Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Why on earth is there not a lost and the damned codex? I mean the eye of terror is still fun to use but with no transports and almost no super killy units the army list is as tough as wet toilet paper. In the fluff chaos is always hordes of mutants and cultists but in the game chaos players are forced to use ill fitting codexs or use forgeworld books. Why? What harm would it be to do a W.D or pdf codex? LatD players love converting so we dont even need new minis. Am i the only one that wants a real purpose built LatD codex?

Make way for the SPESS MAHWEENS!!!

The Imperial Guard codex is hardly ill-fitting.

I did love that LatD part of the EoT codex.
It had some good stuff.

Ironsight wrote:The Imperial Guard codex is hardly ill-fitting.

By its very nature it is. Oh yes it can be used to create a game winning traitor guard army. But in the fluff they are the elite. Blood Pact , Sons of Sek these are traitor guard armies but the fluff (mostly B.L novels) show much of the main stream of chaos armies are made up of hordes of mutants and slaves / cultist. Traitor guard, deamons and certainly chaos marines are highley prized elites not the norm. I just think it would cool if a real 40k codex was released instead of shoe horning my LatD army into a current codex.

I think i still have the old EoT codex around somewwere...
You could try finding a fandex and getting your local players to accept it?

Because HEY LOOK OVER THERE MARINES!

Because there isn't a huge demand for one. They're marines, with supplement rules already provided in the Eye of Terror campaign book IIRC.

iproxtaco wrote:Because there isn't a huge demand for one. They're marines, with supplement rules already provided in the Eye of Terror campaign book IIRC.

No they aren't.
The LatD list was a list for mutants and cultists. You could take an aspiring champion as a HQ choide and looted Leman Russ tanks for heavy support along with a load of other options.
The best part was the modelling, you could do pretty much anything and it would be hunky dory.

Forge World has made 4 renegade guard lists.

InImperial Armour books.
Which aren't brilliantly cheap (Though they may be availible for download) and also are not the LatD list.
LatD wasn't traitor guard, it was mutants and cultists.

Boomer wrote:

Ironsight wrote:The Imperial Guard codex is hardly ill-fitting.

By its very nature it is. Oh yes it can be used to create a game winning traitor guard army. But in the fluff they are the elite. Blood Pact , Sons of Sek these are traitor guard armies but the fluff (mostly B.L novels) show much of the main stream of chaos armies are made up of hordes of mutants and slaves / cultist. Traitor guard, deamons and certainly chaos marines are highley prized elites not the norm. I just think it would cool if a real 40k codex was released instead of shoe horning my LatD army into a current codex.

Conscripts pretty much are frenzied mobs, just with cleaner uniforms.

iproxtaco wrote:Because there isn't a huge demand for one. They're marines, with supplement rules already provided in the Eye of Terror campaign book IIRC.

You're thinking of the Legion of he Dammed, the ghost marines from the generic codex. The Lost and the Damned represented the traitors and mutants working under Chaos Marines in the Eye of Terror codex.

I'm all for a Offical LatD codex but the reasons GW won't do it is because they don't have enough time to finish all exisiting codex's in the lifetime of a edition.

the reason why they wouldn't do a WD codex is because it would become to confusing...well thats what they claim but really its just a waste of advertising space. WD is now a shadow of itself, WD was once a gold mine of conversion ideas, cool game types and wacky rules.

So yeah if you want to play LatD without IA or C:IG look online there a couple of good ones out there like the tempus fugitives one is pretty good IMO.

Actually, the real reason is that GW wouldn't be able to sell a model range. Mutants are kit bashes, and while they could make a new mutant sprue, they'd mostly cannibalize sales from other areas.

There are also two really decent ways to rep LatD: codex IG (for more traitor guard), or Codex Orks (for more mutants)

purplefood wrote:InImperial Armour books.
Which aren't brilliantly cheap (Though they may be availible for download) and also are not the LatD list.
LatD wasn't traitor guard, it was mutants and cultists.

The free list in IA5 is renegade guard. IA6 and 7 are very much mutant and cultist lists, even beastmen and mutants are listed as troops in those lists. Not free to download as those are 5th ed lists.

Snarky wrote:

purplefood wrote:InImperial Armour books.
Which aren't brilliantly cheap (Though they may be availible for download) and also are not the LatD list.
LatD wasn't traitor guard, it was mutants and cultists.

The free list in IA5 is renegade guard. IA6 and 7 are very much mutant and cultist lists, even beastmen and mutants are listed as troops in those lists. Not free to download as those are 5th ed lists.

Fair enough. You still have the price tag on them though.
GW wouldn't have to work that hard to make the codex.
It could be a smallish one, with a small bit of fluff, the rules and lots of display pictures.

purplefood wrote:InImperial Armour books.
Which aren't brilliantly cheap (Though they may be availible for download) and also are not the LatD list.
LatD wasn't traitor guard, it was mutants and cultists.

Which, incidentally, the IA lists have.

They just did the smart thing which is to realize that mutants and cultists were stupid to focus directly upon.

Already been told that Kan.
I liked the mutants and cultists...
I might pick up one of the IAs and see what i can see but LatD was a fun list.

Fun list, yeah.

But still. So was my all Kasrkin list.

I'm sure you miss them terribly Kan.

I've still yet to meet anybody that explain why Orks don't work really well for a mutant list.

That's actually a really good idea...
I may use that for later projects...

That's actually an idea we had for an adepticon team that never got off the ground: plague zombies out of flaggellents, empire militia, and catachans (counts as slugga boys) and then zombie heavy weapon troops (count as lootas).

purplefood wrote:I'm sure you miss them terribly Kan.

Words can't describe.

Oh well. I've still got 60 Kasrkin to paint.

GW would be better off putting cultists and mutants in a one giant chaos codex, rather than having books for CSM, Demons, and LatD.

1.) Because official armies like Necrons and Sororitas still wait for an update since 3rd edition.
2.) Because all other Chapter Approved lists are also waiting (Kroot, Craftworls, Speed Freaks)
3.) Because LatD can use the IG Codex.
4.) Because LatD is perfectly done by FW in 3 books, with several lists, nice background and new models.

Forgeworld's "Siege of Vraks" books did a decent job of updating Lost and the Damned. It's been a while since I looked but they seemed like they were well-balanced for 5th edition, give or take a super-heavy or two.

Anyway, the game has lost a lot of luster by shucking all those variant armies from the main game. It's a good example of how paring back content and development can ultimately hurt more than than the overhead savings help.

For those who haven't yet found it, Forgeworld made a pdf for their "renegades and heretics" which spares you from buying the rather expensive Vraks books.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/i/IA5_RH.pdf

Boomer wrote:

Ironsight wrote:The Imperial Guard codex is hardly ill-fitting.

By its very nature it is. Oh yes it can be used to create a game winning traitor guard army. But in the fluff they are the elite. Blood Pact , Sons of Sek these are traitor guard armies but the fluff (mostly B.L novels) show much of the main stream of chaos armies are made up of hordes of mutants and slaves / cultist. Traitor guard, deamons and certainly chaos marines are highley prized elites not the norm. I just think it would cool if a real 40k codex was released instead of shoe horning my LatD army into a current codex.

Indeed. LATD would be a welcome addition. In fact you could take the old codex or the LATD in the back of the witchhunter dex and tweek slightly with some new (cough***MORE SALES**cough) units and voila - new list.

For those who don't - you can use the old dex with a minor link to the current chaos codex for house games.
For tournaments or something more official you can use orks or nids. You can use guard for the more elite stuff.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

Polonius wrote:I've still yet to meet anybody that explain why Orks don't work really well for a mutant list.

The individual orks are too strong to represent your common cultist. But it is indeed a fair standin, especially with the newest dex.

KingDeath wrote:For those who haven't yet found it, Forgeworld made a pdf for their "renegades and heretics" which spares you from buying the rather expensive Vraks books.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/i/IA5_RH.pdf

This is only for the initial IA5 renegade army. For the more true heretic armies, you still need to buy IA6 and 7 (which is Khorne mutants and heretics and nurgle mutants and heretics respectively). Those books contain all the mutant and zombie goodness that everyone seems to crave, plus all the chaosy additions like plague drones, chaos beastmen and daemon engines etc.

And as I said before, you have to buy these as they were published for 5th edition. Also, to those of you saying that IA books are expensive, have you compared their price to similiar books of size and quality? A non fiction or textbook that hasn't been reduced in price costs the same if not more than the IA books. My university textbooks all cost in excess of £66 at RRP, while most IA books are in fact less than £45, with the Siege of Vraks trilogy being one of the cheapest at £38. If you so desperately want to use a renegade list, I do have to say, why not buy the IA book? It's pretty much the same as buying two codices or two army books in terms of price (£36 currently to buy two codex books), and each IA book grants you, yes, TWO army lists, with also a plethora of extra rules and background for both armies, and a great story to boot (with some nice cinematic pictures to go with it). Plus it's hardback. Hardback books are typically more expensive than softback books which are what the codex books are.

Nevertheless, I think they're reasonably priced for what they are (in comparison to other GW products and non GW books).