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Mindstrike missiles is a blast that causes PotW when they "hit" a psyker. Does that mean:

1: If the blast marker ends up over a psyker, he Perils
2: If the blast marker ends up over a psyker and wounds, he Perils
3: If the blast marker ends up over a psyker and causes an unsaved wound, he perils
4: If the blast marker ends up over a psyker and causes an unsaved wound that was allocated to the psyker himself, he perils.
5: If the blast marker ends up over a squad and causes an unsaved wound that was allocated to the psyker himself, he perils.

I would think it's 5, but it seems like any psyker in a squad would never have 'THAT' wound allocated to him.

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The rule really clearly says: any psyker *hit* by

Hits are the step before wounding. There is no allocation possible to "escape" a Mindstrike.

Yeah any Psyker "hit" and then after that you resolve regular wounds. So an enemy Psyker could take 2 wounds from it. At least thats how i read it.

Blast markers still hit models, not just the squad, so even though the wounds might not be allocated to him, if the blast market covers him, it's a hit.

It seems ovelry simple, but it's literally if the blast marker hits him.

Actually if the psyker dies from Perils, you can end up allocating the wound to someone else.

For example - a PBS is hit, covering all 5 (for example) psykers and the overseer. This causes all the psykers to immediately die, as per the rules for PBS, but still 6 hits have been caused. If all 6 wound then the overseer could end up having 6 wounds on him....

yup, Mindstrike missile make psykers cry.


ironicly, they absolutly rape GK squads as each hit on the squad is a Hit on a Psyker. so if 5 PAGKs are hit, thats 5 perils(meaning 5 dead GKs as no Invulns) and 5 rolls to wound any other models.

Grey knights are the nastiest mirror match up since Orks. The army is built to beat it's own ass.

yup, and for 40k ard boyz it looks like its 2 triple Stormraven lists up against each other

Grey Templar wrote:yup, and for 40k ard boyz it looks like its 2 triple Stormraven lists up against each other

You'd better hope to go first.

There's a small RTT at my FLGS, and I think half the guys are running grey knights. I know what to take... I just wish I had two redeemers full of hammernaters.

GT - according to BoP they are only ever ONE psyker.

I agree with nos on this one. If a mindstrike hits all 5 men in a strike squad there is only 1 perils caused, as the squad counts as one psyker.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Actually if the psyker dies from Perils, you can end up allocating the wound to someone else.

For example - a PBS is hit, covering all 5 (for example) psykers and the overseer. This causes all the psykers to immediately die, as per the rules for PBS, but still 6 hits have been caused. If all 6 wound then the overseer could end up having 6 wounds on him....

Wouldnt the overseer just execute D3 psykers and stop the peril? (Or does he do a D3 for each peril caused? which may well kill all of them.)

D3 for each peril, and you have caused X perils, where X is the number of PBS members hit that arent the overseer.

Rephistorch wrote:I agree with nos on this one. If a mindstrike hits all 5 men in a strike squad there is only 1 perils caused, as the squad counts as one psyker.

but what if the justicar is dead. who would be the psyker? say the template covers 4 guys and one model is out (no justicar). can i say that the model to the side is the psyker?

Hellstorm wrote:

Rephistorch wrote:I agree with nos on this one. If a mindstrike hits all 5 men in a strike squad there is only 1 perils caused, as the squad counts as one psyker.

but what if the justicar is dead. who would be the psyker? say the template covers 4 guys and one model is out (no justicar). can i say that the model to the side is the psyker?

If you actually bothered to read the rules in the Codex, you'd know that you randomly select a model as the target of BoP.

There's no need to be snotty. Not everybody has access to the rules when they post.

Rephistorch wrote:I agree with nos on this one. If a mindstrike hits all 5 men in a strike squad there is only 1 perils caused, as the squad counts as one psyker.

No, the Mindstrike missile says that for every hit that a psyker takes from a Mindstrike missile, he takes a perils.

if a mindstrike missile hit 3 GKs, then the "Psyker"(in this case the squad all together) took 3 hits, therefore 3 Perils.

No, it only took one hit; there is only one psyker in the squad, the squad itself.

Or, it takes no hits, as you cannot hit the "unit", you can only hit models within the unit

as per brotherhood of psykers, the "squad" is a single psyker, not each model, so you'd suffer a single perils per mindstrike.

for every model under a blast marker, the unit takes that many hits.

"Every time a psyker is hit...."

the squad is a psyker

how many hits did the missile cause?

the unit suffers that many perils.

How many times did you hit the unit?

Not the models *within* the unit, but how many times did you hit the UNIT itself.

Hint: none. Blast markers only hit models.

for every model a blast marker is over, thats how many hits are resolved against the unit(if it was indeed the models then Blasts could be used as sniper weapons, which the book specifically goes against)

Well, they couldnt as wound allocation still kicks in, stopping them ever being snipers.

An unit of Grey Knights counts as a single psyker.

The Mindstrike rule is: "Any psyker hit [...]"

Against a squad of Grey Knights, only the Justicar (or a random member if he's already dead) suffers the additional effects of the missile if the blast marker hits them.

bushido wrote:
Against a squad of Grey Knights, only the Justicar (or a random member if he's already dead) suffers the additional effects of the missile if the blast marker hits them.

so at best, the first volley of rockets would just absolutely paste the judicar with a truckload of perils , then open the squad up to it?
and since you chose randomly, there's a reasonable chance of double or triple stacking perils on single models.

Well, a unit's shooting happens simultaneously (you can't blow up a transport and shoot the passengers on the same turn with the same squad), so yeah, I think that's how it works.

It looks like if one volley of mindstrikes from the same vehicle hits a squad, only the Justicar should be effected by the anti-psyker special rule (until he's dead). After that, I'm not sure if it would be one random model per missile, or one random model per volley. Probably the former, though.

Per volley; all hits are simultaneous, and at the time of the hits there was only one psyker you could resolve the perils on.

The wound for perils is allocated to the very dead justicar, each and every time. You cant kill him, remove the casusalty and then try to assign a wound to a different model.

Ok I had this discussion with my fellows at my FLGS because we originally thought it was played that if 5 GK's got hit then they took 5 Perils, this is incorrect.

The Brotherhood of Psykers rule says that anytime you suffer a Perils of the Warp you allocate it to the Justicar/Knight of the Flame and if they are dead then you allocate it to a random squad member. The key wording here is "every time" and remember that even though the squad is a psyker the mindstrike would only cause 1 Perils because Brotherhood of Psykers states that you only take the Perils on 1 unit in the squad every time a perils is caused. The squad itself counts as 1 unit for the purposes of Mindstrike missiles so even if you hit 5 GK's only the Justicar would take the Perils of the Warp. Now if your hit by all 4 Mindstrike Missiles on a Stormraven then you would take the wound on the Justicar and then the remaining 3 wounds on random GK squad members.

It's still good to use against GK's because it means that 4 missiles=4 auto dead GK's+extra wounds caused by the missiles themselves.

but all the attacks happen at once, so wouldn't the first volley all go on the sarge?

Not really(Sanguinis); perils is not the same as normal wound allocation, and you do not roll your saves until after all allocation is doe anyways(and all hits from the mindstrikes come in at the same time); so the proper way to do it would be:

Storm raven fires on 5-man Strike squad.
All 4 Mind strikes hit(hitting 7 models) along with, lets say 9 bolters, and all 4 assaultcannon shots(assuming is a SRC).
The shots cause 3 Mindstrike normal wouns, 5 bolter wounds, and 4 Assault cannon wounds(1 of which rends).
The 4 mindstrikes also cause 4 perils.
Wound allocation comes into play, the 4 perils go to the justicar(as brotherhood of psykers says they must), GK player allocated the rend to the justicar, the 3 mindstrike normals go to random troopers, as does the first Bolter, the remaining bolters get spread across the whole unit, last one goes to the justicar again, and the 3 remaining assault cannon shots get spread.

The Justicar now has 7 wounds allocated to him, 4 of them are perils wounds, and 1 is a rending hit; he dies with no save.
3 of the squad members have 3 wounds allocated that they can save against
The last squad member only has 2 wounds that he can save against.

All shooting, all wounding and all allocating is done at the same time for fire from the same unit, and it is all done before any saves are taken or casualties removed.