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I'd like to know the common opinion on this. Whether multiplayer or singleplayer, many games have exploitable glitches- extra experience, health, or items, to name a few.

But is it "right" to use them? What do you think?

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You get banned for doing it on almost all games. It's cheating.
   
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In multiplayer it's cheating. In singleplayer do whatever the hell you want.

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I'll do it in Singleplayer but it's pretty low in Multiplayer...

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If it does something silly/funny/ cool in single player I'll do it. I love exploring maps and trying to find ways to "escape'' them. Glitching for experience, health, achievements, or other things is stupid though and I don't really see the point in it, as the glitches are often very monotonous and boring.

Glitching in multiplayer is a low thing to do. If it's you and a couple of friends goofing around in a private server trying to break the map and have some fun that's fine, but often times many people use it for unfair gain, getting to inaccessable spots where they're either invisible, invincible, or both.

So yeah, if its not hurting anything, whatever, go for it. But most of the time it's done with cheating or gaming the system in mind.

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 4oursword wrote:
I'd like to know the common opinion on this. Whether multiplayer or singleplayer, many games have exploitable glitches- extra experience, health, or items, to name a few.

But is it "right" to use them? What do you think?
In competitive multiplayer, it depends on the bug/glitch. Getting on top of a few of the maps in Blacklight: Retribution for example is annoying, but there's almost no cover up there so you're just making yourself vulnerable to sniping by any competent player. So you're really just setting yourself up for a headshot, since everyone knows you're there if they've paid any bit attention.

In single player or co-operative multiplayer, abuse the FETH out of that glitch. Abuse it until it goes home crying to its mommy.

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I dunno about abusing glitches in games. It feels like if you were cheating on a test. What's the point of playing the game if you're not going to play it? I mean i don't purposely try to take advantage of a glitch but i have sometimes. I'd rather not as i feel really dirty afterwards like i need to take a shower and re-think my life .

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Meh. I'll use them if they're hilarious.

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Gunz the Duel actually makes an interesting case here. I haven't played since my Freshmen year in college, but at the time, glitches with the swords in the game were rampant and very overpowered but came to define the games meta. They weren't that difficult to exploit and everyone pretty much did it.

So I'd say it comes down to the community. Either they accept the use of a glitch as fair or acceptable or they reject it. Most of the time I figure we fall on the later.

   
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Depends on the nature of the glitch/bug. Some go to add depth to the gameplay. For example, combos were originally a bug in Street Fighter 2, but today they're a hallmark of the entire Fighting Game genre.
   
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I think less emphasis should be put on people exploiting broken aspects on the game, and more on the devs who should be fixing it.

With that said, I never use exploits unless a particularly silly one that gives a disadvantage more than an advantage.

Punishing people for making use of everything given to them is ridiculous.

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In Multiplayer, it depends on the glitch, if it is a PVP glitch, then feth you, you deserver to be banned. If it is a glitch which does not affect the player community e.g. Jumping through Stormwind walls I am fine with that. I am also fine with people expoliting boss mechanics and boss loot glitches in games. In Single Player, do the feth you want, glitch as you much as you can, I don't give a crap.

 
   
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Abusing glitches in games is low. Unless it's "Crazy Legs" on Team Fortress 2, in which case it's hilarious.

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The funny ones are cool but the ones like in WaW where you just got shot from under the map or something annoying are kinda crap.

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It depends on the nature of the bug/glitch for me.

In the Halo games, I will always (and most of the time succeed) try to get vehicles where they shouldn't be able to go. No harm done (it's campaign), lots of fun. Adds a challenge and when successful only adds a small advantage.

In RPGs, if there is a XP glitch, I generally try to avoid it on the first play though, just ruins the game. I'll usually use it on a subsequent play-through, get bored with how easy it made the game, and start another play-though where I don't use it.

If I'm grinding a boss/whatever for loot in some game or another, and there's a glitch that makes it go by faster and the grind is only there because the developers felt like artificially increasing the time it takes to play the game, I'll abuse the hell out of the glitch.

Using a glitch for an advantage in multiplayer is cheating (IMO) and I'll never intentionally do it.

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I hate it when people use the glitch in the power station in tranzit...(me) "i need reviving" (other person doing the glitch) "sorry doing the glitch and i cant help you" (me) "fine then!" (i die) (i drop down to sort them out) (other person) "stop standing on the woofld or the glitch wont work!!!" (me) so you dont want any power ups then and your in a bad place if electro dude attacks you?" (other person) stop standing on the wood!"....in the end i got annoyed and knifed the player into the lava when the round ended....I hate this glitch as i lose all my stuff and you cant get perks such as juggernog

 
   
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There was a few guys in EVE online who abused a glitch, the proceeds were confiscated from them, but it was pretty ingenious.

1. There was a system called 'Faction Warfare' where you got point if your killed a person of the other faction, depending on the value you got more or less, and the points could be cashed in for stuff.

2. They then made alts, and got a hauler on the account (ship with a large cargohold)

3. they found a really obscure item, and by putting up high orders for it on the market, managed to manipulate the average price thousands of times it's actual value.

4. they then blew these up these hauler accounts, who were in another faction, and collected the points, rinse, repeat.

In the end, they made 14 TRILLION of ingame money (called ISK).

Remember that a month of ingame time is £10, and worth about 500 million ISK.

Now THAT required now cleverness and cunning. Not right of course, but you can kind of respect the guys who did it for having the idea.


 
   
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 winnertakesall wrote:
There was a few guys in EVE online who abused a glitch, the proceeds were confiscated from them, but it was pretty ingenious.

1. There was a system called 'Faction Warfare' where you got point if your killed a person of the other faction, depending on the value you got more or less, and the points could be cashed in for stuff.

2. They then made alts, and got a hauler on the account (ship with a large cargohold)

3. they found a really obscure item, and by putting up high orders for it on the market, managed to manipulate the average price thousands of times it's actual value.

4. they then blew these up these hauler accounts, who were in another faction, and collected the points, rinse, repeat.

In the end, they made 14 TRILLION of ingame money (called ISK).

Remember that a month of ingame time is £10, and worth about 500 million ISK.

Now THAT required now cleverness and cunning. Not right of course, but you can kind of respect the guys who did it for having the idea.


That's not a glitch. That's bad game design.

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In BloodRayne 2 there was an exploit where you could do one of the kill puzzles by just walking past the crashed helicopter. You were supposed to throw enemies into the propeller to pass.

Of course, considering how unbelievably difficult that puzzle was, the developers might have put that in there to be merciful.
Not saying you have to use the glitch to beat the puzzle; it is completely possible to do it properly. It's just really hard.

Anyone else remember cheat codes in the old days of gaming?
Like that code in Age of Empires that gave you nuke firing future soldiers, or shotgun wielding babies?
Good times

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 Doctadeth wrote:
I remember the roof glitch in LFD mercy hospital. There is one roof that the normal zeds won't touch. Only special zeds can get to it. Even with boomer barfing or bile, the normal zeds will stop short.


Left4Dead was a great one for it...
I remember using the Jesus closet (No Mercy), Jesus rock (Death Toll), Jesus plane (Dead Air) on the finales of the first 3 campaigns on expert...
I didn't technically do Blood Harvest with a glitch but it's (or was) easy to figure out where to stand so the tank despawns...
There are also a bunch of ways to get through various bits of the level without calling a horde down...

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Hell sometimes it seemed like you HAD to use glitches on the hard modes of L4D.

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The whole point of gaming is to have fun.

If you're exploiting a glitch for advantage in multiplayer and you're ruining someone else's fun (hiding under a map like COD; World at War) then it's pretty contemptible, and you probably deserve whatever punishment is coming your way. If its single player then it depends if it impacts on your enjoyment of the game.

 
   
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 Melissia wrote:
Hell sometimes it seemed like you HAD to use glitches on the hard modes of L4D.

Fairly sure it was near impossible otherwise unless you had a very well coordinated team

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"Further proof that Purple is a fething brilliant super villain " -KingCracker
"Purp.. Im pretty sure I have a gun than can reach you...."-Nicorex
"That's not really an apocalypse. That's just Europe."-Grakmar
"almost as good as winning free cake at the tea drinking contest for an Englishman." -Reds8n
Seal up your lips and give no words but mum.
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 Shrike325 wrote:
 winnertakesall wrote:
There was a few guys in EVE online who abused a glitch, the proceeds were confiscated from them, but it was pretty ingenious.

1. There was a system called 'Faction Warfare' where you got point if your killed a person of the other faction, depending on the value you got more or less, and the points could be cashed in for stuff.

2. They then made alts, and got a hauler on the account (ship with a large cargohold)

3. they found a really obscure item, and by putting up high orders for it on the market, managed to manipulate the average price thousands of times it's actual value.

4. they then blew these up these hauler accounts, who were in another faction, and collected the points, rinse, repeat.

In the end, they made 14 TRILLION of ingame money (called ISK).

Remember that a month of ingame time is £10, and worth about 500 million ISK.

Now THAT required now cleverness and cunning. Not right of course, but you can kind of respect the guys who did it for having the idea.


That's not a glitch. That's bad game design.


Thats not bad game design. Its taking advantage of the market

   
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It doesn't matter in singleplayer games. Should be an automatic permaban in multiplayer games.

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 LordofHats wrote:
 Shrike325 wrote:
 winnertakesall wrote:
There was a few guys in EVE online who abused a glitch, the proceeds were confiscated from them, but it was pretty ingenious.

...Stuff...

Now THAT required now cleverness and cunning. Not right of course, but you can kind of respect the guys who did it for having the idea.


That's not a glitch. That's bad game design.


Thats not bad game design. Its taking advantage of the market


The thing with Eve is that normally they'd let you keep the spoils, and patch the exploit.
Eve a big old list of exploits that the devs know of, and committing any of them gets you a slap. Some bigger than others.
The game is no-holds-barred, but there are limits even there.

Otherwise, for most games, the ban-hammer is too good for people who glitch in multiplayer games, especially when there's money involved.
Games with micro-transactions for the game, bans (with fair appeal) should be handed out more often.

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Another glitch for COD zombies...the call of the dead flying glitch/get into the lighthouse without opening the door....I watched a video by therelaxingend (one of the best zombie players ever) and he was trolling a 32 year old glitcher in call of the dead..for example when the glitcher got into the lighthouse for free...he opened the door and when the glicher had a crawler...he shot it..on the end the glicher ended the game.

 
   
 
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