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Just saw on the GW site that the Harlequin squad box for £18.50 is listed as no longer available.

Would have thought this is quite a good indicator that they will be released in Finecast soon enough, especially as they are playable units in 2 codices as well as being beautiful models.

Praise be that I haven't bought any yet then!

The other Harlequins are already finecast so this makes sense.

I'm glad I already own the metal ones, they are fragile enough as it is. Finecast will be more fragile and more expensive.

BrassScorpion wrote:I'm glad I already own the metal ones, they are fragile enough as it is. Finecast will be more fragile and more expensive.

You have to hand it to GW.

They are one of the few companies that could switch to CHEAPER materials and than raise the prices on already expensive product.

That my friends, business.

Good, i really want to paint some harlies. But don't particulary like metal models.

Good find Decap.

Finecast harlequins will be a nightmare.

All those thin, fine loincloth/base attachements will snap and then you have to come up with something else.

Even the metals are fragile.

skrulnik wrote:Finecast harlequins will be a nightmare. All those thin, fine loincloth/base attachements will snap and then you have to come up with something else. Even the metals are fragile.

My point exactly. I actually welcomed the elimination of metal because of the issues with paint chipping, weight, fragility, pinning, etc. But for certain models like the Harlequins the Finecast is so fragile that it will have a lot of problems trying not to break off the tiny details.

I just ordered a box of metal harlies from an online retailer precisely because it was apparent they were making the transition to finecast. The harlies have to be some of if not the worst 40k sculpts to move to fine cast.

BrassScorpion wrote:

skrulnik wrote:Finecast harlequins will be a nightmare. All those thin, fine loincloth/base attachements will snap and then you have to come up with something else. Even the metals are fragile.

My point exactly. I actually welcomed the elimination of metal because of the issues with paint chipping, weight, fragility, pinning, etc. But for certain models like the Harlequins the Finecast is so fragile that it will have a lot of problems trying not to break off the tiny details.

If you paint finecast with a thin coat of thin superglue it absorbs it and goes rigid and acts more like Forgeworld resin. I'd rather drop a finecast model than a metal one as it has less mass/weight and less impact.

Harlequins, Howling Banshees, Fire Dragons and Swooping Hawks are all unavailable.

I really hope they are all released in Finecast. I hate metal models...

I'll stick with my circa-1989 Harlies, thanks.

BrassScorpion wrote:I'm glad I already own the metal ones, they are fragile enough as it is. Finecast will be more fragile and more expensive.

Finecast is not more fragile.

Harlies will be much better in finecast actually. Have any of you guys actually USED finecast yet? Those thin joints are horrible because of the higher mass of the upper body. Finecast is nice and light, it'll stay together a lot more like plastic would.

The problem will be that 50-75% of the models received will be broken on the sprue. Once assembled though... well I personally think it debatable as to how much more or less resilient resin is over metal, sure it weighs less and is less likely to break if dropped off a table but seems to be much more brittle, at least those that I've had do, and those think and brittle sections will snap easy imho

They're too small. It's like ant legs. Small brittle sections take way more force proportional to their size to break them and since they're light, they won't be getting that force from falling.

Or plastics. I'd much prefer that over finecast. Metal would be preferable, but I'm afraid GW doesn't agree.

I've had my fair share of bad finecast DE sculpts.

but one thing I can say is they are not brittle. Droping them off a table will be less likely to break then a metal model would because of the force on impact, and the way the material takes to glue.

So fine cast is bendy, but not brittle. bendy actually lets it absorb more impact. Just make sure to open your packs in store in case of bad sculpts.

kitch102 wrote:The problem will be that 50-75% of the models received will be broken on the sprue.

Wow you can see the future! That's amazing!

I know! Usually it's a curse, but when it comes to finecast purchases it really helps me out

Nah, ok, maybe that was a bit of a shotgun statement to make on my part, but still, can't help but think that these'll snap off far too easily in travel cases etc

Finecast is not more fragile.

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. In fact, some of it can be quite brittle and the tiny little extremely thin bits like fingers or thin rods or poles on some of the smaller, finer minis are quite fragile and much easier to break than when those parts were in pewter. Extremely thin parts in pewter tended to bend before breaking, some of the Finecast is coming out rather brittle and tiny bits just break off under pressure or impact, sometimes while cutting them from their sprues similarly to some of the tinier bits from Forge World.

Bingo baby.

Interestingly, the Harlequins are available again on the UK site (not checked the others). Both through the eldar & DE pages, and also the picture links that you get on the home page of each force.

Note this is the troupe of 5 and blister packs aswell.

Worglock wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:I'm glad I already own the metal ones, they are fragile enough as it is. Finecast will be more fragile and more expensive.

Finecast is not more fragile.

Yeah, tell that to me after the dagger hilts of my Lelith broke off. There are some things that don't reproduce well in finecast, sorry.

I'm mixed feelings on the quins myself.....I do like how they're all lithe and slender compared to the 1989 harlies. Like you can really tell that they're elves out of armor. I like the current models from the waste up, not joking. I think they're beautifully detailed. But man, the poses the sculptors chose for the legs suck suck. Legs in missionary position flying through the air....suck. Legs in flying kick positions with the loincloth descending forward (against the wind/inertia)....suck. GQuin legs are a full size smaller than the other quin legs....you guessed it. I wished the sculptors would have taken some hints from the 89 line and not botched that boxset up so bad. Some switch out arms to mix up the options a bit better would have been good too. /rant (Sorry)


I think that if they do harlies in FC that they'll need to be handled with a lot of care to avoid snapping stuff off. Thos are very slim models with a lot of detail that could be miscast, airbubbled or otherwise f'd over if mishandled. Caveat Emptor.

PS
I really do like the idea of GW resins (pricepoint aside, that a whole different (rant)(/rant). Right now they've only been in the business for less than six months. I tell myself that I won't fully trust them (I've got a few FCs at this time) untill they've been doing it for 12-18 months. I don't like how metals chip paint, so I love resin for that reason. Right now I'm at this spot where I'd like to buy a new box every now or then and I won't. I don't wanna buy the metals because eventually I'd like to get them in resin, and I don't want to buy the resin because they are immature molds and casters. I guess next summer can't come fast enough. Until then plastics and painting down the pile of old purchases.

It certainly looks like a finecast release, as GW has released finecast stuff in batches that focus on particular armies.

I wonder how this relates to the new Eldar codex. If these minis are rereleased in Finecast before a new codex, I would assume that it means the new book is a ways in the future. However, maybe GW will surprise us and release the new codex soon. Maybe some of the units will even be plastic, although that is very doubtful given all of the other plastic stuff as of late.

Wow I've felt as if Finecast was sturdier than metal since it weighs much less, at least only if you drop it.

spaceelf wrote:It certainly looks like a finecast release, as GW has released finecast stuff in batches that focus on particular armies.

I wonder how this relates to the new Eldar codex. If these minis are rereleased in Finecast before a new codex, I would assume that it means the new book is a ways in the future. However, maybe GW will surprise us and release the new codex soon. Maybe some of the units will even be plastic, although that is very doubtful given all of the other plastic stuff as of late.

So long as the codex is released after 6th ed I'll be happy.

Check the AU site, they all seems to be there.

Well it could mean they are slowly taking away Eldar (they are Eldar uints right?) stuff so they are not for sale no more and be redone for a new codex?

I know, not most likely but just a thought.

Actually as a second thought, they're also a Dark Eldar unit, so it may simply be tieing in with them and have nothing to do with Craftworld Eldar.

Pyro-Druid wrote:Actually as a second thought, they're also a Dark Eldar unit, so it may simply be tieing in with them and have nothing to do with Craftworld Eldar.

Not only Harlequins are gone, but Fire Dragons and Howling Banshees too.

The boxed set is still on the website but it's listed as 'no longer available', which was what I said originally.