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Just to clarify no daemons allowed! This can be from tabletop as well but mainly fluff. My main contenders are: Nagash, Sigmar, Lord Kroak, Aenarion, Nefrata, Aborash, Arkhan the Black, Alcaddizar, Asvar Kul that's about all I could think of, let me know what you think...
Edit: No gods or old ones. Characters that don't have rules are still allowed!

Do you mean physically or magically? Most of the ones you listed are magically powerful with some degree of separation. For instance, Nagash was casting a spell to wipe out all life in the world and Lord Kroak can split continents with his magic. That's heads and tails above people like Neferata or Arkhan the black in power.

 Brotherjanus wrote:
Do you mean physically or magically? Most of the ones you listed are magically powerful with some degree of separation. For instance, Nagash was casting a spell to wipe out all life in the world and Lord Kroak can split continents with his magic. That's heads and tails above people like Neferata or Arkhan the black in power.

I mean overall as in how would they deal fighting an army alone or how would they do in a 1v1 anything just your opinion.


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I think the best is probably Nagash followed by Aenarion and then Sigmar but that's just my choice.

I'd say Nagash is the strongest single being in the warhammer world, though i am bias as a Vampire Counts player.

I'd say Archaon as he is meant to be the one who ends the world...

Not sure if you mean fluff or what.

Kroak is probably the top of the list. People like Sigmar were just dudes. Doesn't matter if he had a nice hammer and later became a demigod. Kroak stopped a daemon incursion. He was taught magic by the Old Ones themselves, taught magic to the High Elves before they even wrote down their history (pshaw, books). Probably helped in terraforming the planet. Maybe helped move the planet closer to the sun. And even when he was literally torn limb from limb by daemons, that didn't kill him.

Nagash was tough and all, but he fought petty battles with guys on chariots. Or rats. Kroak was around before humans were even created, and who knows, maybe helped create them.

Other than the Daemons and other than that one giant super Dragon Ogre whose name I don't feel like looking up, he's the oldest named SC around. And in terms of his resume, I don't think anyone can come close.

DukeRustfield wrote:
Not sure if you mean fluff or what.

Kroak is probably the top of the list. People like Sigmar were just dudes. Doesn't matter if he had a nice hammer and later became a demigod. Kroak stopped a daemon incursion. He was taught magic by the Old Ones themselves, taught magic to the High Elves before they even wrote down their history (pshaw, books). Probably helped in terraforming the planet. Maybe helped move the planet closer to the sun. And even when he was literally torn limb from limb by daemons, that didn't kill him.

Nagash was tough and all, but he fought petty battles with guys on chariots. Or rats. Kroak was around before humans were even created, and who knows, maybe helped create them.

Other than the Daemons and other than that one giant super Dragon Ogre whose name I don't feel like looking up, he's the oldest named SC around. And in terms of his resume, I don't think anyone can come close.

Aenarion did pretty much the same thing and I have a feeling Nagash would break both of them but I do agree that that dragon ogre guy like Karanak the black or something would be strong.

Aenarion isn't an SC. I guess Sigmar and such aren't either. I wasn't even talking about Karanak. He's obviously some god-thing and he's as big as a mountain and nothing is going to be able to fight him. Which is why he's not a SC with stats. The Maw would also win. Whatever it is, it grants spells.

If they don't have stats, they don't count. Kroak taught Aenarion's people how to use magic. And was around when that race was actually created. And Aenarion used a god's sword to fight off the daemon incursion, Kroak used his froggy brain.

Pure strength its hard to look past Kholek Suneater s8 in the game.....but as stated by some of dakka brethren more details need to be given as to what strength your looking to be debated upon

I suppose we should decide whether we are deciding on what they're intended to do vs what they actually do. If we are judging this on points-impact on the game, Teclis takes it. But if we judge it by the background, it is probably someone like Kroak or Kholek.

Thorgrim in stats.
No Questions.
Fluff wise I think put Grimnir and Grungi together and they'll kick Nagash's immortal face to finer dust and then bite the Ankles off Sigmar and eat him alive for Breakfast!
Just imagine that...
But other than that and Gotrek and Felix (Worst Slayer to ever live, but a damned fine killing machine!
Lord Kroak is actually the most powerful being in the Warhammer World imho, and probably the Oldest. He caused the End of the Golden Age of the Dwarves single-handedly and could probably kill entire legions just by opening his brain up to them and showing them his whole life of Horrors and they would just impale each other on their own sticks rather than face Kroak.

DukeRustfield wrote:
Aenarion isn't an SC. I guess Sigmar and such aren't either. I wasn't even talking about Karanak. He's obviously some god-thing and he's as big as a mountain and nothing is going to be able to fight him. Which is why he's not a SC with stats. The Maw would also win. Whatever it is, it grants spells.

If they don't have stats, they don't count. Kroak taught Aenarion's people how to use magic. And was around when that race was actually created. And Aenarion used a god's sword to fight off the daemon incursion, Kroak used his froggy brain.

Well actually hate to tell you but if they don't have stats they DO still count in this thread.



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 baxter123 wrote:
Thorgrim in stats.
No Questions.
Fluff wise I think put Grimnir and Grungi together and they'll kick Nagash's immortal face to finer dust and then bite the Ankles off Sigmar and eat him alive for Breakfast!
Just imagine that...
But other than that and Gotrek and Felix (Worst Slayer to ever live, but a damned fine killing machine!
Lord Kroak is actually the most powerful being in the Warhammer World imho, and probably the Oldest. He caused the End of the Golden Age of the Dwarves single-handedly and could probably kill entire legions just by opening his brain up to them and showing them his whole life of Horrors and they would just impale each other on their own sticks rather than face Kroak.

I still think Natasha would slap them around

 thedarkavenger wrote:
I'd say Archaon as he is meant to be the one who ends the world...

Seconded.
He is the Everchosen people.

Although Nagash is probably the most powerful non-playable character, he isn't technically a SC in terms of on the table character. I would say that for on the table playing wise my bet would be Kholek Suneater, M:8 WS:8 and S:8 with W:8. As far as fluff goes I would say either Wulfrik the Wanderer, come on the man is cursed to wander the earth for eternity battling every great warrior. Or Valkia the Bloody, she died once and Khorne swore she would never die again, so yeah either one of those based on fluff would make them both pretty bad "a" in battle.

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:
I'd say Archaon as he is meant to be the one who ends the world...

Seconded.
He is the Everchosen people.

I'll third that.

Living Kroak would have just turned anyone else on the list into a puddle of goo, but he ain't living anymore.

The next best thing is his student Mazdamundi, it'd probably be a toss up between him and the Archaon. The ultimate destruction vs order deathmatch that'd be.

Galrauch (hes technically not a daemon). hes just plain awesome hes got the strength of one of the oldest dragons COMBINED with the magical might of a Greater Daemon of Tzeench

BaconUprising wrote:

Well actually hate to tell you but if they don't have stats they DO still count in this thread.

That's silly. If you're going to say they don't need stats it becomes pretty simple.

The Old Ones. Done. They created the fuxing moon with their spaceship. They physically moved the planet. They created every race barring a few. They taught magic to mortal/immortal races.

After the Cataclysm.

The Ruinous Powers. And you said no Daemons but Khorne and such aren't Daemons they are gods. They got at least 3 whole army books who they give power to.

Gotrek is hands down the most BA dude in the Warhammer world. He has single handedly slain a Bloodthirster and a Keeper of Secrets.

DukeRustfield wrote:

BaconUprising wrote:

Well actually hate to tell you but if they don't have stats they DO still count in this thread.

That's silly. If you're going to say they don't need stats it becomes pretty simple.

The Old Ones. Done. They created the fuxing moon with their spaceship. They physically moved the planet. They created every race barring a few. They taught magic to mortal/immortal races.

After the Cataclysm.

The Ruinous Powers. And you said no Daemons but Khorne and such aren't Daemons they are gods. They got at least 3 whole army books who they give power to.

Fine no old ones or gods, I pretty much said n chaos because I meant no gods. I also meant that it doesn't have to be just tabletop characters and that's why I put including fluff.

The problem with fluff is it's fluff. If you read character descriptions of SC's they are often godlike. But their stats can often be mediocre.

The father of the dragon ogres is as big as a mountain. Again, nothing could possibly fight that.

Except for maybe one of the ancient dragons that are as old and big as him, that're supposed to be hiding someplace cooler.

Kroak didn't cause the dwarven empire to crumble by himself, but he had help from the CATASTROPIC explosion in skavenblight caused by a massive magical device that practically hollowed out the world...

Plus now he only knows one spell, and isn't that powerful. I'd say mazamundi is more powerful now. If we are going off ''in there prime'' then maybe he would win but nagash in his prime would be a close second. If we are on about the latest news, nagash would beat mazamundi by a tiny bit, but only by using his warp stone. Those two are by far the most powerful things alive (well, kinda...) and they would vaporize Archon and put that big ass dragn ogre back to sleep.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Kroak didn't cause the dwarven empire to crumble by himself, but he had help from the CATASTROPIC explosion in skavenblight caused by a massive magical device that practically hollowed out the world...

Plus now he only knows one spell, and isn't that powerful. I'd say mazamundi is more powerful now. If we are going off ''in there prime'' then maybe he would win but nagash in his prime would be a close second. If we are on about the latest news, nagash would beat mazamundi by a tiny bit, but only by using his warp stone. Those two are by far the most powerful things alive (well, kinda...) and they would vaporize Archon and put that big ass dragn ogre back to sleep.

Totally agree with this!

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:
I'd say Archaon as he is meant to be the one who ends the world...

Seconded.
He is the Everchosen people.

Because the Chaos gods plans haven't been disrupted before.

 djones520 wrote:
Because the Chaos gods plans haven't been disrupted before.

Storm of Chaos. Just sayin'.

bigyounk wrote:Gotrek is hands down the most BA dude in the Warhammer world. He has single handedly slain a Bloodthirster and a Keeper of Secrets.

Havent read the Keeper one yet, but he did NOT kill the Thirster single handed, not by a LONG shot...in fact, he nwasnt even the one that killed it in the end...

thedarkavenger wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
Because the Chaos gods plans haven't been disrupted before.

Storm of Chaos. Just sayin'.

I think he was being sarcastic.....

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:

Plus now he only knows one spell, and isn't that powerful.

Except he's saying this is based on fluff and not stats (even though that's relatively pointless, as I stated). His one spell supposedly wiped out thousands and thousands of daemons in one go. Obviously the stats of it aren't that great, which is why you evaluate stats. Because you can actually come up with a conclusive answer on numbers. 5>3. But fluff is just fluff. Kroak's fluff > Mazdamundi's IMHO.

Gotrek, may not have been the one to kill the bloodthirster (Since Felix was fated to be the hero that day) But Gotrek has been failed to kill whatever he was fighting, and he has fought the toughest of the Tough. I swear if he had made it to wear Archeon was during the Storm of Chaos. Well boys, take your halberds and bows and pack em up, Gotrek just won the war single handedly.

I think archaon would chop gotrek and Felix put together into gory little chunks. I think Sigmar would also have been able to utterly crush gotrek and Nagash would probably just kill him with his stare.