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2012/01/10 20:14:41
Subject: Who calls the shots in the Imperium?
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With the Emperor being a vegetable and all... can he give 'orders' from his current physical state or do they have a stand in? Or does the imperium kind of act on its own from planet to planet?
Sorry Im not very well versed in the fluff of the game
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2012/01/10 20:15:47
Subject: Re:Who calls the shots in the Imperium?
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The High Lords of Terra.
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2012/01/10 20:32:39
Subject: Who calls the shots in the Imperium?
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The Imperium is incredibly de-centralized. While the high lords may be responsible for some particularly high level organizational decisions, most decisions are made at a much lower level. 99% of the laws you follow are dictated by your planetary government, whatever form that takes. Your military structure is also dictated by your local planets military, who are then organized by higher level organizations up to the sector fleet level. Sector fleets are almost completely autonomous from each-other.
Everything is organized in different places at different levels, which is a big reason why the military uses las weaponry that can be charged anywhere, it makes them autonomous. Most organizations attempt to be as autonomous as possible.
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2012/01/10 21:07:36
Subject: Who calls the shots in the Imperium?
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The most powerful and influential of the High Lords of Terra is the Master of the Administratum. He's the closest thing that exists to a single figure who "calls the shots". We saw what Vandire could do with the position.
That being said the Imperium is a delicate balance of various agencies from the Administratum to the Ecclesiarchy to the 5 Segmentum Lord Commanders. No agency or individual truly dominates all the others.
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2015/01/11 12:31:24
Subject: Who calls the shots in the Imperium?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Heavily de-centralized, but any Imperium-reaching decision is made by the High Lords, although the Emperor still holds audiences with the Inquisition Inner Circle to ensure control from the shadows.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/01/11 13:28:09
Subject: Who calls the shots in the Imperium?
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And I'm not sure in current fluf but in older one the Empy was capable of short bursts of physical conciousness and could actually talk to mortals (albeit only some short sentences and that's all) like some sort of oracle. He even granted audience to high ranking imperial authorities and Chapter Masters in very iportant and crucial matters.
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2012/01/11 13:28:34
Subject: Who calls the shots in the Imperium?
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"Control" sounds like a bit much - to me, the Emperor doesn't seem to be that conscious anymore, else we wouldn't have had the clusterfeth that was the Age of Apostasy, not to mention the whole religion deal. It seems to be more like occasionally plucking one of a million strings to push the IoM into a certain direction more to his liking.
... or a direction more to the liking of whoever secretly controls the Golden Throne (Inquisition?), if you're even more sceptical of the idea of the Emperor still being "alive".
[edit] Or what Raulmichile wrote. Seems we had the same thought there.
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2012/01/11 13:34:33
Subject: Who calls the shots in the Imperium?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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No, the Emperor still has control. But He's less than what He used to be during the Crusade, having thrown out hope and compassion when He destroyed Horus. That's why He does nothing to restrain the Inquisition.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/01/11 13:37:55
Subject: Who calls the shots in the Imperium?
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Lynata wrote:"Control" sounds like a bit much - to me, the Emperor doesn't seem to be that conscious anymore, else we wouldn't have had the clusterfeth that was the Age of Apostasy, not to mention the whole religion deal. It seems to be more like occasionally plucking one of a million strings to push the IoM into a certain direction more to his liking.
... or a direction more to the liking of whoever secretly controls the Golden Throne (Inquisition?), if you're even more sceptical of the idea of the Emperor still being "alive".
[edit] Or what Raulmichile wrote. Seems we had the same thought there.
The Age of Apostasy is a poor example. The Chaos Gods were Summoning up warp storms and The Emperor was trying to stop them. His psykic power was busy and couldn't be used on the mortal plane.
The Imperium is rule in this manner: The Emperor Decides what will happen and dictates it to the High Lords of Terra through the Imperial Tarot. The High Lords interpret the Tarot and see to it that the Emperor's will is done. If they misinterpret the Tarot, they will be punished by the Emperor (see Storm Of The Emperor's Wrath).
Direct audiences are impossible, as the Custodes are trained to interfere with anyone approaching the Throne. However, the Emperor will freeze time in the entire Imperium if he feels that someone needs to have an audience with him, as this would deny the custodes the ability to interfere.
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2012/01/11 13:41:00
Subject: Who calls the shots in the Imperium?
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Well, that's not how I read it and I usually don't subscribe to the stuff made up by individual BL writers, so we'll have to agree to disagree here. 
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2012/01/11 13:45:05
Subject: Who calls the shots in the Imperium?
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But GW has stated that BL is canon...so the Emperor can stop time if He allows someone to have an audience with Him that has normally no right to audience.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/01/11 13:49:57
Subject: Who calls the shots in the Imperium?
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Lynata wrote:Well, that's not how I read it and I usually don't subscribe to the stuff made up by individual BL writers, so we'll have to agree to disagree here.
What is your counterarguement? Do you have a specific point of reference to deny this? Age of Apostasy is not a valid rebuttle for the Custodes point.
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"Ascension is the prize, spawning the punishment. I walk the path of the Champion, and worlds burn in my wake"
"Space marines always outnumber the enemy. Always. Near the end of the battle." -Captain Septimus of the Death Stalkers to a new Initiate
Thanks to skycat (on deviantart) for Avatar
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2012/01/11 13:51:26
Subject: Who calls the shots in the Imperium?
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Tadashi wrote:But GW has stated that BL is canon...so the Emperor can stop time if He allows someone to have an audience with Him that has normally no right to audience.
So, basically the Emperor grants audience to whever he thinks he needs to talk (or communicate by any means) to as per the old fluff.
And that BL is canon, well, I think GW stated this for Horus Heresy novels only.
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2012/01/11 13:59:22
Subject: Who calls the shots in the Imperium?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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No, it's canon as long as it does not contradict information given in codexes and rulebooks.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/01/11 14:10:34
Subject: Who calls the shots in the Imperium?
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gabrielhorus wrote:What is your counterarguement? Do you have a specific point of reference to deny this? Age of Apostasy is not a valid rebuttle for the Custodes point.
Of course the Age of Apostasy is a valid rebuttle. When the Emperor was able to focus His attention on Alicia Dominica, why is it that in this instance there clearly was no "time freeze", given that it was the Custodes who acted as escorts for the meeting? Where is that even from? First time I hear about this ability, and I have to say it sounds a bit ridiculous. 
Also, I'm quite sure that the Emperor would have influenced the development of the Imperium a lot more if he had the chance to do so. In all those millennia, his attention was not nigh-constantly focused elsewhere (given that these warp storms you say He focused on to stop are not that prevalent throughout the entire history). And even if they were, this only means that He still is unable to just talk to people whenever He wants to.
Tadashi wrote:No, it's canon as long as it does not contradict information given in codexes and rulebooks.
Gav Thorpe wrote:With Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000, the notion of canon is a fallacy.
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30120/01/11 14:13:33
Subject: Who calls the shots in the Imperium?
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Tadashi wrote:No, it's canon as long as it does not contradict information given in codexes and rulebooks.
In this case you have just argued against yourself.
In the novel in question Squats exist as a power in the galaxy. Therefore it contradicts rulebooks and codeci and therefore isn't cannon.
Is it 1 n or 2?
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2012/01/11 14:44:16
Subject: Who calls the shots in the Imperium?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Let me elaborate: current canon as in the latest codexes and rulebooks, and announcements from GW. These state squats have been destroyed by Tyranids, so they're not canon, unless material is before Tyranid arrival. The Emperor being able to stop time and is the collective reincarnation of all shamans was mentioned in 3rd Edition, but has not been mentioned or for that matter, refuted by later Editions.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/01/11 14:47:57
Subject: Who calls the shots in the Imperium?
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Tadashi wrote:Let me elaborate: current canon as in the latest codexes and rulebooks, and announcements from GW. These state squats have been destroyed by Tyranids, so they're not canon, unless material is before Tyranid arrival. The Emperor being able to stop time and is the collective reincarnation of all shamans was mentioned in 3rd Edition, but has not been mentioned or for that matter, refuted by later Editions.
It was mentionned in a BL novel IIRC.
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"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
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2012/01/11 14:56:30
Subject: Who calls the shots in the Imperium?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Which one, the squats, or the Emperor's origins and power over time? If the former, then the date of the event is important. If it's after the arrival of the Hive Fleets, then it's not canon. If the latter, it's canon since GW and later Editions have not refuted 3rd Edition regarding the Emperor. As long as GW and the later codexes and rulebooks don't refute older information, it's canon.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/01/11 15:11:30
Subject: Who calls the shots in the Imperium?
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Tadashi wrote:Which one, the squats, or the Emperor's origins and power over time? If the former, then the date of the event is important. If it's after the arrival of the Hive Fleets, then it's not canon. If the latter, it's canon since GW and later Editions have not refuted 3rd Edition regarding the Emperor. As long as GW and the later codexes and rulebooks don't refute older information, it's canon.
The squats and the Emperor's 'ability' to stop time.
It occured in the Inquisition Wars series (which are old as all hell) IIRC. It contains Squats and his 'ability' to stop time, if one is true then the other must be. If one is false then the other must be... You can't pick and choose.
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Dakka Bingo! By Ouze
"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry. |
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2012/01/11 15:12:30
Subject: Who calls the shots in the Imperium?
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Lynata wrote:gabrielhorus wrote:What is your counterarguement? Do you have a specific point of reference to deny this? Age of Apostasy is not a valid rebuttle for the Custodes point.
Of course the Age of Apostasy is a valid rebuttle. When the Emperor was able to focus His attention on Alicia Dominica, why is it that in this instance there clearly was no "time freeze", given that it was the Custodes who acted as escorts for the meeting? Where is that even from? First time I hear about this ability, and I have to say it sounds a bit ridiculous.
I believe it's the so-old-its-canonicity-is-hightly-questionable Inquisitor by Ian Watson that's being referred to. As I recall, time stops subjectively for Jaq Draco (the titular Inquisitor) when he finally gets his audience with the Emperor, who gives him few cryptic answers, and sends him on his way; He doesn't actually 'freeze time', which would indeed be silly.
Lynata wrote:Also, I'm quite sure that the Emperor would have influenced the development of the Imperium a lot more if he had the chance to do so. In all those millennia, his attention was not nigh-constantly focused elsewhere (given that these warp storms you say He focused on to stop are not that prevalent throughout the entire history). And even if they were, this only means that He still is unable to just talk to people whenever He wants to.
I'd go along with that, though I would be willing to accept that whatever's actually left of the Emperor's mind in the materium can communicate with his servants - I seem to recall reading somewhere that the High Lords are occasionally granted audiences - but GW's writers have wisely steered clear of details and restrained the involvement of Him with a capital 'H' to the occasional plot device, which is for the best, given that He would constitute an embarrassingly literal deus ex machina.
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2012/01/11 15:19:20
Subject: Who calls the shots in the Imperium?
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purplefood wrote:Tadashi wrote:Which one, the squats, or the Emperor's origins and power over time? If the former, then the date of the event is important. If it's after the arrival of the Hive Fleets, then it's not canon. If the latter, it's canon since GW and later Editions have not refuted 3rd Edition regarding the Emperor. As long as GW and the later codexes and rulebooks don't refute older information, it's canon.
The squats and the Emperor's 'ability' to stop time.
It occured in the Inquisition Wars series (which are old as all hell) IIRC. It contains Squats and his 'ability' to stop time, if one is true then the other must be. If one is false then the other must be... You can't pick and choose.
Which may be interpreted thus: if it's after the arrival of the Hive Fleets, then the squats as a faction are dead, but a few survivors are left, only so few that they're effectively extinct. The Emperor's origins are not refuted by new information, so it's still canon.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/01/11 15:21:27
Subject: Who calls the shots in the Imperium?
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Tadashi wrote:purplefood wrote:Tadashi wrote:Which one, the squats, or the Emperor's origins and power over time? If the former, then the date of the event is important. If it's after the arrival of the Hive Fleets, then it's not canon. If the latter, it's canon since GW and later Editions have not refuted 3rd Edition regarding the Emperor. As long as GW and the later codexes and rulebooks don't refute older information, it's canon.
The squats and the Emperor's 'ability' to stop time.
It occured in the Inquisition Wars series (which are old as all hell) IIRC. It contains Squats and his 'ability' to stop time, if one is true then the other must be. If one is false then the other must be... You can't pick and choose.
Which may be interpreted thus: if it's after the arrival of the Hive Fleets, then the squats as a faction are dead, but a few survivors are left, only so few that they're effectively extinct. The Emperor's origins are not refuted by new information, so it's still canon.
It mentions them as a faction rather than the few remaining survivors...
I didn't say it did refute the Emperors origins...
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"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry. |
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2012/01/11 15:30:04
Subject: Who calls the shots in the Imperium?
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Sorry if I sounded as though I was in rage mode, so to speak. That would be troublesome, especially if the novel conflicts with the timeline in the rulebooks. But then again, rulebooks and codexes from differing factions differ in times and data, so let's use logic: when considering a certain faction, then that faction's codex has greater validity over that of others (with regard to itself).
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/01/11 15:35:01
Subject: Who calls the shots in the Imperium?
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Tadashi wrote:Sorry if I sounded as though I was in rage mode, so to speak. That would be troublesome, especially if the novel conflicts with the timeline in the rulebooks. But then again, rulebooks and codexes from differing factions differ in times and data, so let's use logic: when considering a certain faction, then that faction's codex has greater validity over that of others (with regard to itself).
Sure.
No codex ever mentions the Emperor's 'ability' to stop time nor do they mention Squats as a faction outside of a note saying they are attacked and wiped. (Not sure if that's in a codex though).
The BL Inquisition Wars series mentions the Squats as a faction and the Emperors 'ability' to stop time.
It mentions Squats as a faction, it also mentions the Emperor's ability to stop time. Neither are ever mentioned again so it's moot point.
So either Squats are a faction (Which either a codex or a rulebook disagree with) or the Emperor cannot stop time. I know which side i'm on.
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Dakka Bingo! By Ouze
"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
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2012/01/11 15:40:32
Subject: Who calls the shots in the Imperium?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Maybe not time per se. The Emperor mentioned that time "stopped" only for Jaq Draco. Anyway, the discrepancies in timelines both in the novels and codexes are making my head hurt trying to figure out, which is probably one reason GW doesn't want to address it directly short of reprinting everything since RT. Squats were wiped according to GW, but if you want to field squats, just ask for permission from other players, though I'm not sure if that can be done in tournaments.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/01/11 15:42:55
Subject: Who calls the shots in the Imperium?
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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Tadashi wrote:Maybe not time per se. The Emperor mentioned that time "stopped" only for Jaq Draco. Anyway, the discrepancies in timelines both in the novels and codexes are making my head hurt trying to figure out, which is probably one reason GW doesn't want to address it directly short of reprinting everything since RT.
That's why most people consider Bl stuff non-cannon...
If it's in a rulebook or codex then it is.
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Dakka Bingo! By Ouze
"You are the best at flying things"-Kanluwen
"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
Equip, Reload. Do violence.
Watch for Gerry. |
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2012/01/11 15:46:18
Subject: Who calls the shots in the Imperium?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Not always...sometimes it is sometimes it isn't...what a pain...and not just in the novels, even the codexes have discrepancies...
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/01/11 15:55:29
Subject: Who calls the shots in the Imperium?
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Speedy Swiftclaw Biker
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purplefood wrote:Tadashi wrote:Maybe not time per se. The Emperor mentioned that time "stopped" only for Jaq Draco. Anyway, the discrepancies in timelines both in the novels and codexes are making my head hurt trying to figure out, which is probably one reason GW doesn't want to address it directly short of reprinting everything since RT.
That's why most people consider Bl stuff non-cannon...
If it's in a rulebook or codex then it is.
QFT
In fact, Horus Heresy novels enjoyed such an awesome success that GW was happily "forced" by the situation to extend the series and declare that the books were to be considered canon even if they contradict previously written codexes and other official publications. That is the only instance that BL books shape 40K history with the same authority Codexes have.
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2012/01/11 17:57:49
Subject: Who calls the shots in the Imperium?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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I think the whole "stop time" bit is getting blown out of proportion. Dude was having a moment when he was getting to have a one-on-one with God, he's going to be a bit overwhelmed, and probably enter that sort of personal "slow mo" time when something really amazing, or really terrible, is happening.
This isn't saying that time stopped across the entire galaxy so Big E and That Guy could have a chat.
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