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Hey guys i'm in the middle of writting the fluff for my homebrew chapter called the blue tigers. They are a succesor chapter to the dark angels and the ultramarines.
I am going to have it in the structure listed below:
10 men make a squad,
10 squads make a company and
10 companies make a chapter.
There called the blue tigers because they are adorned with blue and black camoflauge (Purely it makes them look bad ass).
The Chapter Council.
There chapter master will be called angelo della morte. (angel of death in italian.)
There will be 10 captains.
1st avenger company captain Sabre,
2nd line company captain Sparta,
3rd line company captain Church,
4th line company captain Scar,
5th line company captain Hawk,
6th line company captain Grimice,
7th Tactical company captian Murdoch,
8th Assault company captain White,
9th devastator company captain Howitser and
10th Scout company captain Ghost.
Any comments on how to improve would be accepted.

Just one quick problem. You can't be a succesor chapter from two founders unless you want to go into the 13th founding problems. Stable geneseed is pretty much from one strain and one strain only.

Other than that good start. I always like camo marines. You never see enough around.

Veldrain wrote:Just one quick problem. You can't be a succesor chapter from two founders unless you want to go into the 21st founding problems. Stable geneseed is pretty much from one strain and one strain only.

Other than that good start. I always like camo marines. You never see enough around.

Great idea. Just need to also remember that you can also increase the amount of Space Marines you have in the chapter for anyone reason.
Get creative and make a mock model here http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.php?autocom=pages&do=show&id=1

then I will go for ultramarines rather than the dark angels because it be simpler.
the reason I choose the camo scheme is because I have not seen any in one.

Emperor's Warbringers are one of the very few chapters to officially run in camo. Most marines tend to look on it as cowerdice. Also, camo Dreadnoughts rarely fool people but they look cool.

Asherian - I am eternally cursed to confuse the 13th and 21st foundings.

WARHAMMER40KWARGAMES wrote:10 men make a squadron,
2 squadrons make a platoon,

Unless they're going to fight exclusively in tanks or aircraft, these would be 'squads' rather than 'squadrons'...

You could always change up the ranks/names...
Have the Chapter Master rank changed to Angelo Delta Morte. The newly promoted marine sheds his past name and former life and becomes an avatar of the Emperor (not litterally) this promotion is usually ushered in with a chapter-wide crusade to prove their zeal to the Emperor

purplefood wrote:You could always change up the ranks/names...
Have the Chapter Master rank changed to Angelo Delta Morte. The newly promoted marine sheds his past name and former life and becomes an avatar of the Emperor (not litterally) this promotion is usually ushered in with a chapter-wide crusade to prove their zeal to the Emperor

Brilliant it would make it interesting.
any more ideas welcome.
insaniak a squad is short for squadron.

Veldrain wrote:I am eternally cursed to confuse the 13th and 21st foundings.

So are GW, since both have been described as "taking place shortly before the Age of Apostasy". One wonders how foundings fourteen through twenty were fitted in...

I was just looking on the forge world website and in the infantry accesories they had a boarding assualt upgrade pack that includes some riot shield looking things and I instantly thought about giving them to assualt marines for raiding enemy ships using thier jetpacks to jump from the boarding craft into the ship via airlocks (e.g boarding craft manover into postion blow open the airlocks door and marines jump from the craft land in the airlock and proceed on their objective moving in a sheild wall formation.)
Any comments will be very much appreciated.

10 men make a squadron,
2 squadrons make a platoon,
5 platoons make a company and
10 companies make a chapter.
There called the blue tigers because they are adorned with blue and black camoflauge (Purely it makes them look bad ass).
The Chapter Council.
There chapter master will be called angelo della morte. (angel of death in italian.)
There will be 10 captains

I think you over-did the squadron thing.

A chapter has 10 companies each lead by a captain, each company has 10 squads. Squadrons and Platoons are for guardsmen .

Blue Tigers sounds cool. The High Elf chariot comes with 2 "lion" sholder pads that could be used on captain models.

Since they are blue and you have a standard chapter organization Ultramarines are the way to go . Plus most newer chapters are created using their gene-seed anyway.

Why would the Chapter master be called an "angel of death" Every marine is an angel of death. Perhaps Shir Khan, or Bengal or some other Tiger related name.

You could call the different companies "Stripes" and the chapter battle cry could be "THEY"RE GREAT!" But then your chapter master would have to be named Tony.

no the battle cry will be "THE EYE OF THE TIGER!!!!"
ok then I am going to remove the platoon.
stripes sound better than companies imho.
I chose angel of death in italian to stylise the idea that when you get promoted to chapter master you become a true angel of death.

WARHAMMER40KWARGAMES wrote:no the battle cry will be "THE EYE OF THE TIGER!!!!"
ok then I am going to remove the platoon.
Should each company have thier own battle barge.

Probably not. Battlebarges are rare and very powerful warships, few chapters have more than two or three. For all intends and purposes a strikecruiser ( which is comparable in power to a Dauntless class cruiser but better armored and equiped with a hangar ) is more than enough for your average company. After all, it is a ship large enough to house many thousands ( probably even tens of thousands ) of people and has sufficient firepower to level entire cities with ease.

Thanks for the help.

1st avenger stripe captain Sabre,
2nd assault stripe captain Orbit,
3rd amour stripe captain Church,
4th defencive stripe captain Scar,
5th roaring tiger stripe captain Hawk,
6th siege stripe captain Howitser,
7th amoured calvery stripe captian Murdoch,
8th airbone calvery stripe captain White,
9th agressive recon stripe captain Grimice and
10th scout company stripe Ghost.

I'd advise just calling them companies... though you can rename them it just sounds a bit odd in my mind/ears...
The way they are described is a bit odd.
Usually a chapter has 5 line companies (2-6) and 3 reserve companies (7-9) with the 10th and first often being split up to assist other companies. The reserve companies are also either split up to assist others or sent off on their own if the chapter is stretched or otherwise occupied.
A company can and will become better at certain things due to the personality of their captain but they won't limit themselves... though some companies may have better than average vehicles etc...

I thought 2-6 were like tactical squad companies and 7-9 were specialty companies like devastators.

Vice_Grip wrote:I thought 2-6 were like tactical squad companies and 7-9 were specialty companies like devastators.

2-6 has a mix of tactical, assault and devstators.
7-9 are speciality companies which is why they are split up to support other companies...
That's how i remember it anyway...

I have split it up into:
1st avenger chaos hunters,
2nd - 6th combat formations,
7th-9th reserve and
10th scouts are there scout company.
there fortress monestary is occupied by 1500 people.
(1000 space marines, 100 tech priests trying to restore the titan held there and there 400 sevitor servents.

It seems a bit odd since every single force sent anywhere would need to be a mixed force...
Also i would advise against titans. They are the Mehanicus' doman and theirs alone. SM do not have titans though they have and do work in support of them and vice versa.

no it's not theres it was just found on there planet and the machanicus are repairing it there before shipping it out (because I wanted to make the fortress monestary with a underground bunker with tech priests working on a titan so that they can ship it out.)

WARHAMMER40KWARGAMES wrote:no it's not theres it was just found on there planet and the machanicus are repairing it there before shipping it out (because I wanted to make the fortress monestary with a underground bunker with tech priests working on a titan so that they can ship it out.)

Okay i misunderstood...

Mantis warriors and many of the chapters in the bebab war employed use of camouflage.

It sounds like you want a pre heresy force:

Marine organisation more like imperial guard with platoons etc.
Marine dedicated armies, superheavies and MAYBE titans
More use of camouflage and more variety (marines tailored to a purpose such as sniper marines, recon marines etc)

For the record, I think what you might really like is doing an Astral Claws successor chapter.

1- the Astral Claws are of unknown origin, though Dark Angels and Ultramarines have been cited (have your cake, and eat it)

2- there's the large cat theme: Astral Claws' heraldry is a winged lion (which makes me think that the DA thing makes the most sense, but that's besides the point) and their known successor chapter is the Tiger Claws. Easy enough to fit your army in there.

3- The astral claws favor(ed) ship-to-ship combat, and actually have a special version of assault squads equipped for ship boarding, with the models you were looking at being useful as Retaliator squads (essentially assault marines that aren't allowed jump packs, come with combat shields, and have a few more options than normal assault squads)

4- The Astral Claws had unconventional (well, more just illegal) organization (including 10-20-man tactical squads), so it seems likely their successors might do the same

5- Considering the Astral Claws went traitor, there's plenty of room to make up stories around questioned loyalty, attempted redemption, and all that sort of fun 40k stuff, for your army.





Oh, also, re: numbers/organization, servitors way outnumber marines, it's just most aren't in combat roles. Techmarines are the Marine equivalent of techpriests, so they can maintain relative autonomy, and titan legions are attached to forge worlds, not chapters (however, knight titans give some wiggle room, and you could justify having a titan or two by saying that they have close ties with X forge world).

WARHAMMER40KWARGAMES wrote:insaniak a squad is short for squadron.

No, it's not. They're two separate terms.

'Squadron' is used for naval, air or cavalry/armoured units.
'Squad' refers to a group of people.

spiralingcadaver wrote:For the record, I think what you might really like is doing an Astral Claws successor chapter.
1- the Astral Claws are of unknown origin, though Dark Angels and Ultramarines have been cited (have your cake, and eat it)
2- there's the large cat theme: Astral Claws' heraldry is a winged lion (which makes me think that the DA thing makes the most sense, but that's besides the point) and their known successor chapter is the Tiger Claws. Easy enough to fit your army in there.
3- The astral claws favor(ed) ship-to-ship combat, and actually have a special version of assault squads equipped for ship boarding, with the models you were looking at being useful as Retaliator squads (essentially assault marines that aren't allowed jump packs, come with combat shields, and have a few more options than normal assault squads)
4- The Astral Claws had unconventional (well, more just illegal) organization (including 10-20-man tactical squads), so it seems likely their successors might do the same
5- Considering the Astral Claws went traitor, there's plenty of room to make up stories around questioned loyalty, attempted redemption, and all that sort of fun 40k stuff, for your army.
Oh, also, re: numbers/organization, servitors way outnumber marines, it's just most aren't in combat roles. Techmarines are the Marine equivalent of techpriests, so they can maintain relative autonomy, and titan legions are attached to forge worlds, not chapters (however, knight titans give some wiggle room, and you could justify having a titan or two by saying that they have close ties with X forge world).

I like it. My chapter could be fighting to restore it's name by fighting the bloodiest battles and other chapters think of them as expendable and use them on suicide missions not expecting them to survive but they always pull through and complete the mission. I might also change the motto to minimal casulties maximum effect.
Brilliant idea about the titan the chapter will have close ties to the forgeworld in there system and have been given a titan in exchange for protection of the forgeworld.

If you're going through with the idea of expendables, the chapters* that didn't ultimately turn traitor (but did attempt to secede w/ the Astral Claws) were sent on penitent crusades (no recruits for 200(?) years, if they survive, they're absolved.

You could have them either required or choosing one of these (technically they weren't probably part of the War, but could be suspected), which would be easy enough to represent in-game: no scouts, extra veterans.

And, glad I could help!

*Lamenters, Executioners, Mantis Warriors, I may be forgetting a couple

They could of succeed in doing something and then the chapter did something so great that it saved an entire hiveworld or something and they were said okay your pure here you go.

Asherian Command wrote:They could of succeed in doing something and then the chapter did something so great that it saved an entire hiveworld or something and they were said okay your pure here you go.

I'd leave them on the penitent crusade for a while...
Makes for good stories...
Also, AFAIK the Executioners didn't get sent on a penitent crusade...

Ok I have a idea for the fluff:
A massive ork cruiser is in orbit of a hiveworld and the 2nd company has been sent in to destroy it they engage the ship killing everybody on board only taking 5 causulties and then they set the ship on course to hit the planets sun and jump from the craft and land behind the orks lines killing there warboss and mop up any resitance as they move towards the marine front line to reconnect with the chapter.
I want them to be on a pennitant crusade.
mdeceiver79 I like the idea of replacing scouts with veteran battle hardend marines with sniper rifles going on covert ops.

Any commets welcome.

purplefood wrote:
Also, AFAIK the Executioners didn't get sent on a penitent crusade...

Oh, my bad, I thought they all did.

RE; WH40kWG: To preface, sorry if this sounds rantish, you seem to be trying to make good background for your army (which is more effort than most people take), but you're missing something important about what essentially is the difference between exceptional and unbelievable.

Boarding missions tend to have particularly high casualty rates. They're extremely brutal and I believe that's were the idea of TDA was introduced. Even in an exceptionally successful attack on a space hulk (which is likely what the orks would be "piloting"), I'd bet easily 1/3 would go down, if not more.

Remember, space marines are superhuman, but that doesn't make them gods. Also, there's a reason they're called "suicide missions" and it isn't because of the high number of guys that come back.

Part of this is the basic idea of choice, the argument being essentially

If someone does something good because they don't know how to do anything else then, while still good, it matters less than someone choosing to do something good.

i.e. doing something courageous or making a sacrifice only really matters if you aren't required to: robots aren't courageous for doing exactly what they're programmed to, regardless of consequences. (huh, that explanation was longer than the description...)

Similarly, knowing the boarding mission has extremely high casualty rates (especially when you can't easily replenish your troops), limited time to achieve success, and less than amazing success rates, and still taking on the mission (volunteering for it?) and getting in there, taking heavy casualties, and getting the job done (really well and fast, or something, for the sake of argument and making them exceptional) is way more badass than going in and not getting hurt, where that low of a casualty rate doesn't make them seem exceptional, it makes the mission seem easy.

War movies aren't engaging b/c the good guys trounce the bad guys, they're engaging because they win in situations with high stakes (and often high casualties), and they still make it through, but just barely.

Going back to where this started, it's the reason there's so much hate towards the newest Grey Knights fluff: it's not that they're written as exceptional (they're super pure, have great gear and training, and fight chaos very well) but they're unbelievable (they're absolutely pure, have better training than primarches and seem to have better gear than most SM captains, and are able to curbstomp gods).