incoming long range missiles, or even dumb artillery? Thats the proble m with 40K, take out the space craft and everything gets massacred by modern armies.