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This is a war that is almost designed for 28mm tabletop. The figures and rewards as well make it very attractive. Hope they are at least pencilling in some stretches past the £12k mark, I think they will need to.

Anyone into Bolt Action will surely love this kickstarter.

Well they are already half way to reaching their target.

Just been working out what you would end up with presently with the announced planned first 12 stretch goals at their 'Platoon' (£60) support level.

Finnish:- about 80 figures (counting horses as one figure from the Light Cavalry) and including a mortar team, HMG, anti-tank gun and crew, and an artillery piece and crew.

Russian:- about about 57 figures including a mortar team, HMG, artillery piece and crew, an armoured car, and a T-26 tank.

(The number of figures are approximate as not sure how many figures are included as 'crew', etc.)

Being half way to the funding level already would indicate that it could well exceed the present highest stretch goal of £12,000.

Winter War has just reached it's funding target.

The third stretch goal has now been achieved, the Finnish Tank Hunter unit, at this rate another couple of stretch goals might fall today (they are only £300 away from the next one).

Looks like this is going to produce something that would fit in well with Bolt Action and other systems.

Well the Finnish Tank Hunters and Medics stretch goals are unlocked and the HMG and mortar teams seem set to be unlocked as the next stretch goal.

I don't think any of the existing backers doubt that all the first 12 announced stretch goals will be unlocked very soon (and they includes artillery, a Russian armoured car and a T-26 tank).

I see that Stretch Goal #6 (the anti-tank gun and crew) is now unlocked. This makes it half way through the list of the first 12 stretch goals, and with over 26 days to go.

 judgedoug wrote:
I'm concerned that the goals are relatively small and are giving away a huge amount of figures. I hope that after the 12k goal that the stretches become a little larger to pad the extra cash they'll need to afford all the raw materials.

I think that the goals will become further apart after these initial 12 stretch goals, obviously making it economical to run the kickstarter. The first 12 are amazing value and give a tremendous amount to the sponsors, but it would benefit nobody if it was to produce a financial loss. Looking at it I think this may just be the beginning of something rather interesting. Already the next stretch goal is the option to go for Finnish summer uniforms (in a winter war?), but they would be great in the 'Continuation War' between Finland and Russia of 1941-44, as would the 'Finnish bicycle troops' at stretch number 9 . Then of course you have the 'Lapland War' 1944-45 when Finland fought the German forces.

Azazelx - Have you actually seen what he has done before?

Also he bought the company, and already it is clearly stated that the T-26 and Armoured Car will likely be later deliveries, so they are not planned for November delivery anyway. As for the figures the majority of the time is in the sculpting (again look at his background and the work he is doing on the figs now), and to produce the figures themselves does not actually take that long in itself when the moulds are made.

I love doubting Thomas', especially when they actually have no evidence for having a 'bad feeling' - but then again I am a dog lover and not a cat lover for that reason I guess. :-)


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Now just £120 away from the next stretch goal and the following list of 'Add-ons' have been added to the Homepage.

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£5 Finnish or Red Army Riflemen
Pack of 4 Riflemen (Winter or Summer) - very useful for larger squads various army lists

£5 Finnish or Red Army Command
Pack of 4 Command staff (officers and NCOs)

£5 Finnish or Red Army Light Machine Guns
Pack of 2 LMG gunners and 2 assistants

£6 Finnish Ski Troops
Pack of 4 ski troops

£5 Finnish or Red Army Snipers
Pack of 4 Snipers

£5 Finnish Tank Hunters
Pack of 4 tank hunters

£5 Finnish or Red Army Medics
Pack of 2 medics and 2 casualties

£7 Red Army Heavy Machine Gun
1 Maxim Heavy Machine Gun with crew

£7 Finnish or Red Army Mortar
1 Mortar with crew

£10 Finnish or Red Army Anti Tank Gun
1 AT gun with crew

More will be added as stretch goals are unlocked.

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Anyway, it is a sunny morning here now (unusual for Cumbria), but I see the next stretch goal has been achieved (the Russian armoured car) , the next stretch is the Finnish and Russian artillery. Just approaching the 100 backers at the moment as well.

:-)

New 'Stretch Goals' been put up.

Currently chasing:

#11 @ £10,000 - Finnish / Russian Artillery piece and Crew

#12 @ £12,000 - Russian T-26 Tank

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New 'Stretch Goals'

#13 @ £13,000 - Finnish: Lahti AT rifles. Firing and moving, gunner and assistant (4 miniatures per pack)

#14 @ £14,000 - Red Army: Tank crew and Tank riders. One pack of each.

#15 @ £16,000 - Red Army: Engineers. Includes Flamethrower, Demolition, mine and wire clearing sets of 3 miniatures each.

#16 @ £18,000 - Red Army: Commissar. Two Commissar minatures.

#17 @ £20,000 - Finnish: Model Cajander. Finnish troops in varying civilian clothes to mix in with infantry units or use as civil guard.

#18 @ £22,000 - Red Army: Infantry in snow camo. 2 packs of different poses in snow camouflage.

#19 @ £24,000 - Finnish and Red Army: Head conversions and Casualty markers.Head variants for both armies to vary your armies. Also a pack of dead casualties for casualty markers (unlike medic pack previously).

#20 @ £26,000 - Finnish and Red Army: Artillery observers and Summer uniform crews. Crews for the previously unlocked support weapons and artillery in summer uniforms.

#21 @ £30,000 - Finnish and Red Army: Field Kitchen.Comes with crew and eating troops (can also be used as POWs)

#22 @ £34,000 - Red Army: Twin MG turret T-26. Varient of the T-26 with twin MGs.

# 23 @ £36,000 - Finnish and Red Army: Truck. With optional AA Gun and passenger

# 24 @ £40,000 - Finnish and Red Army: Aerosan OSGA 6. Comes with crew for both armies supplied.

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UPDATE

The artillery (stretch #11) has been unlocked, next stretch goal is the Russian T-26 Tank.!

Here is a provisional list I have put together of the 'Platoon level' backer package in Winter War that a backer could get if the 24 stretch goals so far announced are all unlocked - preseently only 11 are unlocked but there is still over 24 days to go on this kickstarter. (Please note these listings is only what I have been able to ascertain and are not 'official' lists.)



Finnish Platoon

Base Platoon pack - HQ (1 Officer, 1 SGT, 2 rifle messengers), 2x Rifle sections, 2x LMG sections (1x CPL, 1x LMG & 5 rifles) Total of 38 figures

Stretch #1 - 10 man unit of Finnish skiers

Stretch #2 - 4 man sniper unit

Stretch #3 - 4 man unit of Tank Hunters

Stretch #4 - 2 Medics and 2 casualties

Stretch #5 - Support Weapons: 1 mortar and 5 crew and 1 HMG's and 5 crew (choose between firing and moving for the mortar and HMG)

Stretch #6 - 1 anti-tank gun and 4 crew

Stretch #8 - 1 troop of 6 mounted cavalry (fast infantry)

Stretch #9 - 10 man Jaeger unit on bicycles

Stretch #11 - 1 x artillery piece, crew, and baggage (pulled by reindeer)
(Choice of one limbered or one unlimbered artillery piece per platoon)

Stretch #13 (locked) - 2 Lahti anti-tank rifle teams (4 figures)

Stretch #15 (locked) - Engineers (Flamethrower, Demolition, mine & wire clearing - 3 figures)

Stretch #17 (locked) - Model Cajander troops (2 packs each of 4 figures, total 8 figures)

Stretch #20 (locked) - Artillery observer - 1 figure

Stretch #21 (locked) - Field Kitchen, crew and 4 resting troops

Stretch #23 (locked) - Truck with optional AA gun and 2 crew OR with 6 sitting passangers

Stretch # 24 (locked) - Aerosan OSGA 6 and crew



Red Army Platoon

Base Platoon pack - HQ (1 Officer, 1 SGT, 2 rifle messengers), 4x Rifle sections Total of 44 figures

Stretch #2 - 4 x snipers

Stretch #4 - 2 Medics and 2 casualties

Stretch #5 - Support Weapons: 1 mortar and 5 crew and 1 HMG's and 5 crew (choose between firing and moving for the mortar and HMG)

Stretch #10 - 1 x Armoured car

Stretch #11 - 1 x artillery piece, crew, and baggage (pulled by horses)
(Choice of one limbered or one unlimbered artillery piece per platoon)

Stretch #12 (locked) - 1 x T-26 tank

Stretch #14 (locked) - Tank Crew pack and Tank Riders pack (4 figures per pack)

Stretch #15 (locked) - Engineers (Flamethrower, Demolition, mine & wire clearing - 3 figures)

Stretch #16 (locked) - Commissars - set of 2

Stretch #18 (locked) - 2 packs in snow camoflage (4 figures per pack, total 8 figures)

Stretch #20 (locked) - Artillery observer - 1 figure

Stretch #21 (locked) - Field Kitchen, crew and 4 resting troops

Stretch #22 (locked) - Twin MG turret T-26

Stretch #23 (locked) - Truck with optional AA gun and 2 crew OR with 6 sitting passangers

Stretch #24 (locked) - Aerosan OSGA 6 and crew


Without counting armoured cars, tanks, trucks, and other equipment that works out at about 120 figures for the Finnish Platoon and 100 figures for the Russian Platoon.
Of course there are the summer uniform variants and alternative heads as part of the stretch goals as well.

Stretch goal #12 - The Soviet T-26 tank - is now unlocked.

The stretch-goal for the Finnish anti-tank rifles has now been unlocked.

Next stretch goal is for Soviet tank riders (4) and tank crew (4).

Next up is stretch goal #16, the Soviet Commissars and standard bearer, at £18,000.

Already there are 154 backers, and still over 3 weeks to go. It looks like this will achieve all the current 24 stretch goals and more by the end of the kickstarter.

Thats the 2 Soviet Commissars and Standard Bearer unlocked.

Next stretch, #17 at £20,000, is for the Model Cajander, 2 packets of 4 figures each.


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A couple of very important announcements this morning in Update #13 (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1030835091/winter-war-wargaming-miniatures/posts/602493?ref=activity) concerning this kickstarter.

Gavin has said that at the conclusion of the kickstarter the smaller orders (<£30) will be despatched first and then the orders will be despatched in backer order (a significant reason to get in even a small holding pledge early on which can of course be increased later).

Also, and here I copy and paste the wording, a significant announcement on shipping:

"As previously stated, the vehicles I expect to come in a second delivery and then the second stretch goals would be delivered in a third delivery in January/February if they are not already completed."

So, the plans are for three shipments already.

Just £432 away from unlocking stretch goal #21, the Field Kitchen.

Was working out that if all the presently listed stretch goals (24) are unlocked then the Soviet Platoon pledge will receive £272 worth of figures and equipment and the Finnish Platoon pledge returns £285 of figures and equipment. Not bad for just a £60 pledge!

Still over 10 days to go.

Field Kitchen, stretch #21, is unlocked.

Now on to stretch #22, the T-26 tank with twin MG turrets at £34,000.

Looks like this kickstarter is starting to cook! (OK, a very bad pun, but I just wanted to say it. )

So that is now 2 Tanks, the T-26 (stretch #12) and the T-26 Twin MG Turret variant (stretch #22), and now only £1,057 away from the AA Truck / Troop Transporter Truck.

With just under 5 days to go looks like this has been a great success for Baker Company and all the backers, including me!

A brilliantly run kickstarter by Gav, well done mate.


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The AA Truck (stretch #23) has rolled in, now chasing the Aerosan at £40,000.

Things are picking up nicely now, oh and still over 116 hours left!

Just 85 hours left and knocking on the door of unlocking the Aerosan, just £492 to go.

To many who watch kickstarters this might not be the biggest (2 fantasy ones this week have scored hugely financiallyin their opening day) but for historic wargamers this has been a real treat. Not only has Gav worked continuously to improve the kickstarter he has also listened to all opinions of backers and acted where appropriate by changing equipment choices. Also where feasible allowed people to change part of the make-up of their pledge level rewards.

Reckon this could get pretty interesting in the last remaining hours left.


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The Aerosani has been unlocked at £40,000.

Still 76 hours to go.

Looking forward to November.

Just £298 away from unlocking stretch goal number 25, "The Terror of Morocco", the Finnish hero Aarne Edward Juutilainen. Then it is on to stretch goal #26, the KhT-130 Flamethrower tank.

Just over 61 hours left.


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Stretch goal #25, 'The Terror of Morrocco' has been unlocked.

Now the flamethrower tank, the KhT-130, is stretch #26 @ £44,000.

Just over 52 hours left.

@Albino - I've been keeping track of what the reward levels are and it works out that now for each Platoon (without swapping any units)(these are not official BakerCompany.com figures just my numbers only) you will get the following:

Soviet

Platoon ................................44..... (£55)
Snipers ..................................4..... (£5)
Medics & Casualties ...........4..... (£5)
Mortar & five crew .................5..... (£7)
HMG & 5 crew ........................5..... (£7)
Artillery & 5 crew ....................5..... (£16)


B-10 Armoured Car ...................(£22)
T-26 Light Tank ...........................(£22)
T-26 Twin Turret ..........................(£22)
Truck & AA Gun....................2..... (£22)
Aerosan ................................1..... (£22)


Tank riders & crews......................10..... (£12)
Engineers ......................................12..... (£20)
Commissars & Standard ..............3..... (£5)
Snow Camoflage Troops ..............8..... (£10)
Artillery Observers ...........................3..... (£5)
Field Kitchen ....................................5..... (£22)
Casualty markers ...........................4..... (£5)

So for the Soviets that is a total of 116 figures plus equipment plus vehicles, worth circa. £284 retrail.


Finnish

Platoon ...................................38.....(£50)
Jaeger skis ...........................10.....(£15)
Snipers ....................................4.....(£5)
Tank Hunters...........................4.....(£5)
Medics & casualties...............4.....(£5)
Mortar & 5 crew........................5.....(£7)
HMG & 5 crew..........................5.....(£7)
AT gun & crew..........................5.....(£10)
Light Horse...............................6.....(£24)
Bicycles...................................10.....(£35)
Artillery & 5 crew.......................5.....(£16)


Truck & AA Gun.........................2.....(£22)
Aerosan......................................1.....(£22)


Anti-Tank Rifles.........................4.....(£5)
Engineers................................12 .....(£20)
Model Cajander........................8......(£10)
Artillery Observers....................3......(£5)
Field Kitchen.............................5.....(£22)
Casualty markers....................4.....(£5)

So for the Finnish that is a total of 135 figures plus equipment plus vehicles, worth circa £290 retail.

For a £60 investment in either it seems like a good return to me.

Notes
1. The AA Truck and gun has 2 crew or a Transport truck can be chosen instead where you get I think it is 6 seated figures.
2. I am not sure of the number of crew for the Aerosan so because Gavin has mentioned crew specifically I have listed it as one figure.

The next few stretch goals are add-ons:

Stretch goal #26 - £44,000 - KhT-130 Flame thrower tank
Stretch goal #27 - £46,000 - Finnish Colonel Mannerheim
Stretch goal #28 - £48,000 - B20 Armoured Car
Stretch goal #29 - £50,000 - Vickers-Armstrong 6-tonne tank

Following these stretch goals I have no idea what Gavin has as surprises for us (although I hope at stretch goal #30 it is the Komsomolet - fingers crossed).

Anyway hope this helps, and if there are any discrepancies between my spread sheet and that of Baker Company I am sure they will be slight and of course it will be my figures that are wrong.

Just over 45 hours left. Roll on November.

@Phobos - This has been discussed quite extensively in the comments of the kickstarter which rather than try and post different options here I will take the easy way out out ( ) and point you to if I may.

The link is:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1030835091/winter-war-wargaming-miniatures/comments

(Scroll down a couple of pages and you should see some listings of Finnish set-ups)

The platoon with stretch rewards will give you several options of 1,000 point Finnish armies.

I know Gavin has listened to suggestions from both BA and CoC players and made changes when necessary so that both can field the units required.

Hope this helps

@Phobos - glad you joined, I think you have made a great choice in getting the Finns.

Coming up to the last full day of this kickstarter (actually just 28 hours as I write this). At the moment there are 363 backers of the Winter War campaign kickstarter, I would imagine that will very easily exceed 400 by the time it finishes.

I joined on day 2 and have been amazed at how friendly and helpful everyone has been, become a real community spirit evolve amoungst the backers, almost as if 'we' became a club by ourselves, and poor old Gav has had to put up with suggestions left, right, and center (many of which he has actually taken account of and changed things so that both BA and CoC rules could be thoroughly used - good on him).

Well stretch goal #26 got unlocked last night, that is the KhT-130 Flamethrower tank and only £752 away from unlocking stretch goal #27 and perhaps the true architect of Finlands valiant defence the figure of Colonel Mannerheim. That then only leaves 2 currently listed stretch goals to go, the BA 10 armoured car and the Vickers-Armstrong 6 ton tank. Then who knows what? (Well apart from Gavin of course. )

If things do develop over the comming few hours I will try and post them on here to let everyone know what the latest state of play is but my posts may well become appended to each other so please keep checking back regularly.

If anyone has any questions I will try and help and if I cannot answer them I will put them on the comments section of the kickstarter and get a reply ASAP for you from someone who knows the answer.

Glad to have you with us Richred, hopefully we will be able to find you some opponents to battle against pretty soon.

Well the kickstarter has entered the final 24 hours, I would imagine that this will see the total rise above £50,000 (that's $80,000), which is not bad at all for a small company running their first kickstarter. Mind you it has been run excellantly by Gavin, and the rewards at Platoon level have become amazing.

Next stretch goal is less than £500 away.




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Well stretch goal #27, Colonel Mannerheim, is now unlocked, and the next is the BA-20 armoured Car.

Also stretch goal #30 has just been announced:-

Komsomolets - complete new vehicle. Perfect for pulling your artillery, AT gun or field kitchen. Will come with crew and passengers for either army. :

Oh, and just over 21 1/2 hours to go.


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Stretch goal #28, the BA20 Armoured Car is unlocked.

Next stretch, #29, is the Vickers-Armstrong 6 ton tank, at £50,000, hear it coming?

Then my personal favourite (and I have absolutely no idea why ), stretch #30, the Komsomolets at £54,000.


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The Vickers-Armstrong tank is unlocked.

Now full steam ahead for stretch goal #30, the Komsomolets.

OK, I'm hitting the sack for a few hours. So the latest update is that the total is already at over £51,000 and still climbing with 11 hours to go, looks like the Komsomolets will be in next, and we may yet get another stretch goal from Gav later this morning (fingers crossed).

Looks like Winter War is going to be played around the world very soon.


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With just under 5 hours to go stretch goal #30, the Komsomolets are just £672 away.

Gav has introduced new stretch goals,

#30 is now Red Army Hero Commander Shmagrin at £53,000 (which is already now unlocked)

#31 is the Komsomolets at £54,000

#32 is now Finnish Bofors Anti Tank Gun and crew.

The day is getting better and better.

Komsomolets are unlocked! :-)
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Less than £2,000 for the Finns Bofors AT Gun. :-))

Stretch goal #32, Finns Bofors AT Gun now unlocked.

@Ronin - if you could even a small pledge that would get you the opportunity to buy from the post-kickstarter survey and that would get you the associated stretch goal rewards if you went for a Platoon in that survey.

Just an idea. Hope it helps

Glad to have helped.


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Just a final post to say that the project ended at £57,021 of funding (that at todays exchange rates is over $91,800).