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It says that the Alpha legion are still loyal to the emporor but joined chaos so that it would be destroyed. I have a few questions about this:

#1. How come they have fully embraced the ways of chaos and not returned to the imperium after being defeated at Terra?
#2. They had to kill the emperor to destroy chaos so how can they be loyal to the emperor when they are trying to kill him?
#3. If they are trying to kill the emperor then why is their battlecry,"for the emperor!"?

At first they were loyal but turned traitor to save the Imperium, after everything went tits up they had already gone too far. They know the Imperium will never take them back so they just stick with being Traitors.

Do they continue to fight the enemies of the imperium or do they fight against the imperium or even against chaos? also I forgot to mention who was Omega and does he have any relation to the Omega Marines?

They've played the role of heretic for so long that they've fully become one themselves.

DauntedFungus123 wrote:Do they continue to fight the enemies of the imperium or do they fight against the imperium or even against chaos? also I forgot to mention who was Omega and does he have any relation to the Omega Marines?

Yeah, they're Chaos Marines. Some may still be 'secretly' loyal to the Imperium, but spending that long in the Eye of Terror would pervert even the most noble cause, so most likely alot of them are Chaos for true. Some may fight other Chaos factions to further their own ends though.

Dont know who Omega is, but Omegon is Alpharius' twin brother, and together act as the Primarch of the Alpha Legion.

Alpha Legion is very secret.

So secret that they can't really be Imperium fighters anymore, even if some of them are very different than common SMC. That said, most warbands must have forget (or never knew) about the little "loyal traitors among the other traitors" plan as depicted in Legion.

Anyway, it's very nice to think that some could potentially have a step ahead and a good global vision of what-to-do, as lonely loyalist...

This kind of situation, legend or whatever it is, do not require other answer than assumptions.

Omegon has no relation what so ever (so far at least) to the Omega Marines.

Also nobody actually knows where the Alpha Legions allegiances really lye. Anybody who suggests otherwise is just speculating.

1. Even if the Alpha Legion ever had any inclination of actualy fighting chaos ( you know, instead of being deceived by a bunch of aliens ) they would not have been accepted back into the Imperium after what they had done during the Horus Heresy. After they failed to destroy the Imperium there was no going back. Whatever they might have once planed was now no longer possible. Fully embracing chaos could have been one way to survive that situation.

2. They idea was that by destroying the Imperium of Man they could somehow burn out chaos in some kind of final armageddon ( caused by a guilt ridden Horus ) and therefore stay true to the carriongod's goal of containing the dark gods. The idea is, of course, idiotic for chaos exists as long as there are self aware beings.

3. Their warcry is "For the Emprah" because they like deception and confusion. Most imperial citizens and even the soldiers of the guard will have never seen a spacemarine in their lifes. For them one faction of psychotic supermen might not look much different from another faction of psychotic supermen. Another reason could be that they simply mock their loyalist, emperor bothering brethren.

1: They have not fully embraced the ways of Chaos. They never summon daemons or use daemonic gifts. That's the cultists' job.

2: They believed that once Horus took over humanity, each Chaos god would pour power into their factions of the species during the ensuing war in the hopes of becoming the dominant god at the end. However, the total eradication of humanity would leave each god weakened to a point where they no longer existed.

3: For the lolz.

Alpha legion have broken up into warbands led by different people with different ideas on chaos.

The faithless is an alpha legion warband led by arkos the faithless he worships chaos so they do too.

The real answer is that Legion was published after Codex: Chaos Marines, and has retconned the Alpha Legion's background. Depending upon which comes first, either a later Horus Heresy novel or the 6th Edition Codex will clear up the apparent inconsistency.

Mr Nobody wrote:They've played the role of heretic for so long that they've fully become one themselves.

You start wearing a mask for so long, you forget who you were beneath it...

My guess is as good as any, but I'm going to say that probably there are some fragments of it still trying to accomplish what the y first set out to do, and others that have completely turned either just renegade or to chaos.

thanks. I was really confused before. The alien race who told them how to destroy chaos (the cabal or kabal) were they deamons who forsaw that horus would lose anyway but wanted alpha legion on their side or were they just a race trying to save themselves from chaos.

They were Xenos trying to fight chaos, possibly related to the Interex, but that's not confirmed

Despite what their original intentions are they're very much children of Chaos now. They regularly summon daemons, have inflicted enormous destruction on the Imperium for no seen benefit to it, and there are multiple members who have become Daemon Princes. I put Alpha Legion as the most threatening CSM force to the Imperium after Black Legion itself.

Regularly summon daemons? Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the old 3rd ed codex have daemon packs only accessible through the use of cultists?

I won't deny though that they have at least one daemon prince in fluff.

plus the fact they never went into the eye of terror, they split off to do whatever it is the Alpha Legion do.

plus the fact they never went into the eye of terror, they split off to do whatever it is the Alpha Legion do.

Which is?

DauntedFungus123 wrote:

plus the fact they never went into the eye of terror, they split off to do whatever it is the Alpha Legion do.

Which is?

Sorry, having never read Legion, is it implied or overtly stated that Alpha Legion were loyalists, now? if so, that's a pretty interesting direction they took it...

Maybe I'm confused but I was under the impression that part of alpha legions's double-agent business was tied to ideas about the star-child and the senseis, but were left in limbo once GW abandoned those ideas.

Oakenshield wrote:Maybe I'm confused but I was under the impression that part of alpha legions's double-agent business was tied to ideas about the star-child and the senseis, but were left in limbo once GW abandoned those ideas.

You are confused...
The AL was never connected with that...
Though if it had been continued i have no doubt they would have played some part in that.

purplefood wrote:

Oakenshield wrote:Maybe I'm confused but I was under the impression that part of alpha legions's double-agent business was tied to ideas about the star-child and the senseis, but were left in limbo once GW abandoned those ideas.

You are confused...
The AL was never connected with that...
Though if it had been continued i have no doubt they would have played some part in that.

Yeah, the whole idea of killing the Emperor so that he can be reborn or mosh around in the warp kinda makes sense.

Harriticus wrote:Despite what their original intentions are they're very much children of Chaos now. They regularly summon daemons, have inflicted enormous destruction on the Imperium for no seen benefit to it, and there are multiple members who have become Daemon Princes. I put Alpha Legion as the most threatening CSM force to the Imperium after Black Legion itself.

The Alpha Legion never summon daemons. They use cultists to do it.

I wouldn't say it's even possible to place the AL and BL in the same bracket. The Black Legion is a hammer someone's swinging at you. The Alpha Legion is cancer.

Maybe I'm confused but I was under the impression that part of alpha legions's double-agent business was tied to ideas about the star-child and the senseis, but were left in limbo once GW abandoned those ideas.

What is star child and sensies?

A theory that involves the resurrection of the Emperor, through the Senseis, who are his descendants or whatever. I believe it's been retconned though but Im not sure.

The Star Child and Senseis and Illuminati hasn't been officially retconned. But, it hasn't been brought up by GW for a long time.

As for the Alpha Legion, they are completely loyal. It is the Imperium of Man itself that has betrayed humanity, and SM forces that follow them are the real traitors.

The reasons the the Alpha Legion betrayed the Imperium may not have been run-of-the-mill but now they are just run-of-the mill Chaos Marines.

Ronin wrote:A theory that involves the resurrection of the Emperor, through the Senseis, who are his descendants or whatever. I believe it's been retconned though but Im not sure.

The rantings of cultists lead by a Lord of Change.

There is no Star Child.

If the Emperor dies, mankind will fall into complete darkness. Chaos already sees his light dimming and understand from their perspective that his power isn't getting stronger, he is in fact getting weaker, his light dimming according to the rule book.