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TTCombat Presents - Snappy Stencils
Ends on: Thursday Jan 2, 4:14am WST.

Ever wanted to add that extra bit of flair to your tanks, planes and scenery? Now you can over and over, never have a drab model again!

Snappy Stencils is a new product we have designed to help people when painting their miniatures. The idea came about when Jay was painting a tank for the "get it painted" DVD series and he needed a stencil to do some digital camo. He had to resort to using a piece of card which he then cut some very basic shapes and the result ended up being pretty good. So we decided we would improve on the design and create some more but in a more durable form, thus Snappy Stencils was born!

These stencils

Flames
The stencils are cut into 3mm HDF which is strong and durable which means you can use them time and time again, this is fantastic as most stencils have one or two uses in them before they become useless.


checkers

The kickstarter is going to start with 15 designs but we have scope for 100's of different designs and shapes depending on its popularity, and we are more than happy to receive suggestions on designs you guys would like to see in a stencil format. The designs that will be open for selection initially are as follows:
- Hexagonal/Carbon fibre small
- Hexagonal/Carbon fibre medium
- Hexagonal/Carbon fibre large
- Flames
- Chevrons
- Dragon scales Large
- Dragon Scales Medium
- Dragon Scales Small
- Digital Camo (Urban)
- Checkers
- Freestyle Flames tool
- Tiger stripes
- Digital Camo (Pixels/squares)
- Dripping blood/Ooze
- Diamond (Harlequin grid)


With TTCombat's Snappy Stencils you can turn a good paint job into an amazing paint job with very little effort, just hold the stencil as close to the miniature as possible (the flatter the surface the better the effect) and spray away, it really couldn't be easier. That means there is no masking, no teadious cutting of tape to get that "perfect shape". The stencils themselves are precision cut by a laser so you couldn't get a finer more exact cut.


dragon scales
TTCombat's Snappy Stencils are designed to be affordable hence the RRP being just £3, which as is as much as a small pot of paint. The idea being that when you go and buy your paints you can just as easily pick up the stencil thats relevant to the project your doing. Above is a picture of the dragon scale stencil being used which would be perfect for a salamanders player, you can give your vehicles that little extra something with some cool dragon scales which will leave your friends in awe!


checkers
We really hope you like the idea of this project and decide to back us. Everyone who pledges should receive their stencils within a couple of weeks after the kickstarter has finished, so early January you could have that stencil you have always needed and in a re-usable form!

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This Kickstarter is shortly on the heels of the Anarchy models sticky airbrush stencils kickstarter here. I went in for 12 of these and really like the concept of them, and they should be shippiung out within a month or two. They have some pros and cons compared to these MDF one. I think these are:
MDF Pros:
- Much cheaper
- Reusable forever basically
- Allows for softer lines as the stencils don't adhere to the model.
MDF Cons:
- Doesn't stick to the model so doesn't allow for crisp lines.

I'm glad you mentioned Anarchy models, as I do think that product is superior. With the extra distance the MDF creates between template and model, the edges of the spray don't look as sharp.

This could be very good for some things, but just makes sense to note that (as you did, and I agree).

Yeah, they definitely need the comparison. I think for flames the softness might actually be a good thing, or good for some uses - or maybe in addition to the hard other ones to spice it up and add variety. Since they're so damn cheap I thought I'd jump in for these. They're permanently reusable and very cheap, so I think they just might be worth it despite being softer and therefore much more niche than the Anarchy ones, which with those lovely crisp lines would often be your best bet.

Meh... Sorry to say but I don't think you guys get what a stencil for a mini is for... those would be ok for a board or whatever but for a 3D surface you will only ever have muddy results. Might as well freehand at that point...

Sorry but a big pass for me.

I understand that Tom, but look at the flames and the hexes on the scythe. Soft flames are actually better imo, and on the relatively flat surface of the scythe I think they come out really well. Yes they'll be much more situational, but at the substantially cheaper price, I think they definitely bear considering as an option.

I went in for 12 of Anarchys stencils - and I think they're ridiculously awesome. But you can get 5 of these for the price of 1 of anarchys. Anyway, yeah I definitely understand - and share to an extent - your concerns. I may drop out of it by the end if they don't show off some more great uses and stuff, but at the very least I'm interested enough to follow it for a while.

We're sorry to hear that your dead against the idea Tom, we understand it's not going to be a product for everyone but I guess all I can do is continue to show the results
you can get with each stencil to prove that they work I fully understand what stencils on miniatures are used for and I feel our product could spice up a paint job
with little to no effort. I disagree with the freehand comment, the hexagonal design for example would take a millennia to complete freehand and would be almost impossible to get exact
I know I certainly couldn't/wouldn't paint on every single hex or dragon scale free hand (maybe its because I'm lazy ) any thanks for your input guys we really appreciate it

Jay

TTCombat

I've been looking at stencils for some time, and their durability is a major factor if using them for a whole army.
So, these look great, if possibly difficult to get a 'clean' spray.

As for the price, excellent.
Do you have mock-ups of the other stencils? Size might be important when deciding which pledge to go for...

Have you tried any ways to get the stencil to get more contact with the model? Something like foam backing, maybe? Just to get an edge that distance would affect. Just ideas to add in, as 'serving suggestions' or top-tips.

Are we not a little concerned that this is too similar to the Anarchy Models HD Stencil system? As a backer of HD Stencils, I appreciate the change in material, with the benefits and drawbacks that brings, but are we not looking at a system launched after the Anarchy product, using the same funding scheme and even using the same name for one of the stencils? Is this level of plagiarism acceptable in a community usually associated with creativity?. Have we also researched the lifespan of the Anarchy system? If their stencils are not yet in circulation, how do we know how long they will fare and does that put us in a position to claim that they cannot be re-used? Are we also in a position to compare the potential trade-off between quality and longevity? What of the size differences between the two products? The HD system comes on A4 sheets as opposed to this card system, is this not beneficial? I suspect that many will claim that no laws have been broken and no IP has been infringed, and that may well be the case, but this is very much taking the 'spirit' of an idea.

Karl The Invincible wrote:
Are we not a little concerned that this is too similar to the Anarchy Models HD Stencil system? As a backer of HD Stencils, I appreciate the change in material, with the benefits and drawbacks that brings, but are we not looking at a system launched after the Anarchy product, using the same funding scheme and even using the same name for one of the stencils? Is this level of plagiarism acceptable in a community usually associated with creativity?. Have we also researched the lifespan of the Anarchy system? If their stencils are not yet in circulation, how do we know how long they will fare and does that put us in a position to claim that they cannot be re-used? Are we also in a position to compare the potential trade-off between quality and longevity? What of the size differences between the two products? The HD system comes on A4 sheets as opposed to this card system, is this not beneficial? I suspect that many will claim that no laws have been broken and no IP has been infringed, and that may well be the case, but this is very much taking the 'spirit' of an idea.

You're aware that airbrush stencils pre date Anarchy's by years, probably decades, right?

They were a slightly different way of approaching things, so is this, you're looking to make a drama out of a molehill here.

Karl The Invincible wrote:
Are we not a little concerned that this is too similar to the Anarchy Models HD Stencil system? As a backer of HD Stencils, I appreciate the change in material, with the benefits and drawbacks that brings, but are we not looking at a system launched after the Anarchy product, using the same funding scheme and even using the same name for one of the stencils? Is this level of plagiarism acceptable in a community usually associated with creativity?. Have we also researched the lifespan of the Anarchy system? If their stencils are not yet in circulation, how do we know how long they will fare and does that put us in a position to claim that they cannot be re-used? Are we also in a position to compare the potential trade-off between quality and longevity? What of the size differences between the two products? The HD system comes on A4 sheets as opposed to this card system, is this not beneficial? I suspect that many will claim that no laws have been broken and no IP has been infringed, and that may well be the case, but this is very much taking the 'spirit' of an idea.

Indeed, whilst I understand that stencils are nothing new - and it is possible that they had always planned to do a stencil kit I find the fact that most if not all the initial designs are an exact replica of the Anarchy stencils to be a little unlikely to be coincidence (ok the flames don't look exactly the same I guess)

I'll be staying away from this one on moral grounds, taking somebody's idea and improving/changing it I have no problem with, but going "wow, I can copy that exactly" I find a little distasteful.

Stranger83 wrote:
I'll be staying away from this one on moral grounds, taking somebody's idea and improving/changing it I have no problem with, but going "wow, I can copy that exactly" I find a little distasteful.

Lolwut?

1) Stencils are nothing new, I'm sure the guys at Anarchy were like, "what if we marketed our own handmade stencils?" They copied stencils from someone else who copied it from someone else so on and so forth until you eventually get back to the poor sap that was drunk and had a piece of cardboard covering up part of what he was painting over and went, "ya know, I think this looks pretty cool"*
2) There is always someone who will do it better, cheaper, or faster. Anarchy's stencils might be better, but are they cheaper? That depends on how often you have to replace your Anarchy stencils because they're only "semi re-usable" (their words). So you already have to plan future purchases into this. The TTCombat stencils might need to be replaced half as often as the Anarchy ones (which means you're spending far less money on those already). Faster doesn't really come into play here unless production and shipping takes longer for one company over the other.
3) There is no moral high ground here, Anarchy offered a product, people loved it to the tune of £20,797. TTC is offering a similar product at a cheaper price. It is called healthy competition. If there was a moral high ground, we'd all be driving around in Benz automobiles because that filthy Henry Ford came along and said, "wow, I can copy that exactly" (and for a lower price, and a quicker production turnaround). The only test of who has the better product will be the results post-kickstarter once both of these products are released and in the wild. Will people want Anarchy's stencils because the quality of the stencil while it lasts (before replacing it) is worth the additional costs, or will TTCombat's stencils work for those of us that want a cheap product that works out pretty well? What if, dare I say it, they both work out well and have their own fans/brand loyal customers?

I'll toss them some cash as I missed out on the Anarchy stencils, and I'd like to see how well these ones work. the Checkerboard pattern on the Stormraven doesn't thrill me, but the scales and honeycomb seem to work pretty well.

* - Historical reenactment

 Alfndrate wrote:

Stranger83 wrote:
I'll be staying away from this one on moral grounds, taking somebody's idea and improving/changing it I have no problem with, but going "wow, I can copy that exactly" I find a little distasteful.

Lolwut?

1) Stencils are nothing new, I'm sure the guys at Anarchy were like, "what if we marketed our own handmade stencils?" They copied stencils from someone else who copied it from someone else so on and so forth until you eventually get back to the poor sap that was drunk and had a piece of cardboard covering up part of what he was painting over and went, "ya know, I think this looks pretty cool"*
2) There is always someone who will do it better, cheaper, or faster. Anarchy's stencils might be better, but are they cheaper? That depends on how often you have to replace your Anarchy stencils because they're only "semi re-usable" (their words). So you already have to plan future purchases into this. The TTCombat stencils might need to be replaced half as often as the Anarchy ones (which means you're spending far less money on those already). Faster doesn't really come into play here unless production and shipping takes longer for one company over the other.
3) There is no moral high ground here, Anarchy offered a product, people loved it to the tune of £20,797. TTC is offering a similar product at a cheaper price. It is called healthy competition. If there was a moral high ground, we'd all be driving around in Benz automobiles because that filthy Henry Ford came along and said, "wow, I can copy that exactly" (and for a lower price, and a quicker production turnaround). The only test of who has the better product will be the results post-kickstarter once both of these products are released and in the wild. Will people want Anarchy's stencils because the quality of the stencil while it lasts (before replacing it) is worth the additional costs, or will TTCombat's stencils work for those of us that want a cheap product that works out pretty well? What if, dare I say it, they both work out well and have their own fans/brand loyal customers?

I'll toss them some cash as I missed out on the Anarchy stencils, and I'd like to see how well these ones work. the Checkerboard pattern on the Stormraven doesn't thrill me, but the scales and honeycomb seem to work pretty well.

* - Historical reenactment

Way to take 1 line out of my post and misrepresent what I said. You completely took out the part where I say:

Stranger83 wrote:


Indeed, whilst I understand that stencils are nothing new - and it is possible that they had always planned to do a stencil kit I find the fact that most if not all the initial designs are an exact replica of the Anarchy stencils to be a little unlikely to be coincidence (ok the flames don't look exactly the same I guess)

My first sentence is on how stencils are not now - however THESE stencils are an exact copy of the designs by Anarchy, i find it highly unlikely that this is anything other than a chance to jump on anarchys hard work with the designs.

Had they come out with stencils that look different to Anarchy then that is fine, but these designs look exactly the same as the other ones.

Yeah, flames and digi camo were just so damned original, i mean, how on earth did Anarchy think of them?! [\sarcasm]

I like Anarchy's product, but to try and imply shenanigans purely because another company decides to offer yet another variation on a well established type of product and initially goes for the most obvious, no-brainer designs is just fething obtuse.

Stranger83 wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

Stranger83 wrote:
I'll be staying away from this one on moral grounds, taking somebody's idea and improving/changing it I have no problem with, but going "wow, I can copy that exactly" I find a little distasteful.

Lolwut?

1) Stencils are nothing new, I'm sure the guys at Anarchy were like, "what if we marketed our own handmade stencils?" They copied stencils from someone else who copied it from someone else so on and so forth until you eventually get back to the poor sap that was drunk and had a piece of cardboard covering up part of what he was painting over and went, "ya know, I think this looks pretty cool"*
2) There is always someone who will do it better, cheaper, or faster. Anarchy's stencils might be better, but are they cheaper? That depends on how often you have to replace your Anarchy stencils because they're only "semi re-usable" (their words). So you already have to plan future purchases into this. The TTCombat stencils might need to be replaced half as often as the Anarchy ones (which means you're spending far less money on those already). Faster doesn't really come into play here unless production and shipping takes longer for one company over the other.
3) There is no moral high ground here, Anarchy offered a product, people loved it to the tune of £20,797. TTC is offering a similar product at a cheaper price. It is called healthy competition. If there was a moral high ground, we'd all be driving around in Benz automobiles because that filthy Henry Ford came along and said, "wow, I can copy that exactly" (and for a lower price, and a quicker production turnaround). The only test of who has the better product will be the results post-kickstarter once both of these products are released and in the wild. Will people want Anarchy's stencils because the quality of the stencil while it lasts (before replacing it) is worth the additional costs, or will TTCombat's stencils work for those of us that want a cheap product that works out pretty well? What if, dare I say it, they both work out well and have their own fans/brand loyal customers?

I'll toss them some cash as I missed out on the Anarchy stencils, and I'd like to see how well these ones work. the Checkerboard pattern on the Stormraven doesn't thrill me, but the scales and honeycomb seem to work pretty well.

* - Historical reenactment

Way to take 1 line out of my post and misrepresent what I said. You completely took out the part where I say:

Stranger83 wrote:


Indeed, whilst I understand that stencils are nothing new - and it is possible that they had always planned to do a stencil kit I find the fact that most if not all the initial designs are an exact replica of the Anarchy stencils to be a little unlikely to be coincidence (ok the flames don't look exactly the same I guess)

My first sentence is on how stencils are not new - however THESE stencils are an exact copy of the designs by Anarchy, i find it highly unlikely that this is anything other than a chance to jump on anarchys hard work with the designs.

Had they come out with stencils that look different to Anarchy then that is fine, but these designs look exactly the same as the other ones.

Incidentally I too can use editable quote to make someone say something they didn't -from your own post, without even changing the order you present the words - just selectively ediiting out the bits to make you say something you didn't

 Alfndrate wrote:
Anarchy offered a product, people loved it .TTC said, "wow, I can copy that exactly"

Stranger83 wrote:
My first sentence is on how stencils are not now - however THESE stencils are an exact copy of the designs by Anarchy, i find it highly unlikely that this is anything other than a chance to jump on anarchys hard work with the designs.

Had they come out with stencils that look different to Anarchy then that is fine, but these designs look exactly the same as the other ones.

Except that 'dragon scales', 'digi camo', 'hex grid', 'flames', 'checkerboard', etc... can really only be done in one, maybe two ways. Like I said, Anarchy has a product, TTCombat probably said to themselves, "We can do this better/cheaper", their designs are similar because there isn't much way to alternative these geometric shapes. In fact, compare the Anarchy and TTCombat stenticls to this dragon scale stencil:

They're extremely similar. I could spend the £3 right now and get a usable stencil from a body art company, that's all I'm saying. You're going on about not backing this product because it's too similar to another product. This is competition in the marketplace. They're not stealing anything, they're not mustache twirling villains, they're just a few dudes that think they can offer a product to people that is better and/or cheaper than an alternative product.

Incidentally I too can use editable quote to make someone say something they didn't -from your own post, without even changing the order you present the words - just selectively ediiting out the bits to make yo[u] say something you didn't

 Alfndrate wrote:
Anarchy offered a product, people loved it .TTC said, "wow, I can copy that exactly"

That's humorous actually, but I didn't selectively edit, I just commented to the exact words that I found fault with.

Don't back the project if you don't want to, that's fine, there are other people that might want to back it, but just be aware that they're not stealing ideas...

 Alfndrate wrote:

Stranger83 wrote:
My first sentence is on how stencils are not now - however THESE stencils are an exact copy of the designs by Anarchy, i find it highly unlikely that this is anything other than a chance to jump on anarchys hard work with the designs.

Had they come out with stencils that look different to Anarchy then that is fine, but these designs look exactly the same as the other ones.

Except that 'dragon scales', 'digi camo', 'hex grid', 'flames', 'checkerboard', etc... can really only be done in one, maybe two ways. Like I said, Anarchy has a product, TTCombat probably said to themselves, "We can do this better/cheaper", their designs are similar because there isn't much way to alternative these geometric shapes. In fact, compare the Anarchy and TTCombat stenticls to this dragon scale stencil:

They're extremely similar. I could spend the £3 right now and get a usable stencil from a body art company, that's all I'm saying. You're going on about not backing this product because it's too similar to another product. This is competition in the marketplace. They're not stealing anything, they're not mustache twirling villains, they're just a few dudes that think they can offer a product to people that is better and/or cheaper than an alternative product.

Incidentally I too can use editable quote to make someone say something they didn't -from your own post, without even changing the order you present the words - just selectively ediiting out the bits to make yo[u] say something you didn't

 Alfndrate wrote:
Anarchy offered a product, people loved it .TTC said, "wow, I can copy that exactly"

That's humorous actually, but I didn't selectively edit, I just commented to the exact words that I found fault with.

Don't back the project if you don't want to, that's fine, there are other people that might want to back it, but just be aware that they're not stealing ideas...

OK, on most of this I fully agree, yes there are only so many ways that you can do dragon scales and a hex grid - but then I find it odd that out of all the possible designs in the universe they pick these as their staring ones, thats all I'm saying. Other peoples morals may vary, but as someone who also woks in the creative industry I know we can spend months coming up with imaginative ideas and then when someone else comes out next week with a copy of it that really makes me mad, and I find in immoral muyself to cash in on other peoples designs.

If TTC wanted to do stencils I'm sure they could have found at least 1-2 designs that were not an exact replica of Anarchys, This would have changed the entire feel of the KS to me.

Others moral compass may not point the same way as mine, and that is their choice, but think on this, would TTC have done this without the Anarchy KS? If they wouldn't have then what happens if Anarchy, the creative one of the 2 who came up with the ideas in the first place, has to wait an extra year for his next "great idea" because all his effort went to fund someone else who just copied it?

So yeah, feel free to back, I never said don't in fact, just that I can't do so when their initial designs are copied of Anarchy models - had there been some moon shapes, faces, stickmen, traffic cones, guns, dogs, or any other NEW designs in there that would be one thing, but there isn't.

Infact, I've just checked the TTC flame design to the Anarchy one and they look a lot closer than I originally thought, surely there must be a different way to design flames?

Instead of comparing TTC's similarities to Anarchy's products as the sole basis of your argument, maybe you should also try comparing Anarchy's designs with those of many other stencil companies that were already around before Anarchy? Other companies already made hex, scale, camo, flame, and other stencils before Anarchy.

As far as why TTC chose the ones they did, they chose the ones they suspect will be most popular. If you even reviewed the KS, they state that this is primarily to gauge interest to find out which designs would be most popular for them to produce. There's no point in them making a stencil full of fluffly bunnies and flowers for gamers (unless you play Pretty Marines), but lots of use for hexes, flames, and other common designs.

As I said each to their own, if you see nothing wrong with this then go ahead and back. I simply gave my opinion.

However I simply cannot believe that they couldn't have shown some small degree of creativity in this. Yes those are all fairly common wargaming designs bit there are still loads of other deaigns they could have at least tried - don't forget that the actual idea of KS is to try new stuff, if nobody wanted it then they didn't have to make them but they should have at least taken the time to have thought of something a little different.

Wolf heads as a fairly common deaign in wargames (just take a little care to avoid a certain companies designs) the roman imperial eagle would also probably sell well. What abot Roman numerals, they would surely be popular or a pair of crossed sword which is another common generic design.

My point is that yes doing some of the same designs woild be expected, there is a reason that Anarchy chose them after all. I just cannot brimg myself to back something where every single design can be tracked to a popular recent KS, they shoild have at least shown some degree of creativity and imagination.

If you feel different go ahead and back, I've never said they are doing anything illegal, jiat that I find it immoral.

Thanks for keeping this bumped, guys. I also appreciate the comedy outrage. Better boycott Kromlech, Maxmini, Anvil, Vic Minis, Vallejo Model Colour, and GW while you're at it.

I've just backed this for the max 15 designs. I spent a lot more on the Anarchy ones, and at the price, this one is a no-brainer.

I also see this one as a lot more useful for terrain and scenery painting than the Anarchy ones, particularly as these are HDF. In fact, I see them as complimentary products rather than competing ones. Just like I can use paints and brushes from more then 1 manufacturer while painting my armies that are made of parts and models from omre than 1 manufacturer....

Yeah Aza, that's why I'm in for 15 of these too for what, ~$40?, after getting 12 of the anarchy ones for ~$120. I have asked them for more demos, since it looked like very soft lines even on a flat surface, I'd like to see exactly what we can expect from them before the end. As you say, they're definitely more complementary than competing. Much quicker and easier to use, not to mention permanently reusable which should be great for some uses.

 Azazelx wrote:
Thanks for keeping this bumped, guys. I also appreciate the comedy outrage. Better boycott Kromlech, Maxmini, Anvil, Vic Minis, Vallejo Model Colour, and GW while you're at it.

I've just backed this for the max 15 designs. I spent a lot more on the Anarchy ones, and at the price, this one is a no-brainer.

I also see this one as a lot more useful for terrain and scenery painting than the Anarchy ones, particularly as these are HDF. In fact, I see them as complimentary products rather than competing ones. Just like I can use paints and brushes from more then 1 manufacturer while painting my armies that are made of parts and models from omre than 1 manufacturer....

I'll presume that is aimed at me so I'll make a final post before I allow the thread to revert to being back about news from the KS.

The only outrage I had was when someone took a single line out of a post to imply I was having a go at them for making stencils - when the rest of my post clearly states that the problem I have is that they are making stencils are exact copies of another recently successful KS by another company with no thought put into new designs at all.

You mention Kromlech, MaxMini, Anvil, Vic Minis, Vallejo and GW but as far as I know all of these design their own thing, do they make orc heads - yes they do, but each one has it's own style that makes it unique. Competition is fine and brings something to the market - blatantly running the exact same designs as someone else does not. Yes there are only so many ways to do an hex grid - but like I have said multiple times why did they have to pick these exact designs to start with?

So I find it immoral of them, but I'm certainly not outraged at this - certainly not lost any sleep over it, I simply gave my opinion - which if I'm not mistaken is what internet message boards are all about.

Someone mentioned that they were running this KS to see what designs would be popular enough to mass produce, wouldn't this then have been the perfect chance to try something that was different to another recent KS? If nobody had wanted it you just don't make it but at least put a little imagination and effort into it.

It's a shame too cause I thought their take on painting videos ("How to paint an entire army to a decent standard quickly") was actually a very imaginative way of releasing a set of painting videos - there are thousands of teach yourself to paint videos but I've not seen anything like that before (they could exist before people start listing the hundreds I have missed, just that I have never seen them). Clearly there are people at TTC who can think of new ideas, this just isn't one of them.

Anyway I shall now bow out and allow the thread to go back to news about the KS,

Stranger83 wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

Stranger83 wrote:
I'll be staying away from this one on moral grounds, taking somebody's idea and improving/changing it I have no problem with, but going "wow, I can copy that exactly" I find a little distasteful.

Lolwut?

1) Stencils are nothing new, I'm sure the guys at Anarchy were like, "what if we marketed our own handmade stencils?" They copied stencils from someone else who copied it from someone else so on and so forth until you eventually get back to the poor sap that was drunk and had a piece of cardboard covering up part of what he was painting over and went, "ya know, I think this looks pretty cool"*
2) There is always someone who will do it better, cheaper, or faster. Anarchy's stencils might be better, but are they cheaper? That depends on how often you have to replace your Anarchy stencils because they're only "semi re-usable" (their words). So you already have to plan future purchases into this. The TTCombat stencils might need to be replaced half as often as the Anarchy ones (which means you're spending far less money on those already). Faster doesn't really come into play here unless production and shipping takes longer for one company over the other.
3) There is no moral high ground here, Anarchy offered a product, people loved it to the tune of £20,797. TTC is offering a similar product at a cheaper price. It is called healthy competition. If there was a moral high ground, we'd all be driving around in Benz automobiles because that filthy Henry Ford came along and said, "wow, I can copy that exactly" (and for a lower price, and a quicker production turnaround). The only test of who has the better product will be the results post-kickstarter once both of these products are released and in the wild. Will people want Anarchy's stencils because the quality of the stencil while it lasts (before replacing it) is worth the additional costs, or will TTCombat's stencils work for those of us that want a cheap product that works out pretty well? What if, dare I say it, they both work out well and have their own fans/brand loyal customers?

I'll toss them some cash as I missed out on the Anarchy stencils, and I'd like to see how well these ones work. the Checkerboard pattern on the Stormraven doesn't thrill me, but the scales and honeycomb seem to work pretty well.

* - Historical reenactment

Way to take 1 line out of my post and misrepresent what I said. You completely took out the part where I say:

Stranger83 wrote:


Indeed, whilst I understand that stencils are nothing new - and it is possible that they had always planned to do a stencil kit I find the fact that most if not all the initial designs are an exact replica of the Anarchy stencils to be a little unlikely to be coincidence (ok the flames don't look exactly the same I guess)

My first sentence is on how stencils are not now - however THESE stencils are an exact copy of the designs by Anarchy, i find it highly unlikely that this is anything other than a chance to jump on anarchys hard work with the designs.

Had they come out with stencils that look different to Anarchy then that is fine, but these designs look exactly the same as the other ones.

Yes, because flames, hexes, checkers are so original Anarchy had better worry about losing its IP lol. What the hell else would you make a wargaming stencil featuring? Ponies and rainbows?

You guys read like GW IP lawyers looking to moonlight.

The other ones are stupid expensive and not even really reusable. If these work half as well, good for them.

Things like hexes, flames, checkerboards are basically all tropes at this point in time, and Anarchy (who I also backed) are far from the first set of people who had the idea of putting flames, checker patterns, hexes, digital camo, etc on vehicles - you may as well call Anarchy's designs exact copies of stuff we've seen GW use (who are also far from the first!)

Aside from it's use in sci-fi and Infinity, Hex Camo is an actual IRL thing, common on Australian military vehicles.



Yonan, I see these as more useful when soft edges are acceptable - for example the flames, or the "soft"-edged hexes shown on the Necron croissant. The Anarchy ones will work better when you want hard edges that conform to a model's edge.

These ones will also work really well for scenery - which is a good example of a place you're probably not going to be too willing to use your 8-quid-a-pop Anarchy stencils on.

I actually didn't know hex camo was a real thing.

Interesting update! If the £10 includes international shipping, that's pretty damn good value. It's basic as far as paint racks go, but functional. I'd probably want to add a bottom piece to the rack, so it can be transported and the bottom used as carry space, but that's real easy to sort myself.

Creator Jason Beckerleg 1 minute ago
@ Yonan
Yes that does include international shipping

Update #1 Dec 9, 2013
Paint Rack Add On
£10 Add on

You can now add a paint rack to your pledge! These come flat packed and are easy to assemble without tools. You just need glue! Add any number of racks at £10 each!

There are 3 different racks and each has a storage area at the rear.

Please note that all models, paints etc are shown for scale only and not included.

The rack for GW/Tamiya paints holds 30

GW RACK £10 Add On!
The Coat D'Arms PP Rack holds 35


PP Rack £10 Add On!
The Warpaint Val rack holds 40


Warpaint Val Rack £10 Add on!
Rear view of storage area.

Rear Storage!

Later today we are going to update with stretch goals that have freebies and a list of other add on stencil packs!

Wow that's pretty close to the exact design of Battle Flag's Laser Cut Paint Racks.

Although on closer inspection not quite as nice, so probably safe from any IP issues and at very good pricing.

It's pretty close to the exact design of *any* paint rack though right? There's not much you can do about that.


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Update #2 Dec 9, 2013
Update pack one! Bricks mega stencil
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Snappy Stencil brick mega stencil
Ok so for our first update we have the mega brick stencil which measures in at:

Width 19.4cm

Height 27.8cm

Add £6 to your original pledge to receive this update pack!

 Yonan wrote:
It's pretty close to the exact design of *any* paint rack though right? There's not much you can do about that.

There's little bits that look very familiar like the cut outs at the front of each pot and the 'teeth' locking the vertical and horizontal pieces of each layer together, that don't look to my in-expert eye like thay 'have' to be exactly that design to be functional. I don't have mine at hand and I can see differences, but they do look uncannily similar (I'm quite open to there being 10 or 20 similar designs before the Battle Flag ones - I haven;t made an in depth study of laser cut MDF hobby storage systems
)

And they both look a lot like Back-to-Base-ix's ones and CNC's ones. They're paint racks reusing the same basic design that's been recycled over and over for at least a decade...

I'd prefer the nice clear acrylic B2B ones, but it's hard to argue with the price of this one... it is really cheap isn't it? Looks like half the price of the CNC ones which seem similar quality.