Alien vs Predator Miniatures Game, Prodos loses license to AvP. p.266

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**DaveC**

They are labelled infant warrior (the standing xenomorph) which would explain the smooth head and stalker which is a form of runner xenomorph they will probably reveal adult warriors which have the ridged heads (the ridges develop later as they age) later on I,d say there will be a few classes of xenomorph in this.

**DaveC**

Thanks for the confirmation

**DaveC**

There's several reasons for the ridged design and the smooth design most came about after the fact including the reason why new born Xenomorph's have smooth heads and older ones have ridges. Whilst filming Aliens they found the smooth design was to fragile and was prone to getting broken during action scenes so they came up with the ridged design which is far more robust the background was then redone to explain that older Xenomorph's (as the Hadley's hope ones are as they have been around for some time before the marines arrive) develop ridges as they age. In other versions of the back ground drones have smooth heads where as warriors have ridged heads even though they are often considered to be the same caste of Xenomorph.

Xenopedia covers the various Xenomorph classes http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Xenomorph_%28Alien%29

**DaveC**

So long as there's no "Newborn/Alien Sapian" it's all good what where they thinking when they came up with that? even the Predalien is better than that and I'm not a massive fan of that particular crossover (design wise that is).

**DaveC**

nkelsch wrote:
Wasn't the alien from the 3rd movie based on a 'dog' so he had a more bestial body?

In both the book and the Directors/extended cut it's an ox type creature but yeah basically an animal.

**DaveC**

So it looks like the two different types of Predator and the Predator hunting hound could be in this if they can use Predators as well.

**DaveC**

So definitely not a KS and out before Christmas good to know (and onto the Christmas list it goes

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**DaveC**

I think Joss Whedon is even embarrassed by what they did to his script the final version isn't what he envisioned but as he was just the writer he turned it in and then someone did a hatchet job on it during filming.

**DaveC**

cincydooley wrote:
So do we have any movement on the launch date for this? It could very easily cause me to cancel my Shadows of Brimstone pledge.

From what Warzone Resurrection posted last night this is straight to retail before Christmas so no Kiickstarter here.

**DaveC**

Repost from page 20 so people can see where the straight to retail info came from as it's got a bit lost today

Warzone Resurrection wrote:
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/2013/10/28/further-avp-miniatures-information/
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The game will be story driven. It is set between Alien and Aliens and takes inspiration primarily from the Alien and Predator films as opposed to the crossovers.
The initial release will be with a boxset ala Space Hulk. The initial boxset release will be before the end of 2013 with an initial expansion wave of up to a dozen new models planned for early 2014.
Prodos will be drawing in elements from the expanded universe so there will be plenty of different Alien/Predator/Colonial Marines/Civilian variants. Look out of an Alien from the old AvP Arcade Game!
The gameplay will be based off the Prodos Games engine used in their other game, Warzone Resurrection.
The game will support solo and multiplayer games. The initial boxset will come with a board for more contained focused play but there is also potential for further open combat.
There will be unique “hero” units.
The license does not include Prometheus.
Prodos will be showing off the game at various game conventions as well as a potential inaugural event to celebrate the release.

**DaveC**

Is there any official word on this launching this week? I'm out of Mars Attacks if it does (well I'll keep $20 in for the Dreadball team.

**DaveC**

So is this a Prodos or CMoN run KS because the CMoN part could be a deal breaker for a lot of people but it was one way of getting a US based KS I guess.

**DaveC**

Good to hear that this a Prodos KS and not CMoN now off to cancel Mars Attacks.

**DaveC**

Any news on a start time yet?

and given it's priced in £ what's the "sweet spot" likely to cost. Thanks for any info you can give.

**DaveC**

tonight 12:00 GMT as in midnight or tomorrow midday?

**DaveC**

It's in 5 hours midnight GMT confirmed on facebook

**DaveC**

If you have access to UK TV Channel 4 are showing Predators tomorrow night. For me there are 3 must sees Alien, Aliens and Predator. Then there is Alien 3, Predators and Predator 2 overall decent films but flawed in places. The directors/extended cuts are better than the theatrical releases. After that we have Alien Resurrection and the AvP films they're still watchable and I've seen them many times each has the odd stand out scene but really they aren't a patch on the original films. I still think there's a really good AvP film that can be made but the 2 things that have spoilt them so far is the need to keep them on Earth to keep the budget down and the need to have humans very involved so we have more of a connection to the film - I wish someone had the guts to do an AvP film with minimal humans in it but tha's not going to happen.

**DaveC**

It's possible that the originals where hand sculpted then scanned and finished off digitally or they where hand sculpted but not used and redone digitally - so both points of view coud be correct

**DaveC**

That's a Predator's "Super" Predator isn't it? If so they are even taller than a regular predator!

**DaveC**

I think RiTides has to comment on update #6 that he got you to back probably best if tides mentions your KS backer name as well.

Not sure if this will help or harm them - why would you pledge now without getting a "friend" to hook you up so both of you get freebies. This thread could end up full of people looking to get the bring a friend offer.

EDIT sorry reread it looks like the new backer mentions the current backer "friend" in the comments.

**DaveC**

Yep having reread it that sounds right RiTides.

Someone mentioned this in the KS comments but what's to stop a current backer dropping out entirely and then getting another backer to invite them back - I assume KS gives you new backer number if you entirely drop a pledge then re peldge later so you appear to be a new backer - this could be messy.

**DaveC**

Azazelx wrote:
Bolognesus wrote:
This is...annoying, mostly. And yeah, it's going to mostly inspire requestspamming while not incentivising actual promotion of the project *at all*. Their party, I guess.

It also looks like it's caused them to lose 62 or so backers since it was posted.

They had 804 active backers when it was posted but they had 873 backers in total, 69 backers had pledged and then dropped out before the update KS doesn't reallocate a pledge number when a backer drops out it keeps allocating new numbers.

**DaveC**

The lack of renders beyond the first lot is starting to concern me considering this must release by May (according to their licence apparently) and that a lot of work was supposed to have been done already there seems to still be lot of work to get done and it's not really going to happen during the relatively short KS run.

**DaveC**

I've a feeling the stretch goal chart isn't final and there are more than the 6 ??? goals left before the Queen - notice how the last one doesn't link to the Queen like the others do. Depending on how this does they will probably add more slots to the chart and the Queen will get pushed back until near the end.

I think I'll pass on the Sentry guns too easy to proxy with other models (I have 6 SW Havoks) I'll save the money for something else.

**DaveC**

I think the Praetorians will be at £150k with a "freebie" at £140k they seem to have settled into that sort of pattern and they will probably be on the pricer side as you probably wont need many. It will interesting to see what design they use for them.

EDIT: Praetorians: http://aliens.wikia.com/wiki/Praetorian - basically Queens guard with slightly more ornate heads they don't appear in the films.

**DaveC**

Yep game based not film - I edited this in above but here it is again

http://aliens.wikia.com/wiki/Praetorian

There's a few theories about what they really are best to read the article.

**DaveC**

I guess the background has been made up on the fly for Praetorians as they made the games.

here's a Praetorian next to a warrior and queen for scale (from the AvP game - the last one is an ancient queen)

So based on the size they could be £10 for 1!

**DaveC**

Recruit a friend has been replaced with the 2000 backer reward per update #7.

I wonder how that fine mesh is going to transfer to regular plastic there could be quite a bit of detail loss. My only slight issue with the Predators is the dreads have an odd flow to them due to the head being separate to the body but I guess that's unavoidable.

**DaveC**

That's still my favourite Jon and Al Schwarznegger musical they've done a few of the other films as well.

**DaveC**

I fully expect the chart to get stretched out further and for the Queen to keep getting pushed back until near the end. Prodos just posted on the comments update is coming soon along with more free stuff. Waiting to see how much those Praetorians cost hopefully no more the £15 ideally £10 but the more they cost the more the Queen will cost later! if funds are tight the Praetorians will probably be the first off my list as they aren't in the films and are mostly game created.