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http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/10/12646127-deadly-black-lung-surges-back-in-coal-country

I read this, think of all the bumper stickers I see proclaiming that "Coal Keeps the Lights On" sitting beside bumper stickers about Comrade Obama and belittling college as a waste of money, and mentally kick the living crap out of myself for not moving further north.

Your thoughts?

Come to Seattle WA

What all does Seattle have going on at the moment?

grayshadow87 wrote:What all does Seattle have going on at the moment?

Not as much as Minnesota.

grayshadow87 wrote:What all does Seattle have going on at the moment?

Layoffs.

This is why I liked Mrs Thatcher.

Despite not being alive when she was in power.

Coolyo294 wrote:

grayshadow87 wrote:What all does Seattle have going on at the moment?

Not as much as Minnesota.

You mean South Canada?

Squigsquasher wrote:This is why I liked Mrs Thatcher.

Despite not being alive when she was in power.

AFAIK most people who were alive when she was in power disliked her intensely...

Well, not everyone. I know some people who liked her.

But I'm 16 so I can't really comment.

purplefood wrote:

Squigsquasher wrote:This is why I liked Mrs Thatcher.

Despite not being alive when she was in power.

AFAIK most people who were alive when she was in power disliked her intensely...

I can certainly affirm my own deep seated loathing.

I heard a story about this on NPR the other day. It seems like despite harsh regularions being put in place by Congress in 1969, the enforcement is pretty loose.

Apparently, a mining company that fails an audit, can then "retake" the exam with their own samples. If the five samples average out to be acceptable, the one bad audit is removed and no penalties occur.

They then went on to outline how the Mine managers could easily rig their own audits with testimony from form regulators, miners, and mine company folks.

Amazing.

purplefood wrote:

Squigsquasher wrote:This is why I liked Mrs Thatcher.

Despite not being alive when she was in power.

AFAIK most people who were alive when she was in power disliked her intensely...

Evidently someone liked her, as she stayed in power for awhile. Maybe you don't actually know anyone from then or are using a self selected group.

Frazzled wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Squigsquasher wrote:This is why I liked Mrs Thatcher.

Despite not being alive when she was in power.

AFAIK most people who were alive when she was in power disliked her intensely...

Evidently someone liked her, as she stayed in power for awhile. Maybe you don't actually know anyone from then or are using a self selected group.

Due to our electoral system, she, by her own admission, only had to appease about 1/3rd of the population and feth the rest. Most Prime Ministers try to reach an accord or at least don't openly acknowledge that they are only serving 1/3rd of the population, she made it very clear that's all she was interested in doing, as she nurtured and promoted the South East 'garden of England' and fethed the Celtic nations and The North over.

She allowed British industry to collapse and privatized many state owned resources. Selling things owned by the people, which she didn't own, to a small number of people, is theft.

I take solace in knowing she will live out her remaining years gaking herself and forgetting where she is half the time.

She got the Falklands back though. Of course who knew they really had antiship missiles from the chinese.

Jihadin wrote:She got the Falklands back though. Of course who knew they really had antiship missiles from the chinese.

I thought they were French missiles?

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Squigsquasher wrote:This is why I liked Mrs Thatcher.

Despite not being alive when she was in power.

AFAIK most people who were alive when she was in power disliked her intensely...

Evidently someone liked her, as she stayed in power for awhile. Maybe you don't actually know anyone from then or are using a self selected group.

Due to our electoral system, she, by her own admission, only had to appease about 1/3rd of the population and feth the rest. Most Prime Ministers try to reach an accord or at least don't openly acknowledge that they are only serving 1/3rd of the population, she made it very clear that's all she was interested in doing, as she nurtured and promoted the South East 'garden of England' and fethed the Celtic nations and The North over.

She allowed British industry to collapse and privatized many state owned resources. Selling things owned by the people, which she didn't own, to a small number of people, is theft.

I take solace in knowing she will live out her remaining years gaking herself and forgetting where she is half the time.

Oh, are you an ex-pat then Stompa?

Don't like coal - lets use nuclear, cleaner overall - oh wait, no? Let's use wood, no, hemp no, ok HOW ABOUT BE BURN YOUR FRIGGING HIPPY CORPSES TO FUEL THE FIRES OF ENERGY? Oh wait you're too emaciated from your 'organic' death free diet that you actually absorb the fire used to burn you . Fine then ..

Not the fault of Coal mining companies failing to provide their employees with appropriate personal protective equipment... not their fault at all...

An 83 year old ex coal miner is ill...and that's news?
Other than that, what can I say. If you have a populace that believe that workplace regulation=communism, this is what you get.

Medium of Death wrote:Not the fault of Coal mining companies failing to provide their employees with appropriate personal protective equipment... not their fault at all...

Oh please. You're in favor of JOB KILLING regulation vs JOB CREATING enterprise!?

FACT: When this "Safety" "Regulation" was introduced, some folks were saying that inside of 20 years it would reduce black lung cases so much we wouldn't even need people performing the testing. We would have seen Black Lung medical specialists jobs KILLED BY REGULATION.

FACT: Industry moving forward with it's own practices has been a JOB CREATOR. As cases of Black Lung accelerate more health professionals are needed, and more educated americans get jobs.

FACT: Young americans are often unemployed. As Black Lung cases increase the more new miners have to be hired to replace them. JOBS CREATED for young americans by Industry unhindered by regulation.

Why do you hate JOB CREATORS?
Why do you love JOB KILLING regulation?

Do you just love to see young Americans starve? Do you love seeing doctors being unable to make ends meet? Why do you want to see America moving in the wrong direction. All this talk of the wrong doing done to the workers at the hands of the oh-so-evil successful people (read: hard workers) is sounding awful familiar comrade.

Chongara wrote:

Medium of Death wrote:Not the fault of Coal mining companies failing to provide their employees with appropriate personal protective equipment... not their fault at all...

Oh please. You're in favor of JOB KILLING regulation vs JOB CREATING enterprise!?

FACT: When this "Safety" "Regulation" was introduced, some folks were saying that inside of 20 years it would reduce black lung cases so much we wouldn't even need people performing the testing. We would have seen Black Lung medical specialists jobs KILLED BY REGULATION.

FACT: Industry moving forward with it's own practices has been a JOB CREATOR. As cases of Black Lung accelerate more health professionals are needed, and more educated americans get jobs.

FACT: Young americans are often unemployed. As Black Lung cases increase the more new miners have to be hired to replace them. JOBS CREATED for young americans by Industry unhindered by regulation.

Why do you hate JOB CREATORS?
Why do you love JOB KILLING regulation?

Do you just love to see young Americans starve? Do you love seeing doctors being unable to make ends meet? Why do you want to see America moving in the wrong direction. All this talk of the wrong doing done to the workers at the hands of the oh-so-evil successful people (read: hard workers) is sounding awful familiar comrade.

This is by far one of the stupidest posts I have ever read on this forum... on any forum...
Please say you're joking...

YTour right Frazz. Exercet missile. As for the black lung from coal mining. You put 20 yrs in mining coal you have black lungs to

purplefood wrote:

Chongara wrote:

Medium of Death wrote:Not the fault of Coal mining companies failing to provide their employees with appropriate personal protective equipment... not their fault at all...

Oh please. You're in favor of JOB KILLING regulation vs JOB CREATING enterprise!?

FACT: When this "Safety" "Regulation" was introduced, some folks were saying that inside of 20 years it would reduce black lung cases so much we wouldn't even need people performing the testing. We would have seen Black Lung medical specialists jobs KILLED BY REGULATION.

FACT: Industry moving forward with it's own practices has been a JOB CREATOR. As cases of Black Lung accelerate more health professionals are needed, and more educated americans get jobs.

FACT: Young americans are often unemployed. As Black Lung cases increase the more new miners have to be hired to replace them. JOBS CREATED for young americans by Industry unhindered by regulation.

Why do you hate JOB CREATORS?
Why do you love JOB KILLING regulation?

Do you just love to see young Americans starve? Do you love seeing doctors being unable to make ends meet? Why do you want to see America moving in the wrong direction. All this talk of the wrong doing done to the workers at the hands of the oh-so-evil successful people (read: hard workers) is sounding awful familiar comrade.

This is by far one of the stupidest posts I have ever read on this forum... on any forum...
Please say you're joking...

Chongara deals exclusively in parody republican posts.

Corpsesarefun wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Chongara wrote:

Medium of Death wrote:Not the fault of Coal mining companies failing to provide their employees with appropriate personal protective equipment... not their fault at all...

Oh please. You're in favor of JOB KILLING regulation vs JOB CREATING enterprise!?

FACT: When this "Safety" "Regulation" was introduced, some folks were saying that inside of 20 years it would reduce black lung cases so much we wouldn't even need people performing the testing. We would have seen Black Lung medical specialists jobs KILLED BY REGULATION.

FACT: Industry moving forward with it's own practices has been a JOB CREATOR. As cases of Black Lung accelerate more health professionals are needed, and more educated americans get jobs.

FACT: Young americans are often unemployed. As Black Lung cases increase the more new miners have to be hired to replace them. JOBS CREATED for young americans by Industry unhindered by regulation.

Why do you hate JOB CREATORS?
Why do you love JOB KILLING regulation?

Do you just love to see young Americans starve? Do you love seeing doctors being unable to make ends meet? Why do you want to see America moving in the wrong direction. All this talk of the wrong doing done to the workers at the hands of the oh-so-evil successful people (read: hard workers) is sounding awful familiar comrade.

This is by far one of the stupidest posts I have ever read on this forum... on any forum...
Please say you're joking...

Chongara deals exclusively in parody republican posts.

Well paint me purple and call me relieved...
I was worried my ignore list would have a new member...

Thanks for reminding me. Hoping the bug is out from "Taking the Purple" quest so the ambushers can spawn

Chongara wrote:

Medium of Death wrote:Not the fault of Coal mining companies failing to provide their employees with appropriate personal protective equipment... not their fault at all...

Oh please. You're in favor of JOB KILLING regulation vs JOB CREATING enterprise!?

FACT: When this "Safety" "Regulation" was introduced, some folks were saying that inside of 20 years it would reduce black lung cases so much we wouldn't even need people performing the testing. We would have seen Black Lung medical specialists jobs KILLED BY REGULATION.

FACT: Industry moving forward with it's own practices has been a JOB CREATOR. As cases of Black Lung accelerate more health professionals are needed, and more educated americans get jobs.

FACT: Young americans are often unemployed. As Black Lung cases increase the more new miners have to be hired to replace them. JOBS CREATED for young americans by Industry unhindered by regulation.

Why do you hate JOB CREATORS?
Why do you love JOB KILLING regulation?

Do you just love to see young Americans starve? Do you love seeing doctors being unable to make ends meet? Why do you want to see America moving in the wrong direction. All this talk of the wrong doing done to the workers at the hands of the oh-so-evil successful people (read: hard workers) is sounding awful familiar comrade.

Well that was just fantastic. I hadn't read one of your posts before (the avatar was far too creepy to linger for long on a post), so at first I thought you were trolling. I'm glad to say that I was presently surprised.

On the downside, I laughed and woke my wife up, and she just threw a pillow at me. Are you happy with yourself?

I'd like to see more nuclear power built. I like nuclear power.

Likewise. Too bad everyone freaked out again from Fukushima.

Yeah right, because uranium mining is so healthy compared to coal mining.

http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/pgms/worknotify/uranium.html
http://www.hcn.org/wotr/lets-not-forget-the-hidden-costs-of-uranium-mining
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/250010691/Uranium-mining-left-a-legacy-of-death.html?pg=all

But hey, nuclear power will save the world, right? It's what the company says so it must be true!

Lynata wrote:Yeah right, because uranium mining is so healthy compared to coal mining.

That's not exactly an apples-to-apples comparison, and I'm sure you know it.

Even if we're talking about uranium (and I'm not, I meant protyping Thorium), uranium as a fuel source is inherently different then using coal. A nuclear reactor with 110 tons of Uranium will produce 600MWe of energy and will run for 6 years. To output the same energy over the same timeframe, a coal plant would have to burn 9 million tons of coal. While the process of mining both is inherently unsafe, you're going to see less death and illness from mining 18 tons of uranium then you will from mining 1.5 million tons of coal.