Paul Ryan refuses to be outdone by Akin and Smith

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**azazel the cat**

I'll just leave this here.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-slansky-/paul-ryan-said-something-_b_1832377.html

**whembly**

azazel the cat wrote:
I'll just leave this here.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-slansky-/paul-ryan-said-something-_b_1832377.html

Not sure I follow? (maybe I'm slow today...)

**daedalus-templarius**

whembly wrote:
azazel the cat wrote:
I'll just leave this here.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-slansky-/paul-ryan-said-something-_b_1832377.html

Not sure I follow? (maybe I'm slow today...)

Oh I don't know, maybe the part where 'rape is a valid form of conception'?

He can't be outdone anyway: http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/08/paul-ryan-cosponsored-all-most-extreme-anti-abortion-bills

"the full extent of the measures he's endorsed is breathtaking, and includes cosponsoring a measure that would allow hospitals to deny women access to an abortions even if their life is in immediate danger."

ZYGOTES ARE PEOPLE TOO!

**Frazzled**

daedalus-templarius wrote:
whembly wrote:
azazel the cat wrote:
I'll just leave this here.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-slansky-/paul-ryan-said-something-_b_1832377.html

Not sure I follow? (maybe I'm slow today...)

Oh I don't know, maybe the part where 'rape is a valid form of conception'?

He can't be outdone anyway: http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/08/paul-ryan-cosponsored-all-most-extreme-anti-abortion-bills

"the full extent of the measures he's endorsed is breathtaking, and includes cosponsoring a measure that would allow hospitals to deny women access to an abortions even if their life is in immediate danger."

ZYGOTES ARE PEOPLE TOO!

So which is it? Now you're saying you can't get pregant if you are raped? what are you- Akin?

**whembly**

daedalus-templarius wrote:
whembly wrote:
azazel the cat wrote:
I'll just leave this here.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-slansky-/paul-ryan-said-something-_b_1832377.html

Not sure I follow? (maybe I'm slow today...)

Oh I don't know, maybe the part where 'rape is a valid form of conception'?

He can't be outdone anyway: http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/08/paul-ryan-cosponsored-all-most-extreme-anti-abortion-bills

"the full extent of the measures he's endorsed is breathtaking, and includes cosponsoring a measure that would allow hospitals to deny women access to an abortions even if their life is in immediate danger."

ZYGOTES ARE PEOPLE TOO!

He didnt' say "valid" form of conception... but, it's a "method" (barbaric) of conception is it not? Are you saying that you can't get prego via rape? You know, that's what Atkins was saying

. (edit: ninja'ed by Fraz)

As to the anti-abortion bill... never gonna pass. But, whatdoyouexpect? He's a staunch pro-lifer?

[notice how I don't disparage you for getting your news from the huffintonpost?]

**LoneLictor**

In the past two months, it seems the Republican party has gone off the rails on the crazy train.

**daedalus-templarius**

Frazzled wrote:
daedalus-templarius wrote:
whembly wrote:
azazel the cat wrote:
I'll just leave this here.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-slansky-/paul-ryan-said-something-_b_1832377.html

Not sure I follow? (maybe I'm slow today...)

Oh I don't know, maybe the part where 'rape is a valid form of conception'?

He can't be outdone anyway: http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/08/paul-ryan-cosponsored-all-most-extreme-anti-abortion-bills

"the full extent of the measures he's endorsed is breathtaking, and includes cosponsoring a measure that would allow hospitals to deny women access to an abortions even if their life is in immediate danger."

ZYGOTES ARE PEOPLE TOO!

So which is it? Now you're saying you can't get pregant if you are raped? what are you- Akin?

You got it Frazz

**whembly**

LoneLictor wrote:
In the past two months, it seems the Republican party has gone off the rails on the crazy train.

No, in the pass 2 months, the Democrats (and liberal media, but I repeat myself) are looking for topics to distract how horrible the current presidency is.

**Squigsquasher**

No...Just...Feth no...

That is absolutely disgusting. Someone should tear his spine out and sodomize him with it.

**Frazzled**

Squigsquasher wrote:
No...Just...Feth no...

That is absolutely disgusting. Someone should tear his spine out and sodomize him with it.

Why? because he said women can get pregnant if they are raped? Thats kind of basic biology...

**Squigsquasher**

Thank you, captain obvious.

The disgusting thing is that he views rape as just another method of conception and believes that women should have to give birth to children regardless of circumstances.

**Happygrunt**

whembly wrote:
LoneLictor wrote:
In the past two months, it seems the Republican party has gone off the rails on the crazy train.

No, in the pass 2 months, the Democrats (and liberal media, but I repeat myself) are looking for topics to distract how horrible the current presidency is.

Mind explaining why it is so terrible?

**whembly**

Squigsquasher wrote:
Thank you, captain obvious.

The disgusting thing is that he views rape as just another method of conception

That's basic biology...

and believes that women should have to give birth to children regardless of circumstances.

Here's your opinion...

Here's the forgottens:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/carney-when-a-horrific-rape-leads-to-an-innocent-life/article/2505680#.UD0tycGPV2C

**Frazzled**

Squigsquasher wrote:
Thank you, captain obvious.

The disgusting thing is that he views rape as just another method of conception and believes that women should have to give birth to children regardless of circumstances.

It is just another form of conception. This has nothing to do with the horrific event that it was for the mother.
If you believe that life begins at conception and you believe life is sacred then of course you would be against abortion. Its simple math.
if you don't believe life begins at conception, or don't believe life is sacred then you're fine.

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Happygrunt wrote:
whembly wrote:
LoneLictor wrote:
In the past two months, it seems the Republican party has gone off the rails on the crazy train.

No, in the pass 2 months, the Democrats (and liberal media, but I repeat myself) are looking for topics to distract how horrible the current presidency is.

Mind explaining why it is so terrible?

10% real unemployment. 15%+ underemployment.
GDP less than 2%
The largest deficit in the history of mankind.
The horror show that is Obamacare instead of a proper program.
And for the record. We still have Gitmo.

**daedalus-templarius**

Happygrunt wrote:
whembly wrote:
LoneLictor wrote:
In the past two months, it seems the Republican party has gone off the rails on the crazy train.

No, in the pass 2 months, the Democrats (and liberal media, but I repeat myself) are looking for topics to distract how horrible the current presidency is.

Mind explaining why it is so terrible?

LIBRUL MEDIA!

OBUMMER IS HORRIBLE!

**AustonT**

Squigsquasher wrote:
No...Just...Feth no...

That is absolutely disgusting. Someone should tear his spine out and sodomize him with it.

No THAT is absolutely disgusting. Saying, "I’ve always adopted the idea that, the position that the method of conception doesn’t change the definition of life." Is a far cry from a graphic and sexual act. It's a statent of position from a guy that has never hidden his beliefs on abortion.
It sounds much better to scream RYAN SAYS RAPE IS JUST CONCEPTION! Than LIFE IS LIFE NO MATTER HOW IT STARTED. Ahh contrived sensationalism you are the well that never goes dry.

**whembly**

Happygrunt wrote:
whembly wrote:
LoneLictor wrote:
In the past two months, it seems the Republican party has gone off the rails on the crazy train.

No, in the pass 2 months, the Democrats (and liberal media, but I repeat myself) are looking for topics to distract how horrible the current presidency is.

Mind explaining why it is so terrible?

??? seriously? Stole the following summary... there's more.

1. Universal healthcare
3. Justice system has become a political tool (weighing in & commenting on the Trayvon Martin case, which obviously influenced many blacks against Zimmerman)
4. Ended the war on terror. “There is no terror, only legitimate Jihad.” WTH?
6. Labor unions are a full partner in his Presidency.
7. Sueing the state of Arizona over illegal immigration, instead of enforcing existing federal laws.
9. Oil moratoriums. He has shut down the largest oil refinery on the east coast. Gasoline has doubled in price since Bush left.
10. Shut down the coal industry. On record as saying he would make it unprofitable and punishing to open a mine.
11. Advanced two ultra liberal judges to the Supreme Court.
12. Demonized millionaire entrepreneurs and Wall Street.
13. Co-opted banks & auto industry. Not fully nationalized just yet.
14. Credit protection agency answers to no one but the the Fed. Outside the Constitution.
15. US Military has been reduced in size...
16. Changing foreign constitutions by withholding State Department money if they don’t modify their constitution to approve abortions.
17. Co-opted the media
18. Demonizes anyone with an opinion different from his.
19. Appointed Socialists & Communists revolutionaries to high positions.
20. Gave the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Socialist-Communist Delores Huerta.
22. Operations such as Libya, were European-led, not US.
23. Gotten rid of the Missile Shield at the expense of Poland.
25. DOJ stopped prosecution of illegal voting in Florida.
26. Has been on a non-stop “apologize for America” tour.
27. Made sure ACORN was a federal budget item.
28. Cozied up with Russians, Hugo Chavez, etal. IOW, our enemies.
29. Massive regulations in place, courtesy of Cass Sunstein
30. Supports Occupy Wall Street, a group made up largely of anarchists, Communists and revolutionaries.
31. EPA can now regulate carbon emissions
32. Michelle Obama is trying to tell us what Americans can & cannot eat
33. Oversaw massive expansion of government dependency, with Food Stamp recipients going from 26 million to 48 million under his administration.
34. Bloated stimulus plans that did little other than benefit liberal pet projects, and funnel money back to Democrat election funds.
35. Student loan system now all governmental.

To be fair... I had a list just a long when Bush was in office...
1) expanded govt even more
2) patriot act
3) etc...

**Happygrunt**

Frazzled wrote:
Squigsquasher wrote:
Thank you, captain obvious.

The disgusting thing is that he views rape as just another method of conception and believes that women should have to give birth to children regardless of circumstances.

It is just another form of conception.
If you believe that life begins at conception and you believe life is sacred then of course you would be against abortion. Its simple math.
if you don't believe life begins at conception, or don't believe life is sacred then you're fine.

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Happygrunt wrote:
whembly wrote:
LoneLictor wrote:
In the past two months, it seems the Republican party has gone off the rails on the crazy train.

No, in the pass 2 months, the Democrats (and liberal media, but I repeat myself) are looking for topics to distract how horrible the current presidency is.

Mind explaining why it is so terrible?

10% real unemployment. 15%+ underemployment.
GDP less than 2%
The largest deficit in the history of mankind.
The horror show that is Obamacare instead of a proper program.
And for the record. We still have Gitmo.

I like Gitmo. I don't see any reason to scrap it. Off shore prison for dangers to the state seems perfectly reasonable. I knew he wouldn't remove it.

Isn't 10% unemployment the natural amount in a free market. I can't find my Economic notes now, but I believe it was something near 9%.

Yes, he has the largest deficit in the history, but wasn't there a considerable contribution to that from the previous president's tax cuts and two foreign wars?

And if you wouldn't mind explaining why Obamacare is such a horror show, that would be great. I fail to see the carnage and destruction it creates.

**d-usa**

That list is hilarious.

**daedalus-templarius**

whembly wrote:
Happygrunt wrote:
whembly wrote:
LoneLictor wrote:
In the past two months, it seems the Republican party has gone off the rails on the crazy train.

No, in the pass 2 months, the Democrats (and liberal media, but I repeat myself) are looking for topics to distract how horrible the current presidency is.

Mind explaining why it is so terrible?

??? seriously? Stole the following summary... there's more.

1. Universal healthcare
3. Justice system has become a political tool (weighing in & commenting on the Trayvon Martin case, which obviously influenced many blacks against Zimmerman)
4. Ended the war on terror. “There is no terror, only legitimate Jihad.” WTH?
6. Labor unions are a full partner in his Presidency.
7. Sueing the state of Arizona over illegal immigration, instead of enforcing existing federal laws.
9. Oil moratoriums. He has shut down the largest oil refinery on the east coast. Gasoline has doubled in price since Bush left.
10. Shut down the coal industry. On record as saying he would make it unprofitable and punishing to open a mine.
11. Advanced two ultra liberal judges to the Supreme Court.
12. Demonized millionaire entrepreneurs and Wall Street.
13. Co-opted banks & auto industry. Not fully nationalized just yet.
14. Credit protection agency answers to no one but the the Fed. Outside the Constitution.
15. US Military has been reduced in size...
16. Changing foreign constitutions by withholding State Department money if they don’t modify their constitution to approve abortions.
17. Co-opted the media
18. Demonizes anyone with an opinion different from his.
19. Appointed Socialists & Communists revolutionaries to high positions.
20. Gave the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Socialist-Communist Delores Huerta.
22. Operations such as Libya, were European-led, not US.
23. Gotten rid of the Missile Shield at the expense of Poland.
25. DOJ stopped prosecution of illegal voting in Florida.
26. Has been on a non-stop “apologize for America” tour.
27. Made sure ACORN was a federal budget item.
28. Cozied up with Russians, Hugo Chavez, etal. IOW, our enemies.
29. Massive regulations in place, courtesy of Cass Sunstein
30. Supports Occupy Wall Street, a group made up largely of anarchists, Communists and revolutionaries.
31. EPA can now regulate carbon emissions
32. Michelle Obama is trying to tell us what Americans can & cannot eat
33. Oversaw massive expansion of government dependency, with Food Stamp recipients going from 26 million to 48 million under his administration.
34. Bloated stimulus plans that did little other than benefit liberal pet projects, and funnel money back to Democrat election funds.
35. Student loan system now all governmental.

To be fair... I had a list just a long when Bush was in office...
1) expanded govt even more
2) patriot act
3) etc...

I unhid your post for some mindless reason, and your list is absolutely hilarious.

I mean, fething really? : 26. Has been on a non-stop “apologize for America” tour.
LOL 34. Bloated stimulus plans that did little other than benefit liberal pet projects, and funnel money back to Democrat election funds.

Where did you get this garbage from? theblaze.com or some gak?

Also a lot of the things in your list I am GLAD he has done. feth man, you make my brain ache.

**LoneLictor**

whembly wrote:
LoneLictor wrote:
In the past two months, it seems the Republican party has gone off the rails on the crazy train.

No, in the pass 2 months, the Democrats (and liberal media, but I repeat myself) are looking for topics to distract how horrible the current presidency is.

Why do you think Obama is horrible?

**Huffy**

All those reasons were absolutely redonkulous...here are some the "special" ones

4.) pretty sure we still commit troops and conduct drone strikes

12.) It's a recession...they were being demonized anyways, and they're being demonized for the the right things

13.) I'm sure you would rather have let them go out of business and just go straight for depression right?

15.) good thing too!

19.) the 1950's are over....

20.) see #19

22.) so? I'd rather let them take the burden than us

23.) we dont need the polish

28.) better to make them lukewarm acquaintances than fullout enemies

30.) lol

31.) ever hear of global warming?

32.) good.

34.) sources

35.) good....I would rather get my loans from the gov't who charges me less interest than the bank who doesnt

**whembly**

Happygrunt wrote:

10% real unemployment. 15%+ underemployment.
GDP less than 2%
The largest deficit in the history of mankind.
The horror show that is Obamacare instead of a proper program.
And for the record. We still have Gitmo.

I like Gitmo. I don't see any reason to scrap it. Off shore prison for dangers to the state seems perfectly reasonable. I knew he wouldn't remove it.

**Amaya**

Is it referring to liberals as socialists and communists or to actual political parties?

**whembly**

Knew I'd ruffle some feathers...

heh...

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Amaya wrote:
Is it referring to liberals as socialists and communists or to actual political parties?

I think that's get thrown around alot.

Classical Liberal is fine (as in JFK).

When you hear "liberals" in verbatim thrown around, I think they're trying to throw them in with left leaners (those are the socalist/communists).

**Seaward**

There are certainly better ways of phrasing that sentiment. Had it been me and I held similar views, I would have gone with, "Rape can lead to conception." The way he phrased it could very easily, and not incorrectly, be read as a statement akin to, "Conceiving via rape is fine."

**whembly**

Oh...and everyone... that's just a list of the "percieved' greivences that I"m seeing.

Whether they have any basis, thats debatable.

Do anyone want to see my Bush list?

**daedalus-templarius**

whembly wrote:

Knew I'd ruffle some feathers...

heh...

Your posts make me do this

**whembly**

Seaward wrote:
There are certainly better ways of phrasing that sentiment. Had it been me and I held similar views, I would have gone with, "Rape can lead to conception." The way he phrased it could very easily, and not incorrectly, be read as a statement akin to, "Conceiving via rape is fine."

True... he could've said it better.

But, dontcha know? It's "GOTCHA POLITICS" season now!

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daedalus-templarius wrote:

Spoiler:

whembly wrote:

Knew I'd ruffle some feathers...

heh...

Your posts make me do this

Right... dunno what I'm thinking these days... this is a OT forum for plastic little men...

If you met me in person, you'd never know I typed this...

**Frazzled**

whembly wrote:
Oh...and everyone... that's just a list of the "percieved' greivences that I"m seeing.

Whether they have any basis, thats debatable.

Do anyone want to see my Bush list?

I have a Buchanan list...