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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2262850/Gene-Rosen-Conspiracy-theorists-attack-Sandy-Hook-hero-sheltered-children-massacre.html

Are you fething kidding me? What the hell is this!?

And a cursory Google search indicates that yes, there are people who think this guy is an actor and the whole Sandy Hook think is a hoax perpetrated by the government.

Seriously. Seriously? What the gak?

It's pretty disgusting, to put it mildly.

I'm not sure if those country has always been so rife with stupidity, or if the internet just empowers the same (unchanged) ratio of stupidity, or if the latter leads to the former or what. The adoption of conspiracy theorism into the mainstream is bizarre, that's for sure.

I heard it was reptilians and that they were all actors...

 Ouze wrote:
I'm not sure if those country has always been so rife with stupidity, or if the internet just empowers the same (unchanged) ratio of stupidity, or if the latter leads to the former or what. The adoption of conspiracy theorism into the mainstream is bizarre, that's for sure.

The internet has allowed the thousands of monkeys to begin putting their ideas out without being tarred and feathered

I've got no words strong enough to voice my contempt for those people. Someone at work called me over to see a two minute snippet of a vid they made and I haven't bothered looking at anything else they've put out.

There's been a significant amount of contradiction so for a lot of people they're like "wait what?". That all feeds things like this. Then for the paranoid fringe everything's a conspiracy any way. Throw in emotional subject matter, dead kids, firearms rights, etc and you have a perfect storm for stupid gak.

Here is the blog post in which James Tracy (the professor from FAU discussed in the OP's article) questions whether or not Sandy Hook took place as authorities described.

Honestly, while I don't defend anything the guy is saying, its less an outright conspiracy theory than it is a weak attempt at indicting state information policy, and what he would doubtlessly refer to as "mainstream" media.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Throw in emotional subject matter, dead kids, firearms rights, etc and you have a perfect storm for stupid gak.

Firearms rights is the big one, I think. At least given the high correlation between the irrational belief in a secretly tyrannical US government, and fervent 2nd Amendment advocacy. To clarify, I'm not claiming that people who engage in 2nd Amendment advocacy tend to be conspiracy theorists, but that conspiracy theorist tend to engage in 2nd Amendment advocacy.

The sad part is that I'm not even remotely surprised. No matter how hard someone tries to do something good, they will inevitably be taunted, branded as part of some conspiracy that fits into a politically-based worldview (often with no real backing in terms of facts or things that happened in reality), or otherwise brought low.

It's times like this I'm glad superheroes don't exist. If they did, I imagine something like this would happen and eventually end up pushing one of them off the deep end. Kinda like in Irredeemable.

I thought this was the Robbie Parker one. And now you have forced me to watch two more SH conspiracy videos. OP you are dead to me.

 dogma wrote:
Here is the blog post in which James Tracy (the professor from FAU discussed in the OP's article) questions whether or not Sandy Hook took place as authorities described.

Honestly, while I don't defend anything the guy is saying, its less an outright conspiracy theory than it is a weak attempt at indicting state information policy, and what he would doubtlessly refer to as "mainstream" media.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Throw in emotional subject matter, dead kids, firearms rights, etc and you have a perfect storm for stupid gak.

Firearms rights is the big one, I think. At least given the high correlation between the irrational belief in a secretly tyrannical US government, and fervent 2nd Amendment advocacy. To clarify, I'm not claiming that people who engage in 2nd Amendment advocacy tend to be conspiracy theorists, but that conspiracy theorist tend to engage in 2nd Amendment advocacy.

James tracy is peddling a book of his coming out next week and is a professor of conspiracy theories (what? who hired this feth wad?) coincidence???

 Frazzled wrote:

James tracy is peddling a book of his coming out next week and is a professor of conspiracy theories (what? who hired this feth wad?) coincidence???

I can't find anything about a book he's releasing in 2013. The only thing I can find is a book he contributed a chapter to that probably hasn't been made available for purchase yet.

its coming.

Anything for some attention I guess. Trolls, to label them in the most dakka friendly way w/o getting banned. They may get attention from those, though, that have blood on their minds.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - the problem in the US isn't with guns but with gun culture.

While most gun owners are perfectly normal folk enjoying a good, fun hobby, there is a significant fringe that is, frankly, completely fething moon bat crazy. They invent all kinds of lunacy and spread around their own little circles, getting ever more paranoid about ridiculous nonsense.

The recent thing we saw posted here about the guys that won't their own self sustaining castle in case of a total system collapse are a harmless variation on the same thing.

 sebster wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again - the problem in the US isn't with guns but with gun culture.

While most gun owners are perfectly normal folk enjoying a good, fun hobby, there is a significant fringe that is, frankly, completely fething moon bat crazy. They invent all kinds of lunacy and spread around their own little circles, getting ever more paranoid about ridiculous nonsense.

The recent thing we saw posted here about the guys that won't their own self sustaining castle in case of a total system collapse are a harmless variation on the same thing.

I doubt most gun owners own guns for the 'hobby.'

 Seaward wrote:
I doubt most gun owners own guns for the 'hobby.'

Or for self defence. Whatever.

Well, now it's all out in the open so we can ridicule them properly.

Being that stupid should hurt.

People still deny the Holocaust. What's new.

The tragedy here is giving these so-called "truthers" media attention.

 sebster wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again - the problem in the US isn't with guns but with gun culture.

While most gun owners are perfectly normal folk enjoying a good, fun hobby, there is a significant fringe that is, frankly, completely fething moon bat crazy. They invent all kinds of lunacy and spread around their own little circles, getting ever more paranoid about ridiculous nonsense.

The recent thing we saw posted here about the guys that won't their own self sustaining castle in case of a total system collapse are a harmless variation on the same thing.

I support the castle thing honestly. Let the moon bats go live where they won't bother any one else... be nice if we could do the same for the obnoxious breeds of Californians and New Yorkers


edit: also those guido creatures that they featured on the Jersey Shore... the dark side of the moon seems a good place to keep them.

 sebster wrote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again - the problem in the US isn't with guns but with gun culture.

While most gun owners are perfectly normal folk enjoying a good, fun hobby, there is a significant fringe that is, frankly, completely fething moon bat crazy. They invent all kinds of lunacy and spread around their own little circles, getting ever more paranoid about ridiculous nonsense.

The recent thing we saw posted here about the guys that won't their own self sustaining castle in case of a total system collapse are a harmless variation on the same thing.

So says the guy who doesn't live here.

Yup, my opinion on people just fell down a shaft because of this. Anyone got a mop?

Maybe they could go and live in the Glenn Beck Randian Paradise.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
edit: also those guido creatures that they featured on the Jersey Shore... the dark side of the moon seems a good place to keep them.

No, please no. Then whenever I listen to pink floyd I won't be able to get the image of snooki out of my head Why would you do that to me?

Slightly more on topic, crazy people are crazy, they've been crazy since forever, and the only difference now is that the Internet allows them to shove the crazy into other people's faces like some insane Jehovah's Witnesses.

The people arguing that this was a government plot are crazy, but mildly benign. The people arguing that it was a satanic ritual make me want to reach through my computer and slap them round the face whilst screaming "How's this for devilry!?"
I'm okay with religion, I'm okay with stupidity, when you combine the two however, then I find it offensive.

 Goliath wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
edit: also those guido creatures that they featured on the Jersey Shore... the dark side of the moon seems a good place to keep them.

No, please no. Then whenever I listen to pink floyd I won't be able to get the image of snooki out of my head Why would you do that to me?

Slightly more on topic, crazy people are crazy, they've been crazy since forever, and the only difference now is that the Internet allows them to shove the crazy into other people's faces like some insane Jehovah's Witnesses.

The people arguing that this was a government plot are crazy, but mildly benign. The people arguing that it was a satanic ritual make me want to reach through my computer and slap them round the face whilst screaming "How's this for devilry!?"
I'm okay with religion, I'm okay with stupidity, when you combine the two however, then I find it offensive.

The bolded bit made me spit coffee out I was laughing so hard.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I support the castle thing honestly. Let the moon bats go live where they won't bother any one else... be nice if we could do the same for the obnoxious breeds of Californians and New Yorkers

Fair point, well made. Let them march around their castle walls, playing their little soldier games.


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 Frazzled wrote:
So says the guy who doesn't live here.

Right, because you can only tell an NRA ad that fails to understand the difference in security needs between the President's children and your average fourth grader is completely nutty when you're in the continental USA.

 sebster wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I support the castle thing honestly. Let the moon bats go live where they won't bother any one else... be nice if we could do the same for the obnoxious breeds of Californians and New Yorkers

Fair point, well made. Let them march around their castle walls, playing their little soldier games.

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We as a culture I think seem to have issues with the concept of separatists. The possibility that individuals of a group don't want to live like the rest of us do and will go live their own way in the own place. I personally don't have an issue with it. If you have the money for such a project, the will and the people go for it so long as you follow all applicable law, who's it gonna really bother?

Oddly enough, I'm more sympathetic (hmm... that's not quite the right word...) of these people. I suspect that many "Sandy Hook Truthers" are just those whom are having difficulty dealing with such a horrendous, senseless act and are desperately looking to make sense of it. That is, their own subconsious has created a defense mechanism wherein they would think it's all a big fake conspiracy, rather than become aware that sometimes monstrous things happen to innocent and undeserving people.

It's really not too far removed from the psychology behind blaming the victims of rape.


...however, there are also those who are exploiting the Sandy Hook tragedy in order to capitalize for their own gains. Those people should all get colon cancer and die.

 azazel the cat wrote:
Oddly enough, I'm more sympathetic (hmm... that's not quite the right word...) of these people. I suspect that many "Sandy Hook Truthers" are just those whom are having difficulty dealing with such a horrendous, senseless act and are desperately looking to make sense of it. That is, their own subconsious has created a defense mechanism wherein they would think it's all a big fake conspiracy, rather than become aware that sometimes monstrous things happen to innocent and undeserving people.

It's really not too far removed from the psychology behind blaming the victims of rape.


...however, there are also those who are exploiting the Sandy Hook tragedy in order to capitalize for their own gains. Those people should all get colon cancer and die.

If the entire US Congress and most of the executive branch mysteriously gets colon cancer all at once, I'm calling the FBI and pointing you out as the killer

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
We as a culture I think seem to have issues with the concept of separatists. The possibility that individuals of a group don't want to live like the rest of us do and will go live their own way in the own place. I personally don't have an issue with it. If you have the money for such a project, the will and the people go for it so long as you follow all applicable law, who's it gonna really bother?

I don't think the issue is with seperatists, but with crazy seperatists. And these are genuine, 100% crazy ass lunatics. I mean, they've got rules and regulations for firearms so everyone is prepared if society comes down... but they've got no hospital.

It's gun fetishism that's trying to get a postcode.


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 azazel the cat wrote:
Oddly enough, I'm more sympathetic (hmm... that's not quite the right word...) of these people. I suspect that many "Sandy Hook Truthers" are just those whom are having difficulty dealing with such a horrendous, senseless act and are desperately looking to make sense of it. That is, their own subconsious has created a defense mechanism wherein they would think it's all a big fake conspiracy, rather than become aware that sometimes monstrous things happen to innocent and undeserving people.

Nah, because it's all tied up in issues of gun control. What they're doing here is seeing that an event that promotes the argument of their political opponents, and inventing a fantasy that instead makes their political opponents the villains and therefore themselves the noble heroes fighting that villain.

It's fantasy roleplaying.