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2011/09/17 02:54:31
Subject: Simple Maths 1+2*2=?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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After the failure to show the poll in the other thread, I'll try again.
What is the answer to the above maths question? It came up earlier this evening and ended up with 6 at 6 and 3 at 5.
I just wondered what other people thought?
Cheers
Andrew
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2011/09/17 02:56:07
Subject: Simple Maths 1+2*2=?
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2011/09/17 02:58:12
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Is this like those weird facebook groups that put up maths questions to display how some people are utterly incapable of performing the most basic mathematical functions?
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2011/09/17 03:00:39
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Hellacious Havoc
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I think he wants to prove that he is smart then us at 2nd grade math
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2011/09/17 03:04:07
Subject: Simple Maths 1+2*2=?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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No, just to figure out the different take on this question. When I was at school the answer was 5 because the multiplication took precendence over the addition, but now schools are teaching that precedence is taken from the left, ie the addition comes first so the answer is 6.
Just wondered what everyone else thought?
Cheers
Andrew
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2011/09/17 03:07:19
Subject: Simple Maths 1+2*2=?
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Hellacious Havoc
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In America they don't teach that
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2011/09/17 03:11:56
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AndrewC wrote:No, just to figure out the different take on this question. When I was at school the answer was 5 because the multiplication took precendence over the addition, but now schools are teaching that precedence is taken from the left, ie the addition comes first so the answer is 6.
Just wondered what everyone else thought?
Cheers
Andrew
Wait, some schools in NZ are overthrowing the globally and mathematically accepted order of operations? On what basis? I haven't heard of any changes in the maths world.
They're just plain teaching it wrong, and those teachers (or those who came up with the idea) should be fired, because what they're planting in the heads of our next generation is absolute BS.
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2011/09/17 03:15:05
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So this is how china is beating us in math, tehy got Tzeentch to change the math in their favor!
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2011/09/17 03:18:02
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Avatar 720 wrote:Wait, some schools in NZ are overthrowing the globally and mathematically accepted order of operations? On what basis? I haven't heard of any changes in the maths world.
They're just plain teaching it wrong, and those teachers (or those who came up with the idea) should be fired, because what they're planting in the heads of our next generation is absolute BS.
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Cheers
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2011/09/17 03:24:59
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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AndrewC wrote:Avatar 720 wrote:Wait, some schools in NZ are overthrowing the globally and mathematically accepted order of operations? On what basis? I haven't heard of any changes in the maths world.
They're just plain teaching it wrong, and those teachers (or those who came up with the idea) should be fired, because what they're planting in the heads of our next generation is absolute BS.
Geography as well That's a Falkland Isles flag!
Cheers
Andrew
Looks NZ from a distance. I blame Hitler.
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2011/09/17 03:33:20
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
In your base, ignoring your logic.
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How dare they change the "Please Bob Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally" approach to math!
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2011/09/17 03:38:49
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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AndrewC wrote:now schools are teaching that precedence is taken from the left, ie the addition comes first so the answer is 6.
Cheers
Andrew
Are you serious? This fundamentally changes maths. This is several orders of magnitude worse than teachers allowing phonetic spelling.
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2011/09/17 03:43:57
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
In your base, ignoring your logic.
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Well they say that Pluto isn't a planet anymore, and Tatooine now exists. Then there's the triceratops issue, the world of hard sciences is changing.
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2011/09/17 03:56:16
Subject: Simple Maths 1+2*2=?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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halonachos wrote:Well they say that Pluto isn't a planet anymore, and Tatooine now exists. Then there's the triceratops issue, the world of hard sciences is changing.
Yes, but those aren't real things that matter. We use math to build things. If the math is wrong those things may fall down. Pluto's status as a planet will not affect the structural integrity of a bridge.
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2011/09/17 04:19:24
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halonachos wrote:Well they say that Pluto isn't a planet anymore, and Tatooine now exists. Then there's the triceratops issue, the world of hard sciences is changing.
The triceratops thing isn't an "issue" or even a change, in my opinion. Dinosaurs being reclassified based upon improved understanding of the fossil record has been an integral part of paleontology since the very beginning and will continue to do so; ask any kid who knew what a "brontosaurus" was.
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2011/09/17 04:40:36
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Phanobi
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2 people dont know proper math. you do all the * and / 1st, THEN you do + and -.
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2011/09/17 04:49:57
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That poll makes me sad.
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2011/09/17 05:03:01
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Looking online it seems that PEMDAS should still be in effect. I didn't see much (though admittedly I didn't look very hard) to say that things were changing.
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2011/09/17 05:11:40
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
In your base, ignoring your logic.
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feeder wrote:halonachos wrote:Well they say that Pluto isn't a planet anymore, and Tatooine now exists. Then there's the triceratops issue, the world of hard sciences is changing.
Yes, but those aren't real things that matter. We use math to build things. If the math is wrong those things may fall down. Pluto's status as a planet will not affect the structural integrity of a bridge.
Pluto could get angry and smash the bridge in revenge.
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2011/09/17 05:43:01
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halonachos wrote:feeder wrote:halonachos wrote:Well they say that Pluto isn't a planet anymore, and Tatooine now exists. Then there's the triceratops issue, the world of hard sciences is changing.
Yes, but those aren't real things that matter. We use math to build things. If the math is wrong those things may fall down. Pluto's status as a planet will not affect the structural integrity of a bridge.
Pluto could get angry and smash the bridge in revenge.
This is also true...
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2011/09/17 06:04:00
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Ahtman wrote:Looking online it seems that PEMDAS should still be in effect. I didn't see much (though admittedly I didn't look very hard) to say that things were changing.
I couldn't find anything either, although it may have been a half-hearted effort on my part; but then again, one would expect such a large change in the world of maths to have made some headlines if it had happened, so the lack of evidence on the first few pages of Google speaks volumes about how likely (or rather, unlikely) this is to have changed.
I've also got several close friends who have studied high level mathematics and haven't encountered anything to say there's been a change.
Why kids are being taught basic maths differently (and incorrectly when applied to the current world of mathematics) is beyond me.
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Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
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2011/09/17 06:04:32
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I cry whenever I see these type of questions of Facebook, especially when the equation involves a zero. Although the way some people try to rationalise their stupidity is usually quite entertaining.
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2011/09/17 06:23:59
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It's five, not six.
Regardless of maths formula *moving on* essentially, its that this works. I have always been taught, even in my advanced maths classes, that formula is done this way. Devision, Multiplication, then subtractions and finally additions. However, brackets also make a difference, but not in this!
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2011/09/17 07:25:27
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I'm not all that great at math and haven't taken a math class in something like six years, but even I remember PEMDAS:
1+2x2=5. if it was (1+2)2 THEN the correct answer would be 6. C'mon, people, this is elementary school stuff.
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2011/09/17 08:15:05
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^^ Exactly. The answer to the OPs question is 5, if they wanted the answer to be 6 you'd need brackets.
If there is some sort of hair-brained idea that math should be done left to right instead of BEDMAS (Brackets, exponents, division, multiplication, addition, subtraction), then wouldn't the bracket become obsolete?
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2011/09/17 08:19:55
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Who is the fool teaching that operations are done from left to right? We must stop this heresy!
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LoneLictor on thread about an ork choking the Emperor:
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Then Horus comes across the lone grot, somehow managing to kill the Emperor, and punts it into space.
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2011/09/17 08:24:30
Subject: Re:Simple Maths 1+2*2=?
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Noble of the Alter Kindred
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ask any kid who knew what a "brontosaurus" was
*raises hand* oo oo oo I know the answer sir!!
Emily, Charlotte or Anne after 15 lagers and a Vindaloo!
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2011/09/17 08:27:33
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Where did the term PEDMAS come from? I don't remember it when I was going to school although I understand the order of operations... we just didn't flaunt around an acronym for it.
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2011/09/17 08:28:34
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Wicked Warp Spider
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don't know about PEDMAS, but I used BIDMAS standing for
Brackets
Indices
Division
Multiplication
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LoneLictor on thread about an ork choking the Emperor:
LoneLictor wrote:I like to imagine the Emperor kills so many Orks that he ends up half buried beneath a pile of corpses, with only his head sticking out. A lone grot stumbles across him, and starts choking him.
Then Horus comes across the lone grot, somehow managing to kill the Emperor, and punts it into space.
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2011/09/17 08:49:56
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Noble of the Alter Kindred
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P must be for Parentheses (ie brackets)
E (after a google) must be for Exponentiation (ie Indices)
The act of raising a number to a power
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