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So according to fluff, Lucius was resurrected by possessing anyone that killed him and felt something, because his death was so pleasurable. So if he was killed by someone with no mind, or who was incapable of emotion, would he really die, or would Slaanesh resurrect him anyway in a different body? It seems unlikely Slaanesh would restrict itself and allow its favoured champion to die just because the person that actually killed him wasn't a viable option. It always seemed more like his possession was a sadistic twist rather than a set in stone requirement.

I believe that in the event that Lucius got his head bit off by a Carnefex Slannesh would resurrect him. He is just too much fun to watch to have him benched on the sidelines. There are just too many "other" creatures in the 40K universe that could kill him, wouldn't feel anything, but more importantly just wouldn't morph into a human encased in Chaos warped armor.

The GKs are supposed to also be unfeeling/caring warriors as well. So in theory if he got done in by a GK the GK wouldn't turn into Lucius.

However, after the battle Lucius corpse may be no where to find.

Yes, I imagine Slanesh would find a vile sort of pleasure in one of its favoured champions finally falling to a little quirk in the pact that they made with it. However, maybe as the years go on after Lucius's demise the "hero" may fall prey to their fame at killing such a warrior, and thus eventually turn into him decades later. In the case of Tyranids or other unfeeling organisms then I guess I'd refer you to my first statement (though I don't think Slanesh would allow him to be killed by a falling rock or anything like that). =P

Lucius can only be resurrected in the form of someone who felt pleasure killing him, because he's a champion of the god of pleasure. If a Carnifex kills him and doesn't care, there isn't any pleasure for Slaanesh to tap into in order to make Lucius possess the Carnifex. This is just a personal theory though.

And I doubt if Saint Clestine killed Lucius she'd become him. I think he'd just be resurrected.

LoneLictor wrote:Lucius can only be resurrected in the form of someone who felt pleasure killing him, because he's a champion of the god of pleasure. If a Carnifex kills him and doesn't care, there isn't any pleasure for Slaanesh to tap into in order to make Lucius possess the Carnifex. This is just a personal theory though.

This. Chaos Gods can't do whatever they want. If there was no "pleasure", at best I could see Slaanesh getting his soul in the Warp and elevating it to Daemon Princedom so he could go back into the Materium from time to time.

It's also possible that in a battle that Lucius could have been killed without anyone knowing. Imagine a vindicator round splatters him across the ground and then maybe even the vindicator and its crew are killed, he can die for good. Slaanesh no doubt has countless beings like Lucius across time and space to keep him busy.
I'm sure even the Rubric of the Thousand Sons could be undone which would be the end for that legion but who would perform the rites? Grey Knights, Inquisition, a rival chaos group or perhaps Ahriman himself?

Also, in my opinion, Lucius is one of many Champions. Why else would he not be a Daemon Prince? After all, he's not like Abaddon who actually has a reason to not want to be one.

I figured Lucious's end will come in a nonpersonal manner. Fragged by artillery or something and the guy who did it never knows he got him.
Of course no named character in 40k is ever going to be unlucky enough to catch an earthshaker shell or similar, that happens to redshirts. (the star trek type not the GW type)

LoneLictor wrote:Also, in my opinion, Lucius is one of many Champions. Why else would he not be a Daemon Prince? After all, he's not like Abaddon who actually has a reason to not want to be one.

I'd imagine that he stays mortal just because it's more fun to kill things bigger than him than to go around stomping people into the ground.

Logically, Kharn and Typhus are the champions most likely to be Daemons by now, but GW just wants them human for some reason.

Horns and hoofs do not a demon prince make.

Going by the 3.5 Chaos codex, Lucius has enough demonic gifts to be considered a Demon Prince. He is also a psycher in that he has some always on minor chaos psychic powers. Everything about him says demon prince with the exception of his physical appearance. But that doesn't mean he isn't a monster in his own right.

And there is nothing wrong with that. Add to that his somewhat immortal status, I'd say he is a perfect representation of a gods favorite child.

Anyone think that maybe even Lucius himself would get some sick pleasure in his own death and thus fulfill his own pact with Slanessh?

He does. It's the reason Slaanesh resurrected him in the first place. He's always on the look out for someone as good as him because he thinks being killed painfully is so pleasurable.

He basically gets resurrected regardless.


although the hilarious "problems" that could arise with certain foes would certaintly be entertaining.


"Yo Slannesh, i got killed by a Grot"

*Slannesh Facepalms


"Yo Slannesh, I got killed by a Monolith"

*Headdesk


"Yo Slannesh, I tripped on a rock"

*Double Facepalm

....

Well... getting killed by a grot might be pleasurable. And it could be a pointy rock.

Getting hit in the head by a bar and dieing is his weakness, him falling into the sun.
Slaanesh some point or another would give up on him sooner or later as Slaanesh gets bored eventually/very quickly.

Asherian Command wrote:Getting hit in the head by a bar and dieing is his weakness, him falling into the sun.
Slaanesh some point or another would give up on him sooner or later as Slaanesh gets bored eventually/very quickly.

Considering the entire Horus Heresy took only a moment of the chaos gods attention, I would agree that Slaanesh cares very little for her "favored champion"

Luciuss getting killed by debris from a dogfight above the battlefield

Sorry, was watching fails of the weak...

what if he was killed by kharn?
that would enrage knorne if this champion turn to pink...

You get a Bloodthirsty Homicidal maniack with PMS?

Durza wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:Also, in my opinion, Lucius is one of many Champions. Why else would he not be a Daemon Prince? After all, he's not like Abaddon who actually has a reason to not want to be one.

I'd imagine that he stays mortal just because it's more fun to kill things bigger than him than to go around stomping people into the ground.

Logically, Kharn and Typhus are the champions most likely to be Daemons by now, but GW just wants them human for some reason.

Kharn is human (well, Astartes) still because Khorne likes him that way. Khorne likes the amount of carnage he causes as he is, and blesses him accordingly, and even resurrects him when he dies. Kharn isn't becoming a daemon prince any time soon.

I wish Space Marines could succumb to disease; it'd be amusing to see Lucius come back as a bacterium.

Then again, I guess bacteria doesn't take pride in its kills...


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flota wrote:what if he was killed by kharn?
that would enrage knorne if this champion turn to pink...

Well since Khorne protects his followers from psychic powers 'n' what not I imagine he might safeguard him from Slaanesh's meddlings.

Henners91 wrote:I wish Space Marines could succumb to disease; it'd be amusing to see Lucius come back as a bacterium.

Then again, I guess bacteria doesn't take pride in its kills...

I dunno, Nurgle might have a virus like that in his pot.

Or he could die to some exotic and lethal STD?

My personal theory is that if Lucius is killed by a necron or a carnifex etc, someone, not nessesarily the killer, will have some benefit or pleasure from his death as they eventually find out. It could be a soldier or civilian who's family or friends were killed by Lucius, or another Emperor's Children Astartes who would benefit from his death by becoming a Lord Commander of the warband in Lucius's place, etc. This individual would be the one who is possessed by Lucius.

-Loki- wrote:

Henners91 wrote:I wish Space Marines could succumb to disease; it'd be amusing to see Lucius come back as a bacterium.

Then again, I guess bacteria doesn't take pride in its kills...

I dunno, Nurgle might have a virus like that in his pot.

Opa Nurgle is always happy so if the nurgles rot kills him dose that mean he becomes nurgle???
naaahhhhh, But I think Slaanesh would likley reward him with a "special" spot in his dusty closet next to the painting of Fulgrim. Besides you dont want to know what else is that closet of his...

Now I have an image of Lucius deliberatly getting himself killed just so he can get to Isha

Just send a Necron Overlord to do it. If the Silent King did it, Slaanesh would probably be shocked to realize that the Silent King has no soul to consume in order to resurrect Lucius from...all the while Tzeentch smirks in the background.


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Grey Templar wrote:Now I have an image of Lucius deliberatly getting himself killed just so he can get to Isha

If Nurgle doesn't crush him like a bug, or rot his intestines and rip it out his mouth first...

Necropost much, guys?

Hahaha love the idea he dies to dangerous terrain or a depressed inquisitor who orders an exterminatus on his own homeworld

sumi808 wrote:Hahaha love the idea he dies to dangerous terrain or a depressed inquisitor who orders an exterminatus on his own homeworld

"Trips on a rock and falls into volcanic fissure...looks up and sees a cyclonic torpedo moments before it drops right on top of him..."
- Slaanesh bangs his/her/it's head against a wall while Khorne, Nurgle, and Isha share a laugh at his/her/it's expense.