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Me Again!

I was thinking about the oldest warriors or people in the 40K universe and thought that Bjorn the Fellhanded and Abbadon the Despoiler are the oldest (apart from the Emperor). I was chatting to one of the GW chaps and he said Huron Blackheart might be older than these two, is this the case? Or are there older warriors out there?

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Eldar are the oldest, but Huron is definitely younger then Bjorn and Abbaddon.

Asdrubael Vect is the oldest guy in the Galaxy right now I think. He claims to have witnessed the Fall of the Eldar.

Coolyo294 wrote:Eldar are the oldest, but Huron is definetely younger then Bjorn and Abbaddon.

So which of the Eldar would be the oldest? Because race wise humans and eldar are both very old!

Commander Dante is the oldest living loyalist Space Marine in the Imperium (excluding Dreadnoughts).

Wulfen Andy wrote:

Coolyo294 wrote:Eldar are the oldest, but Huron is definetely younger then Bjorn and Abbaddon.

So which of the Eldar would be the oldest? Because race wise humans and eldar are both very old!

Asbrudeal Vect, Supreme Grand Poobah of the Dark Eldar.

Easy. The C'tan. Barring that, the Necrons. Here before the warp became turbulent. Here before the Eldar were a twinkle in the old ones' eyes. Easy.

Barring that... Pick a Chaos entity connected with anyone but slaanesh. Go ahead. That is older than any eldar or dark eldar.

Eldrad is rather old (if we count his bodiless mind...)

But yeah, Asdrubael is the oldest mortal being in the galaxy right now I believe.

Iranna.

Coolyo294 wrote:

Wulfen Andy wrote:

Coolyo294 wrote:Eldar are the oldest, but Huron is definetely younger then Bjorn and Abbaddon.

So which of the Eldar would be the oldest? Because race wise humans and eldar are both very old!

Asbrudeal Vect, Supreme Grand Poobah of the Dark Eldar.

haha, while I may not know much about this area of fluff. supreme grand poobah does sound rather threatening..

Coolyo294 wrote:

Wulfen Andy wrote:

Coolyo294 wrote:Eldar are the oldest, but Huron is definetely younger then Bjorn and Abbaddon.

So which of the Eldar would be the oldest? Because race wise humans and eldar are both very old!

Asbrudeal Vect, Supreme Grand Poobah of the Dark Eldar.

Aka: Asbrudeal Vect, the Original Space Pimp

Definitely not Huron, he's a 41st millennium boy, 10,000 years younger than Abaddon, Bjorn and the chaps from the great crusade. If any of the primarchs who haven't ascended to daemonhood were still alive (possibly Russ, Vulkan, Corax, Omegon), they would, presumably, be older than any Astartes, if they counted for the purposes of the question.

I don't know whether the C'tan or the Old Ones would count as 'alive' in normal terms. Were we looking specifically for organics, it might be possible Slann from the time of the war in heaven still to be alive. Otherwise, Asdrubael's probably a good choice, though if he were, as he is described, young (though 'young' for an Eldar might still be centuries-old) at the time of the fall of the Eldar, then he might not be all that much older than Bjorn and his fellows, and presumably much younger than the Emperor (who may or may not be deemed 'alive').

Vect and Dante are the oldest, with Vect being older.

Happygrunt wrote:Vect and Dante are the oldest, with Vect being older.

Dante is 1k years old.

Bjorn fought with Russ, Abbadabbadoodon fought with Horus.

If you don't count necrons (They are practically lifeless machines) then The Swarmlord.

....He still counts....

yamgrenade wrote:If you don't count necrons (They are practically lifeless machines) then The Swarmlord.

....He still counts....

If he dies, he's dead. We can't count clones as the same person.

Chowderhead wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:Vect and Dante are the oldest, with Vect being older.

Dante is 1k years old.

Bjorn fought with Russ, Abbadabbadoodon fought with Horus.

Bjorn is in a dread, so disqualified, and Abbadon is part daemon, so immortal, so also disqualified.

Happygrunt wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:Vect and Dante are the oldest, with Vect being older.

Dante is 1k years old.

Bjorn fought with Russ, Abbadabbadoodon fought with Horus.

Bjorn is in a dread, so disqualified, and Abbadon is part daemon, so immortal, so also disqualified.

Er... No. Dreads are still alive, and Bjorn still fights. Abbadabbadoodon, he's gifted, not part deamon.

Happygrunt wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:Vect and Dante are the oldest, with Vect being older.

Dante is 1k years old.

Bjorn fought with Russ, Abbadabbadoodon fought with Horus.

Bjorn is in a dread, so disqualified, and Abbadon is part daemon, so immortal, so also disqualified.

The C'tan are the oldest beings in the universe, being as old as the universe itself.

Following them are their Necron servants.

After that is the Emperor... Though him being "alive" is arguable.

If you are only counting "mortals," probably Vect and the occasional really old Haemonculi, Vect IIRC predates Slaanesh.

Chowderhead wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:Vect and Dante are the oldest, with Vect being older.

Dante is 1k years old.

Bjorn fought with Russ, Abbadabbadoodon fought with Horus.

Bjorn is in a dread, so disqualified, and Abbadon is part daemon, so immortal, so also disqualified.

Er... No. Dreads are still alive, and Bjorn still fights. Abbadabbadoodon, he's gifted, not part deamon.

Bjorn has never counted because he is a dreadnought, and dreadnoughts are not living people. If I took dreadnought away, Bjorn is dead. If I took Dante's armor away, he would be naked and angry.

I still don't think Abbadon counts because of the daemonic gifts. Being gifted by nurgle is like being a zombie, and we all know zombie's aren't alive.

Eldrad now that I think about it might be nearly or even as old as Vect, he was a Farseer before the Heresy even started.

And THIS is why you read the first post. I thought we were talking about organic, living things.

Phoenix Lords if you count them are really friggin' old, tens of millions at least.

Void__Dragon wrote:Eldrad now that I think about it might be nearly or even as old as Vect, he was a Farseer before the Heresy even started.

Well Eldrad died in the 13th Black Crusade.

Void__Dragon wrote:Eldrad now that I think about it might be nearly or even as old as Vect, he was a Farseer before the Heresy even started.

Void__Dragon wrote:Phoenix Lords if you count them are really friggin' old, tens of millions at least.

I'd forgotten Eldrad, does he make any remarks in Fulgrim about his age? Ignoring the fact he's presently presumed dead, I'd even guess he might be older than Vect. The Phoenix Lords, however, are described as being from the time of the fall, so would be 10 - 15,000 years old, not millions.

CREEEEEEEEEED

Because he uses tactical Genuis to Hide from Time and never ages.

Happygrunt wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:Vect and Dante are the oldest, with Vect being older.

Dante is 1k years old.

Bjorn fought with Russ, Abbadabbadoodon fought with Horus.

Bjorn is in a dread, so disqualified, and Abbadon is part daemon, so immortal, so also disqualified.

Er... No. Dreads are still alive, and Bjorn still fights. Abbadabbadoodon, he's gifted, not part deamon.

Bjorn has never counted because he is a dreadnought, and dreadnoughts are not living people. If I took dreadnought away, Bjorn is dead. If I took Dante's armor away, he would be naked and angry.

I still don't think Abbadon counts because of the daemonic gifts. Being gifted by nurgle is like being a zombie, and we all know zombie's aren't alive.

Does being on life support mean you are dead? No. A Dred is giant life support. Thus, a Dreadnaught is a living thing.

And Plague marines are very much alive. Alive enough so that I can kill 'em. So yeah, Abbadabbadoodon is living.

And what about Kharn?

English Assassin wrote:I'd forgotten Eldrad, does he make any remarks in Fulgrim about his age? Ignoring the fact he's presently presumed dead, I'd even guess he might be older than Vect. The Phoenix Lords, however, are described as being from the time of the fall, so would be 10 - 15,000 years old, not millions.

No, but Eldrad is still a Farseer, which I assume takes a while to become.

Huh, weird, I misremembered then, I was under the impression they originated from the War in Heaven.

The C'tan.

C'tan Unknown
Necrons Unknown
Khorne Nurgle Tzeench aprox the war in heaven
The Emperor 30000+ years Pre Fall
Tyranids At least 10000 years Pre Fall
Various Living Primarchs and Really old CSMs Pre Fall
Vect Pre Fall?
Eldrad Pre Fall?
Pheonix Lords The Fall
More Really Old CSMs Great Crusade

Then alot of Eldar/Dark Eldar/eventually space marines (dante being the oldest)

The thing that struck me as most odd is that Orks really have relatively short lifespans. Even the bosses.