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Who would win if they all decided to dish it out, psi-bolts everywhere, and giant magic swords.... who is the ultimate God/dess of 40k?

Don't give the wimpy tzeentch answer.... we know he schemes...

I'm just giving you tzeentch guys crap

Warp Entities are directly proportional in strength to how much power they can get from psychic beings in the Materium.

Gork/Mork absorb the emotional reflections of every Ork in the galaxy. They win.

I voted "other" but what I mean is FORGE WORLD.

The ork gods are so much more poweful than any of the other big warp entities that they wouldn't even notice they were being attacked.

I say the Emporer or Khorne.

Before Tzeentch broke his staff, Tzeentch.

After Tzeentch broke his staff but before I put it back together for him, probably Mork.

Mork, after all, contains the best qualities of Tzeentch and Khorne.

Tzeench would put himself in a situation where whoever wins, he's the real winner. The Laughing God also has a good chance of having such a contingency as well.

But a straight-up fight? I'm seeing it going something like this:

1) Gork and Mork are fighting and are interrupted by the fight between the rest of the gods.
2) Gork and Mork take a break from whatever argument they're having, and proceed to wipe the floor with everyone else.
3) Gork and Mork go back to fighting each other, while Tzeench and the Laughing God go off to play chess or something

The thing is, while the Emperor and the Chaos Gods are sustained by the emotions of almost all living things, the orks are the second-most psychically-sensitive race in the galaxy, and they far outnumber their opposition.

Not only that, but the orks are extragalactic as well, since the probe sent outside the galaxy reported nothing but greenskins.

So my verdict? Gork and Mork win the battle, Tzeench and Cegorach win the war.

Cthulu.

Either him or a strawberry pop-tart.

 forrestfire wrote:
Tzeench would put himself in a situation where whoever wins, he's the real winner. The Laughing God also has a good chance of having such a contingency as well.

But a straight-up fight? I'm seeing it going something like this:

1) Gork and Mork are fighting and are interrupted by the fight between the rest of the gods.
2) Gork and Mork take a break from whatever argument they're having, and proceed to wipe the floor with everyone else.
3) Gork and Mork go back to fighting each other, while Tzeench and the Laughing God go off to play chess or something

The thing is, while the Emperor and the Chaos Gods are sustained by the emotions of almost all living things, the orks are the second-most psychically-sensitive race in the galaxy, and they far outnumber their opposition.

Not only that, but the orks are extragalactic as well, since the probe sent outside the galaxy reported nothing but greenskins.

So my verdict? Gork and Mork win the battle, Tzeench and Cegorach win the war.

Ya, I hear the Gork and Mork and no one stands up for the Hive Mind? An entity that disrupts warp energy, that cannot be contained within any realm of existence nor even be reasonably described, has already consumed at least one other Galaxy and/or is actively plaguing multiple galaxies at once, take your pick of whichever is more awesome.

Thing is, if all the "gods" are doing battle, that means all life has been wiped out, and if there are no living psychic creatures left to fuel the warp or the gods who rely on emotions, then the C'Tan and Hive Mind will battle it out until the stars burn out long after all the gods and the races that fed them have been extinguished and then once the C'tan starve out from lack of stars to feed on then the Hive Mind will still be exactly as it is; maybe it is like Galactus and was formed when the universe was as the proverbial shark to recycle and refresh the universe and if the Hive Mind dies so does the universe only to start anew. None of the chaos gods nor Gork or Mork can make that claim.

All gods in the 40k universe are capable of being extinguished through lack of worship and/or the destruction of those who worship them, only the C'Tan and the Hive Mind don't seem to rely on that mechanic and seem to be more of a residue of the creation of the universe instead of the byproduct of the things that were created within a single galaxy millions of years after the fact. Essentially Tzeech and the other chaos gods win by prolonging the eternal game, the emperor had his chance at victory, failed and is now doomed to play the eternal game with the other chaos gods, The Eldar and their gods failed before ever really trying, The C'tan of this galaxy were contained like the greater and lesser daemons that exist in the halls of Titan but theoretically if the galaxy is destroyed they all get released and subsequently starve if they can't get to another galaxy before they starve.

The biggest problem with this is that GW hasn't really ever addressed other galaxies (from my recollection) except for references to Tyranids that came from outside and maybe Orks that have left the galaxy (Gork and Mork are mere children compared to the age of the C'Tan whom the Ork's [or their parent race] and Eldar were created by the old ones to fight against). It has even been hinted at that The Outsider who contains within it the latent memories and some abilities of all the C'Tan it consumed left the galaxy and became The Hive Mind or is in League with it. It stands to reason that the chaos gods plague the existence of the races of other galaxies, but it also stands to reason that other chaos gods exist in other galaxies that are different, but not the ones that the Hive Mind consumed. The Void Dragon is still only of this galaxy and may be the stronger of the C'Tan, but that is only speculation and what is known is that the Tyranids are ever-present and controlled by a universal mind that is capable of disrupting Warp Energy (and utilizing its own brand of psychic energy that is the weakness of the C'Tan) anywhere it looks and it sees everywhere the Tyranids touch simultaneously across multiple galaxies, now that is scale.

Hive Mind takes it because of all the fluff, the Hive Mind is the closest thing to an actual god while the others are just close enough to not split hairs over in the ignorance-filled war-torn wasteland of The Future Milky Way Galaxy.

Games Workshop, because dey some expensive models dere bru.

I'm a Tau player, and even I have to say the Nightbringer; Not the new one, either-the one that got sharded, somehow. I mean the WHOLE Nightbringer.

The Nightbringer was the C'tan of death; by extention, he had the power to throw black holes, blink out stars, and generally show off. So, since he could kill off every living creature out there, anything that's powered by them would go poof- Hive mind, warp gods, chaos and ork alike, all go poof.

The Emperor had trouble beating a starved C'tan, who wasn't even all that strong to begin with. So, obviously, now that he's a head in a jar, he'd get destroyed by a full-blown C'tan.

The only thing that could hope to stop him would be the Deceiver, and that's only because he could just trick him until the end of time.

Gork and Mork, duh.

It's got to be Gork and Mork.

According to previous GW prints:

1. When the first Gargant was built, Gork came to Khorne to gloat. Khorne was cowering in his thrown.

2. When Gork/Mork got bored, they once used Nurgle as a volleyball.

Older fluff and prints portrayed Gork/Mork as more powerful than the Chaos Gods, with Gork besting Khorne in combat at times.

Plus, dey da orkz

xraytango wrote:
Cthulu.

Either him or a strawberry pop-tart.

You. I like you.

Gork and Mork. Nurgle Volleyball.Khorne Cowering. Slaasesh being modest. ALL THESE BROUGHT BY GORK AND MORK.

Gork is cunningly brutal, whereas Mork is brutally cunning (or is it the other way around?) so they win.

The cake is a lie....

Also Gork

Definitely not the Emperor, the guy is a freakin' vegetable. All you would need to do is pull the plug on his throne!

In his current state, not the Emporer. If he was ever revived or became a purely warp based god, he would certainly beat every other god with the exceptions of Gork/Mork. The Emporer didn't have the beliefs of trillions of people thinking he was a God back when he was doing the great crusade, so if he ever awoke or was reborn or made a warp entity, then his existence alone would crush chaos. I'm guessing most of the emporers energy is currently directed at not dropping dead, with the rest going to the astronomicon.

Void dragon he would simply eat everything.

In all honesty i'd have to go with Draigo knowing his fluff. But apart from Draigo the laugthing god, just because he will annoy the other gods so much the explode. Dropping soap bombs on nurgle, putting super glue on the end of slaanesh's...items of pleasure, putting a whoopie cushion on the emperors throne. Thats kind of thing, evenyually they all give up and he rules the omniverse, where the screenw ill fade to black with his laughter and the words ''Why so serious?'' echo through out time.

Ummmmmmmmm, Gork and Mork. Its not even a contest.

 Billagio wrote:
Ummmmmmmmm, Gork and Mork. Its not even a contest.

Based on what?

I know in the past fluff they bat around the chaos gods like cat toys, but in order to fight the C'tan at their full power or Hive Mind they would have to focus and work together not to mention survive the extinction of the Ork Race. The C'tan enjoy feeding off of living creatures, but the night bringer and void dragon just might be able to exterminate all life in the galaxy by opening a series of black holes and unleashing radiation that will exterminate everything except for beings of pure energy if they truly felt threatened and then they'll feed on stars until life begins anew while the Hive Mind focuses on the other galaxies it exists in and kills off the Orks there if there are any. I don't know, if anything Gork and Mork are saved by the luck that the Old Ones' work backfired when they created the Ork Race to thrive and utilize means of travel that would enable them to surround the Necrons and C'tan and just might go to other galaxies, but unless they do, Gork and Mork die when the last Ork dies which is inevitable as even this galaxy will burn out someday and any "god" that is bound to it will go with it.

 Sorginak wrote:

 Billagio wrote:
Ummmmmmmmm, Gork and Mork. Its not even a contest.

the night bringer and void dragon just might be able to exterminate all life in the galaxy by opening a series of black holes and unleashing radiation that will exterminate everything except for beings of pure energy.

Errmmm, based on what?

There is REAL fluff about Gork and Mork fighting Khorne (albeit old fluff...) and that each wins as much as the other. Your C'tan fluff is utter rubbish, what makes you think they can do that? Quotes and page numbers preferably. If your gonna be a hypocrit, at least make it subtle.

No Chuck Norris option? I am disappointed...

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:

 Sorginak wrote:

 Billagio wrote:
Ummmmmmmmm, Gork and Mork. Its not even a contest.

the night bringer and void dragon just might be able to exterminate all life in the galaxy by opening a series of black holes and unleashing radiation that will exterminate everything except for beings of pure energy.

Errmmm, based on what?

There is REAL fluff about Gork and Mork fighting Khorne (albeit old fluff...) and that each wins as much as the other. Your C'tan fluff is utter rubbish, what makes you think they can do that? Quotes and page numbers preferably. If your gonna be a hypocrit, at least make it subtle.

Said the pot to the kettle, ten minutes typing the above names into Google will answer all your questions, but here you go:

It is said that the C'tan were created at the very beginning of the universe, spawned from swirling gases and enormous amounts of energy, and as such are etheric creatures by nature.[1] In their natural form they are vast beings and spread themselves over the surface of a star, sucking at its energy to feed themselves.[1] After a time, they learned to use diaphanous wings to travel to other stars to continue their consumption. The matter around them was so insignificant that it didn't even register to their voracious appetites.[1]
After several million years, the race known as the Necrontyr discovered a being feeding from their very sun. The Necrontyr, under the leadership of Szarekh, "the Silent King," managed to communicate with this being, naming its species the C'tan; which in native Necrontyr means "star gods," or "star vampires".[1] Eventually the Necrontyr built physical bodies for the C'tan made from Necrodermis or living metal. The C'tan were then transferred, supposedly across an "incorporeal starlight bridge," into their new bodies - thousands of miles of energy creature compressed into comparatively tiny bodies. (http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/C%27tan#.UUOFaBzvvIU)

*The first three gods became sentient by the end of M2 but Slaanesh didn't fully awaken until the Fall of the Eldar in M29. As the mortal races grew and prospered, so did the strength of their emotions. Eventually, the gods grew to such a point where they could act independently (http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Chaos_gods#.UUN_ihzvvIU)

*War in Heaven: In time, the C'tan began to dominate the galaxy whilst the Old Ones bastions were besieged and their nurtured races being fed upon like cattle by the eternal hunger of the star-gods. Entire worlds were razed, suns extinguished and entire star systems devoured whole by the terrible C'tan. Despite their legendary patience and implacability, the Old Ones began to grow desperate and began breeding new forms of life with an even stronger connection to the Warp, with the intention that these manipulated species having the power to channel their psychic might to defend themselves. Many warrior races were created in this manner and there is the belief that species such as the Eldar, K'nib and Rashan along with many others ranked among their number. (http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Old_Ones#.UUOAWxzvvIU)

The Orkoid races are believed to have been genetically engineered millenia ago. Ork legend attributes their creation to the Brain Boyz, a diminutive but extremely intelligent subspecies of Orkoid, who bred the Gretchin to be servants and the Orks to be warriors[1a].
Later evidence establishes that the Ork races may have in fact been created by the Old Ones, who are described as creating the Krork as part of a last-ditch attempt to fight off their enemies such as the Necrons and Enslavers. (http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Krork#.UUOBzBzvvIU)

In essence, the Chaos Gods and Gork/Mork were unleashed upon the galaxy accidentally by the Old Ones in an effort to fight the C'tan, and in the end it took the entirety of the unified races of the galaxy as well as the C'tan's personal salves (whom they made immortal) betraying them to just contain the C'tan in shards that are deteriorating and will one day break. The C'tan are responsible for the Geller Fields on Cadia that was their first effort to seal off the warp and it would have succeeded had the Necrons not turned on them (Thanks Matt Fing Ward for destroying Necron fluff and making me sell my beloved Necrons in disgust, you could have just made the C'tan part of the fluff & phase them out of the codex like you had no problem phasing out my pariahs, or better yet don't ^#%$ with he fluff at all!) and one could speculate that the Emperor got his idea for the golden throne or perhaps the technology of it from the Dragon of Mars/Void Dragon (C'tan) which also would have sealed off the warp.

The Chaos Gods, The Emepror, The Eldar Gods, Gork & Mork are all but children compared to the timelessness that is the C'tan who were created first among all "gods" and scentient "life" and will be there the day the universe ends, perhaps the Chaos Gods and Gork and Mork will be there to see it when it ends, but that is only if the C'tan aren't the ones who ultimately cause it; and they only came into the power they have over the material plane as a direct result of the terrifying power of the C'tan and the desperate measures taken to keep them at bay when they actually deemed the races of the universe worth their notice (as opposed to relying on them and keeping them in perpetual creation/destruction for their nourishment). The souls of mortals are but one of the foods C'tan eat, and only do so now because they enjoy the different flavors but by no means "need" them to have been created or survive.

The C'Tan are not Warp-beings. In fact, the Warp is utterly inimical to them, this is why they went to war with the Old Ones. The Void Dragon (or any of the other C'Tan) entering the Warp to do battle with the Chaos Gods would find its star-god self right well-spanked by a dimension where *none* of their powers function. What do immortal beings fear of Death? Nothing. Machines? There are none in the Warp, there is only Thought. The Outsider? Welcome to the Warp... you don't get any further "outside" than From Beyond. Thunderstorms, earthquakes and darkness? Bish, please. We have nightmares made sentient here.

The Hive Mind? It's a consciousness of bugs. Wipe out the bugs, the Hive Mind goes away. In the Warp itself? The bugs don't stand a chance.

 Psienesis wrote:
The C'Tan are not Warp-beings. In fact, the Warp is utterly inimical to them, this is why they went to war with the Old Ones. The Void Dragon (or any of the other C'Tan) entering the Warp to do battle with the Chaos Gods would find its star-god self right well-spanked by a dimension where *none* of their powers function. What do immortal beings fear of Death? Nothing. Machines? There are none in the Warp, there is only Thought. The Outsider? Welcome to the Warp... you don't get any further "outside" than From Beyond. Thunderstorms, earthquakes and darkness? Bish, please. We have nightmares made sentient here.

The Hive Mind? It's a consciousness of bugs. Wipe out the bugs, the Hive Mind goes away. In the Warp itself? The bugs don't stand a chance.

That's the thing, the C'tan don't need to enter the warp to battle the chaos gods, the chaos gods HAVE to bring their influence into the material world so they don't get sealed away by the C'tan. As they had to unify to keep the Emperor from sealing them away forever, they have a weakness in their reliance on the emotions of mortals and psykers to control and extend their influence. The Chaos Gods need life to continue or they will dwindle in power, the C'tan enjoy playing with life as eating stars gets boring if you've been doing it since the begging of time.

The Chaos Gods themselves cannot leave the Warp. So either the EoT expands to cover the entire galaxy, thus turning Realspace into The Warp, or the Chaos Gods and the C'Tan will never meet face-to-face.

and one could speculate that the Emperor got his idea for the golden throne or perhaps the technology of it from the Dragon of Mars/Void Dragon (C'tan) which also would have sealed off the warp.

The Emperor did not build the Golden Throne. They found that... somewhere. I want to say on Terra, where is now modern-day Turkey, but I might be wrong.

The C'tan enjoy feeding off of living creatures, but the night bringer and void dragon just might be able to exterminate all life in the galaxy by opening a series of black holes and unleashing radiation that will exterminate everything except for beings of pure energy if they truly felt threatened and then they'll feed on stars until life begins anew while the Hive Mind focuses on the other galaxies it exists in and kills off the Orks there if there are any.

Fortunately, the C'Tan are mostly in pieces, and the Necrons know a thing or three about kicking a star-god's ass. Though, even they are quoted as saying that the worst thing they ever did was call them "gods".

 Psienesis wrote:
The Chaos Gods themselves cannot leave the Warp. So either the EoT expands to cover the entire galaxy, thus turning Realspace into The Warp, or the Chaos Gods and the C'Tan will never meet face-to-face.

That's what's cool about 40k fluff, it is easy to get behind all the races and gods because circumstances have been engineered to where all of them can't help but be locked in battle for eternity.

But as a thought experiment, I'm saying time is on the C'tans' side.