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Hey guys(and gals). I had a look round for the best place for this and assumed this was the best place for my questions. If I'm wrong, could a mod please move it.
I'm a bit new to GW. Only really been into it for about 4 weeks now (played a little before but I barely got pass buying the Codec a battlepack for tau, tau seem boring so I'm going to ditch them and go for chaos). So if these questions seem nooby, that's why :3

Now, for my questions

1. My main question is, is there a point to taking CSM's? Since, berzerkers, plauge marines and thousand suns seem to do what they can do but a load better. True you lose an extra squad or two in terms of cost, but do you really need it with 4 attack berzerkers and ap3 bolt guns?
2. For AV, what's the best thing I can take, I'm having a look and I can't see anything that stands out at being the best at it. They either lack strength or range…
3. What's the cheapest way to make thousand sons, berzerkers and plauge marines? Would it be just simply buying the relevant Ubox for them, or would there be an easy and simple way of buying the csm's and using something to make them the respective unit :3
4. Where is the best/cheapest place to buy w40k stuff (ignoring places that could be a bit iffy, like that china store that's popped up.). I don't know anywhere to go to, and the only place I know is GW which my mate said they Mark up their products stupidly. If that's actually the case then I rather save my money and go elsewhere since the money I save could be an extra squad or tank x3
5. Last question (for now), I heard there is places that sell tiny magnets that are awesome for vehicles because it allows you to swap load outs and makes it easier for weapon destroyed. Does anyone know where I can buy a load of these mini magnets :3

Thanks for taking the time to read this, and sorry if my grammar is crappy, trying to ask this on my itouch x3

1) they can be useful because you can load them out with a heavy weapon or two unlike the special troop squads. also they are cheaper in points.
2) Most people like Oblits or the defiler, havocs aren't really worth it in my experience.
3) cheapest would be ebay or the dakka swap shop
4)again ebay or dakka swap shop
5) the magnets can be found ebay or a couple other websites(try googling) also some model hobby stores will carry them

Hope that helps somewhat

1) Basic CSM are often overlooked but are quite good. 15 points for that statline and wargear is a great price.
2) The "best" AV is a hard choice. Obliterators are generally considered the best choice, I'm also a fan of Preds and Defilers. In terms of specific weapons: Lascannons and Reaper Autocannons (or standard Autocannons) are your friend.
3) Zerkers are the same cost as basic CSM. As for 1KS and PM, you could get away with conversions if you really want to, however I like the GW models a lot.
4) Ebay, swap shop, etc. Buyer beware of course with these places. I'm willing to spend the extra bit of $$ to buy direct from GW so that I get new, unpainted, unbroken, notrecast models.
5) Ebay. K&J Magnetics. Other places have them. Unfortunatly, with China being a giant jerk and limiting their rare earth exports, rare earth magnets have jumped in price but these are the ones you want. Make sure to get N50 or N52 rated magnets (these are the strongest you can get for a decent price). I use K&J's D101-N52 for magnetizing Tau battlesuit weapons, with NO problem. They are cheap, 100 for $15. And I use K&J's D201-N52 or D21B-N52 for tank weapons or metals.

I don't play Chaos, but as to your magnet question: you don't have to buy them off the internet if you don't want to. (I hate buying things offline, since I don't trust anyone.) I know that Hobby Lobby has them, Michaels probably does too. I imagine any crafts store would be a good place to find them.

Dark Sphere is another good place to buy from and since you live in England, you're lucky you can buy from them, Everyone who lives outside of the EU, you can thank GW for that.

Thanks for the replies people
Defiantly going to look into buying stuff from that Dark Sphere. Probably will buy the Chaos Battle Pack thing and a Squad of Zerkers which should give me everything I need for my army to least have something table worthy (Already have a Terminator Chaos Lord.)

For my AV, Still a little confused on what to get, Probably just get a Defiler like you said Wolfie, It allows me to AV and in a pinch just chuck myself at some dudes and rip them apart ^^

Man, Those magnets look like the sort of thing I was being told about Shrike, shame the P&P will shred me a new one in terms of what I'm getting for it. Although, I guess I can't really imaging myself needed to import more then the 100 for a long while since most vehicles I will be using won't have more then like 3 options that actually matter to swap around. That should be enough for about 33 vechs/walkers x3

And yeah, Shrike, You're probably right about the conversions, Will just buy the proper packs, I don't have the skills to convert and make it look so I just pay the extra costs to make it easier for myself
Shame Dark Sphere isn't stocking either 1kSons or Plague marines. In fact, The only place that are stocking 1ksons is the GW online store which is annoying. Are they making them finecraft or something...

Last question for now. With Chaos Terminator Boxsets, how many lighting claws/powerfists/general close combat weapons do they give you in the box?
Do they give you enough to kit them assault style? I'm asking this because the guy in the store said they don't contain enough for this, so I should buy a box of Assault Termintors (the vanilla ones) so I can make some Assault Termies. So yeah, is he telling me the truth or is he lying :x?
and if he ISN'T lying, is this really the cheapest way. £48~ to make a squad of assault termies seems a bit extreme, especially since I'm going to have enough left over to make an extra squad (that aren't going to look like chaos termies D

But yeah, Thanks every for taking the time to answer my noobish questions

You could also see if anyone at FLGS has any spare bits that you can have/buy. The thing with defilers is that some people love them and some people hate them. Personally I love them. I even have gone so far as to run a 1000pt game with three of them. Over the top yes, loads of fun heck ya, annoyed the feth out of a buddy of mine, double heck ya so much fun dropping plates on troops. Also for AV a good pred or land raider aren't bad either.

Mmm, Didn't think about that. Oh well, It won't be a while until I get some Terminators. I want some Berzekers and Plague marines first, and thinking about it, Getting Assault Terminators when I got berserker squads might make the termies a bit redundant xD

As for my AV, You have a good point. Going to play a game with a new friend I met in the store last week. He said he is going to bring in his Chaos army for me to play with. Will see if he has a pred and/or defiler and shall just go a bit nuts and see if I like them or not.
Tbh, I'm glad I can't really choose, Makes it more interesting making my army. With my old tau army it was too easy to pick stuff and that killed the fun of making an army for me..

I do enjoy my chaos army, by this point i have collected enough stuff that I can field several different lists and change things up. Which makes it fun. The only thing I like about chaos termies is bringing in a reaper autocannon and a squad full of champions to deep strike and cause mayhem behind enemy lines. But that's only in larger games. Also for the termies you can make them assaulty with the basic twin-linked bolter and power sword by giving them mark of khorne or mark of Slaanesh. Termies striking before most other things and ignoring armour saves, yes please.

...Did not think about the marking them slaneesh for the insta deaths. That's something to think about...
Totally agree with you on about mixing it up. The whole god thing was the reason why I picked them up. The ability to have 4 different troops out of one unit is awesome if you ask me

Huh? Only chaos lords with a daemon weapon and mark of slaanesh cause instant death.

Anti vehicle is essentialy oblits for reliable, reasonably manouverable and survivable multi-weapon platform. They can also do a decent anti infantry job when in 12" range with TL plasmaguns.

Unfortunately the models *suck*

Look into suicide terminators - chainfist + 3x combi melta is just over 100 points (120, i think) and, with little else worth it in the elite slot dont really compete for slots either. They drop in, risking the 6" range for the meltas, and if they dont mishap they can usually take out a vehicle. They then need to be shot up as otherwise a chainfist to a vehicle will hurt.

Oh. Like I said I'm new. I don't really know.

And yeah. You're right. They look terrible, and it doesn't even look like you can bulk buy them. You got to get them in singles D:

Suicide Terminators sound fun as hell, but surely they wouldn't get further then destroying one tank/vech because they would be shot up before they could run to the next one :x?

And? If that one tank is carrying TH/SS terminators (its a landraider, as an example) across the board to your lines, then wrecking it half way, forcing them to bail out and get shot up before going straight into combat - thats a good thing. Its worth the risk of 120 ish points to achieve that objective.

Or its a hydra squadron laying waste to your Rhinos, forcing your troops to walk into a hail of anti infantry fire.

Similarly if theyre shooting at your 100% *expendable* unit theyre *not* shooting at your troops choices, your fragile Rhinos carrying your troops choices, and so on. 3 terminators can take a surprising amount of fire to take down, and if they ignore them - bonus, the chanifist can make short work of vehicles. Even shaking a vehicle to stop it shooting a turn can be worth lots.

Mmm...You make a good point. That does sound slightly awesome. I didn't really look at the bigger picture, I just thought it would be a waste because people are being sent to die.

Will defiantly look into that. Also, Talking about deep striking, can you attach HQ's that can deep strike to units that can deep strike?
For example. Could I put my Chaos lord with the terminators so they come together and when they land move them around as a group or if the situation calls for it split them up. Or do I have to keep them separated and join them when they land?

Yep, as long as your lord either has termi armour OR has wnigs (as wings let you move as JI which lets you DS) you can bring them as one unit and all by DS.

You must declare that the IC is joining the unit during deployment, and then when you roll for reserves you make one roll for (IC + Unit), roll one lot of scatter, etc.

The turn after you land you will be able to then have the IC run off by himself, if you want.

Oh. Sweet. Will probably try and set up some Assault terminators (with dual lighting claws) to go with my HQ
Shame that the chaos terminator squads don't COME with enough Lighting claws to make them in one box *sadface*

Also slightly miffed by the fact I brought a box of Berzerkers last night and they don't come with a powerfist WITHIN the box :<
So I'm going to have to try and find a way to jack one of them from somewhere :/
Apparently the Chaos Battleforce has one IN there which I was looking at buy (since I want more Berzekers and I want a Rhino. If I buy it for £45 off darksphere, Anything extra in the box is extra stuff for my money ) so I might be able to nab one of them outta there. Although, I'm going to want two if I get the battle force pack since I want 2 squads of 10 ^^

Commisar Wolfie wrote:1) they can be useful because you can load them out with a heavy weapon or two unlike the special troop squads. also they are cheaper in points.
2) Most people like Oblits or the defiler, havocs aren't really worth it in my experience.
3) cheapest would be ebay or the dakka swap shop
4)again ebay or dakka swap shop
5) the magnets can be found ebay or a couple other websites(try googling) also some model hobby stores will carry them

Hope that helps somewhat

Everthing Wolfie said

I think I'm just going to buy the Assault terminators and get the World Eaters conversation Kit from Forge World. Makes them look more badass and look more the part.
Just curious though, Does anyone actually know what comes in the assault terminator kits? Is there enough for 5 dual Lighting Claw dudes?

And is there a website or something that tells you whats in each box since the boxes neglect to tell you which is freaking annoying because I like to know what I'm buying into. I need to try and find a PowerFist for my Berzerkers simply because GW neglect to put one in the box D:

And, Umm, How big a deal are Rhinos? Do I need some if I'm planning to roll berzerkers or is it possible to roll without them without making it feel like I'm tying a hand behind my back :<

Sorry for all the questions peeps, Just don't have someone I know in RL that I can just ask and THANK YOU for taking the time out of your life to answer my questions, All of you :3

Currently having transports are a really good idea. Especially for heavy cc units like zerkers. People know what they are capable of in cc and so will try and shoot them to death before that happens. HAving a transport can help the unit actually get into range for assault. Highly recommended to have.

Right, Going to want two then (I want two squads of Zerkers in my army). Will get one when I get the battleforce, will need to fork out to buy the other one separately. Although I think the second one can wait until after I buy my plauge marines and get those Terminators built ^^

The conversion kits are awesome. THey also do PA bezerker kits as well, letting you buy chaos marines and use their powerfist.

1. 1k sons are currently the worst troopchoice. Including their sorcerer they are badly overpriced and ap3 bolters look nice on paper but are lacking when you keep in mind that most marines these days know how to use cover. Normal CSM are comparatively cheap and should be kept this way. They are lacking compared to Plaquemarines but not directly bad. If you want to save some points then they are ok.
2. Obliterators are usualy considered to be Chaos's prime choice of av. Still they are overly expensive and not overly durable ( t4 :( ). Defilers look good on paper but...av 12? On that size? Are you fu***** kidding me Mr. Thorpe?
Havocs suffer from expensive weapons and the Chaos predator is unfortunately more pricey then the loyalist one.
3. At least plaque marines can be relatively easily made, with some greenstuff and a drill, from normal CSM.

1. I'm going to buy/use them mainly because I like the whole look of them. Not awesome as Plauge and Zerkers in terms of visual but better then the normal dudes. So yeah, Not going to bother me
2. Still debating where I should get my AV from, I'm thinking I'm going to get a LR and start from there. Although, I wouldn't be using it for the Las guns, Would be using it for that assault ramp on the front on the front for my zerkers
But besides that, I'm still thinking about what I should do :<
3. Yeah, I've been told its relevetively easy to do, Although I think I'm just going to pick up a pack of the Plauge marines. I'm still new to this and I rather spend a little more and have it easier then the other way round. Also, I just want to get an army together so paying a little extra to get something easier to build is right up my street

Sorry for double posting/bumping this thread, but I'm now starting at some plauge marines (just using a pack of CSM, colour them nurgle and call them plague marines) and some Bezerkers.

Problem is, I'm now stuck for what weapons I should give them.
The main points I'm thinking are,
1. Should I give my Plague Champion a Power weapon or a Power fist.
2. Should I give any of my Plague marines any plasma guns?
3. Should I give the plagues a melta (not expecting to get them near vechs though, but it might be nice in case a vech does get near me)?
4. Should I give my Bezerkers more Plasma Pistols (my skull champion is wielding a Plasma pistol and fist)

That's the main things I'm pondering :x
Will be awesome if you guys can help me with this and sorry for once again asking loads of questions x3

my opinion is
1) power weapon, power fist mainly for antivehicles
2)plasma guns are greaat for anti MEQ
3)don't waste the points on a melta unless they are going armor hunting
4)again plasma is great for MEQ killin

Thanks for the opinions Wolfie :3
Shall get more Plasma weapons into my company then ^^
I probably be able to say they are bolters in games when I'm not playing MEQ and then when I'm fighting marines, use some extra points and start using them :3
Didn't really know if they were going to be worth it (since I have a habit of rolling bad when I NEED to roll good) but I guess they probably will be.
Especially since I'm going to be playing a buddy on Monday against his nurgle army. Should stop all the FNP's that I'm probably going to have to deal with x3

ya you will really want the plasma then. Even though it can be risky I usually find them to be worth taking. Melta guns I'd save for a more fast moving unit to tank hunt with.

Yeah, the main reason I was worried about them was the shooting myself in the face problem with them, but I guess the reward outweighs the risk when fighting MEQ armies ^^
And as I said, when I'm fighting lower armour save armies, I shall just tell them to count them as bolters

Why do people talk as if Nurgle are slow btw? I've seen it being said by other people as well as you just then. They don't seem to be any different then normal CSM's...

The plasma are well worth the risk. Plague marines aren't actually slow but the image for them is a slow steady foot slog forward under fire. So really they just have a mental image of be slow.

to your first set of questions:

1) Chaos marines are great for summing daemons icons and all that good for holding places and can use the almighty Missile Launcher.
2) Definately Obliterators they are Slow and Purposeful so that means they are also rentless good for walking and multimultaing armies to death and tl heavy flamers too for them silly hoard armies.
3) Just buy em off the GW site or the store cuase you might get the models buy no bases or some such nonsense from ebay sellers not too sure about the swap shop havent traded anything
4)ebay or the swap shop again buyer beware
5)no clue

as to your second set of questions

1)you get enough stuff to kit out termies with x2 pf, x2 chainfists, one combimelta one combiflamer and 5 power weapons
2) ALWAYS TAKE METAL BOXES! it improves your troop survival

and your third set of questions
1)Plague Champs are good with PF just incase theres a vehicle
2)Def Give em plasma, not only are the MEQ killers they make short work of light vehicles too
3)not if you have a PF so no need for meltas unless you have a PW melta guns then you might need meltabombs
4)personally i dont give my Zerks any plasma cuase well i just dont personally just a PF should do it cuase you bury them in wounds in cc so that usally works but shooting doesnt hurt i guess

well thats my two cents on the matter if you want more advice just ask most of the people on dakka are nice and would be willin to help.