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I read a lot about the octavius war and it makes me think that all the consumption of orky genetic matierial could eventualy overwhelm the new generations of tyranids with an orky mindset. Which I thought after a while would make them see eachother as being orky. I read in some fluff that some orks were aboard an tyranids ship in which they found a squig that was created by tyranids. The squig and orks instantly found eachother orky and went on their merry way. So I just thought that something like this would be a fun twist on the war lol

Seems like background to me.


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We do know that orks from this war zone seem to have gained a weak Hivemind

Oops. Sorry I didnt see the background. Can I move this thread or do I just have too create one in background?

I sent a message to a mod. Back OT, GW clearly wants us to know that something weird\bad is going to come out of this.

 Lobukia wrote:
I sent a message to a mod. Back OT, GW clearly wants us to know that something weird\bad is going to come out of this.

What did GW say about that?

 Lobukia wrote:
We do know that orks from this war zone seem to have gained a weak Hivemind

We do? Never heard that before. Was this mentioned in the new 'Nid codex?

 Troike wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
We do know that orks from this war zone seem to have gained a weak Hivemind

We do? Never heard that before. Was this mentioned in the new 'Nid codex?

Nope they didnt add much new fluff in the recent nid codex.

We have two species known for hyperevolution bashing eachother's brains in, which further enables them to reproduce at lightning speeds. The ramifications of this, while interesting, are staggering for the galaxy. I wish GW would expand on this conflict with a couple of novels already, damn it.

 PrehistoricUFO wrote:
We have two species known for hyperevolution bashing eachother's brains in, which further enables them to reproduce at lightning speeds. The ramifications of this, while interesting, are staggering for the galaxy. I wish GW would expand on this conflict with a couple of novels already, damn it.

Totally not that relevant... but your hyper evolution comment out me in mind of Kroot (they are basically more civilized Tyranids, able to adapt their genetics based off what they eat).

Then something made me stop and think... krork -> ork right? Evreybody knows that. What if krork -> kroot (if you pronounce the o as a "two" type pronunciation and say it fast it's not too big a stretch).

Sorry, hyperactive imagination here, just loving the idea that Kroot and Orks could be related somehow.

 Troike wrote:

 Lobukia wrote:
We do know that orks from this war zone seem to have gained a weak Hivemind

We do? Never heard that before. Was this mentioned in the new 'Nid codex?

No, the white scar space marine battles book. The one where they're trying to disable ork supply lines into Octavius

walkertreat wrote:
. I read in some fluff that some orks were aboard an tyranids ship in which they found a squig that was created by tyranids. The squig and orks instantly found eachother orky and went on their merry way. So I just thought that something like this would be a fun twist on the war lol

That was the old Rogue Trader fluff for squigs, they were orks (I think) partially assimilated by the hive mind. The boarding orks recognized them as still orkoid and took them.

About assimilating the ork genetic material, we know the Mek's ability to build things in encoded in there. Theoretically speaking, shouldn't the tyranids have learned how to build battlewagons and shokk attack guns by now? Not to mention the spore reproduction and therefore the ability to infest a planet forever.

rowenstin wrote:
That was the old Rogue Trader fluff for squigs, they were orks (I think) partially assimilated by the hive mind. The boarding orks recognized them as still orkoid and took them.

About assimilating the ork genetic material, we know the Mek's ability to build things in encoded in there. Theoretically speaking, shouldn't the tyranids have learned how to build battlewagons and shokk attack guns by now? Not to mention the spore reproduction and therefore the ability to infest a planet forever.

Yea, but their desire is to feed, not to fight.

Its probable…

Quite a possibility.

rowenstin wrote:
Theoretically speaking, shouldn't the tyranids have learned how to build battlewagons and shokk attack guns by now?

I don't see why they would. They're more into modifying their biology to be good in combat, not making things.

How are the Orks evolving a Hive Mind? That doesn't even make sense, they aren't absorbing the DNA of Nids, it's like if the Armageddon Orks were developing black carapace because they were fighting marines...

The Nids take what they want from prey biology and leave the rest, the Ork mindset comes from their belief system, their society and culture, the Nids don't have a belief system. Presumably they'd be interesting in the Orks spore shedding and for all we know it's how they have been able to have splinters survive even Exterminatus or they may have already had it (we really don't know the full extent of how tough it is to remove Orky infestions).

The Hive Mind is in charge and we don't even know if it even *has* a body thus whether DNA absorption would have an effect on it in terms of behaviour.
From the new codex we know they have consumed countless species across countless worlds, the Orks may have had a genetic trick or two the Nids would have stolen but the idea that the Nids after all these years and species would become Orky enough to not kill them on sight/be recognised as Orky is kinda silly.

The bad thing coming out of that system is that either you will have a Warboss leading the biggest Waaaagh! the galaxy has ever known or a Hive Fleet with so much biomass that they could even drown worlds like Macragge in a tide of gribbly death.
If that war ever ends the Imperium is up a creek.

 Dunklezahn wrote:
How are the Orks evolving a Hive Mind? That doesn't even make sense, they aren't absorbing the DNA of Nids, it's like if the Armageddon Orks were developing black carapace because they were fighting marines...

The Nids take what they want from prey biology and leave the rest, the Ork mindset comes from their belief system, their society and culture, the Nids don't have a belief system. Presumably they'd be interesting in the Orks spore shedding and for all we know it's how they have been able to have splinters survive even Exterminatus or they may have already had it (we really don't know the full extent of how tough it is to remove Orky infestions).

The Hive Mind is in charge and we don't even know if it even *has* a body thus whether DNA absorption would have an effect on it in terms of behaviour.
From the new codex we know they have consumed countless species across countless worlds, the Orks may have had a genetic trick or two the Nids would have stolen but the idea that the Nids after all these years and species would become Orky enough to not kill them on sight/be recognised as Orky is kinda silly.

The bad thing coming out of that system is that either you will have a Warboss leading the biggest Waaaagh! the galaxy has ever known or a Hive Fleet with so much biomass that they could even drown worlds like Macragge in a tide of gribbly death.
If that war ever ends the Imperium is up a creek.

Who is to say the Orks haven't killed a synapse creature and eaten it, thereby somehow inheriting a link to the hive mind from eating it's brain?

I can totally imagine Orks eating their defeated foes.

This reminds of a bit of old Tau fluff in which some Kroot killed Slaaneshi chaos marines and ate them; ending up mutating and joining the chaos side.

 rohansoldier wrote:

 Dunklezahn wrote:
How are the Orks evolving a Hive Mind? That doesn't even make sense, they aren't absorbing the DNA of Nids, it's like if the Armageddon Orks were developing black carapace because they were fighting marines...

The Nids take what they want from prey biology and leave the rest, the Ork mindset comes from their belief system, their society and culture, the Nids don't have a belief system. Presumably they'd be interesting in the Orks spore shedding and for all we know it's how they have been able to have splinters survive even Exterminatus or they may have already had it (we really don't know the full extent of how tough it is to remove Orky infestions).

The Hive Mind is in charge and we don't even know if it even *has* a body thus whether DNA absorption would have an effect on it in terms of behaviour.
From the new codex we know they have consumed countless species across countless worlds, the Orks may have had a genetic trick or two the Nids would have stolen but the idea that the Nids after all these years and species would become Orky enough to not kill them on sight/be recognised as Orky is kinda silly.

The bad thing coming out of that system is that either you will have a Warboss leading the biggest Waaaagh! the galaxy has ever known or a Hive Fleet with so much biomass that they could even drown worlds like Macragge in a tide of gribbly death.
If that war ever ends the Imperium is up a creek.

Who is to say the Orks haven't killed a synapse creature and eaten it, thereby somehow inheriting a link to the hive mind from eating it's brain?

I can totally imagine Orks eating their defeated foes.

This reminds of a bit of old Tau fluff in which some Kroot killed Slaaneshi chaos marines and ate them; ending up mutating and joining the chaos side.

I made a topic yesterday about the fact of Orks eating their victims, so i agree. Mutations might be caused by devouring something.

except evolving by eating something isn't an Ork trick.

you might be thinking of the Kroot who IIRC do that

Yeah, that's never been a feature of Ork physiology. I don't doubt Orks have had Kentucky Fried Warrior but they don't become what they eat like Kroot.

I don't think it works like that.
Just because they eat a lot of Orks, doesn't mean they need to use all the Ork DNA as it is.

Nids have already used ork Dna and created spore mines (possibly) and biovores (this one is defo true), eldar Dna is zoanthropes, space marine is tyrant guard, don't know if any of this has been retconned to be fair.

My nids all have jutting tusks to represent the amount of ork Dna they have absorbed


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The tyrants and gargoyles also have red wings, the hive mind for reasons it cannot understand seems to produce them with red wings, though it has noticed it has made them faster for reasons it cannot comprehend.

 Dunklezahn wrote:
How are the Orks evolving a Hive Mind? That doesn't even make sense, they aren't absorbing the DNA of Nids, it's like if the Armageddon Orks were developing black carapace because they were fighting marines...

The Nids take what they want from prey biology and leave the rest, the Ork mindset comes from their belief system, their society and culture, the Nids don't have a belief system. Presumably they'd be interesting in the Orks spore shedding and for all we know it's how they have been able to have splinters survive even Exterminatus or they may have already had it (we really don't know the full extent of how tough it is to remove Orky infestions).

The Hive Mind is in charge and we don't even know if it even *has* a body thus whether DNA absorption would have an effect on it in terms of behaviour.
From the new codex we know they have consumed countless species across countless worlds, the Orks may have had a genetic trick or two the Nids would have stolen but the idea that the Nids after all these years and species would become Orky enough to not kill them on sight/be recognised as Orky is kinda silly.

The bad thing coming out of that system is that either you will have a Warboss leading the biggest Waaaagh! the galaxy has ever known or a Hive Fleet with so much biomass that they could even drown worlds like Macragge in a tide of gribbly death.
If that war ever ends the Imperium is up a creek.

I could see it happening, actually. Maybe tiny tyranid organisms infested ork spores? There's bound to be a lot of those floating around, what with all the dead everything, and tyranid invasions go all the way down to the microscopic level. Suppose the Hive Fleet tried to hijack ork reproduction methods, maybe in the hopes of swarms of feral tyranid-like organisms overrunning ork spawning grounds (by which I mean old battlefields), only no one accounted for how ork biology is so...orky.

Cue the next batch of boyz being "a bit off", obeying the boss weirdboy unquestioningly and dying to keep him safe as they launch strangely coordinated assaults...the others will probably write them off as Blood Axes taking things a bit far even for them, so long as there's still bugs to kill, but if they win and start taking a closer look there's going to be trouble.

 Formosa wrote:
Nids have already used ork Dna and created spore mines (possibly)

I don't believe Tyranids learned their spore bioweaponry from Orks. In the Nid codex, it talks of how the first (known) encounter with Orks had the Tyranids already using spore mines the size of battlecruisers in the space fight. I don't think even Tyranids can consume, learn, and grow something that size in their first battle with another specie. The Jagga Waagh! did indeed provide the Hive Mind with ample samples, since some dummies tried to board the ship and really just provided them some nice take-out delivery in doing so, so it's possible but highly unlikely in my opinion.

Yeah tis why I said possible for the spore mines, I think the way the biovore grows spores may also be orky in nature, just a personal theory here but the speed in which they must grow May be an enhanced hybrid ork spore that just grows spore mines super fast l.

 PrehistoricUFO wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Nids have already used ork Dna and created spore mines (possibly)

I don't believe Tyranids learned their spore bioweaponry from Orks. In the Nid codex, it talks of how the first (known) encounter with Orks had the Tyranids already using spore mines the size of battlecruisers in the space fight. I don't think even Tyranids can consume, learn, and grow something that size in their first battle with another specie. The Jagga Waagh! did indeed provide the Hive Mind with ample samples, since some dummies tried to board the ship and really just provided them some nice take-out delivery in doing so, so it's possible but highly unlikely in my opinion.

Not to mention the fact that they were using spores on Tyran, the first recorded contact with them in this galaxy at all.

It's true that the Biovore (and a few other things) may have borrowed some spore cultivation techniques from Ork biology, but really aside from lots of biomass and maybe some interesting ideas on physical resilience, I don't see the Hive Mind really gaining all that much from Orks. They do everything Ork biology does already, except better and adapted for life in the vacuum of space.

Xyptc wrote:

 PrehistoricUFO wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Nids have already used ork Dna and created spore mines (possibly)

I don't believe Tyranids learned their spore bioweaponry from Orks. In the Nid codex, it talks of how the first (known) encounter with Orks had the Tyranids already using spore mines the size of battlecruisers in the space fight. I don't think even Tyranids can consume, learn, and grow something that size in their first battle with another specie. The Jagga Waagh! did indeed provide the Hive Mind with ample samples, since some dummies tried to board the ship and really just provided them some nice take-out delivery in doing so, so it's possible but highly unlikely in my opinion.

Not to mention the fact that they were using spores on Tyran, the first recorded contact with them in this galaxy at all.

It's true that the Biovore (and a few other things) may have borrowed some spore cultivation techniques from Ork biology, but really aside from lots of biomass and maybe some interesting ideas on physical resilience, I don't see the Hive Mind really gaining all that much from Orks. They do everything Ork biology does already, except better and adapted for life in the vacuum of space.

I wouldn't say better, just less "Robust" than Orks.

Xyptc wrote:

 PrehistoricUFO wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Nids have already used ork Dna and created spore mines (possibly)

I don't believe Tyranids learned their spore bioweaponry from Orks. In the Nid codex, it talks of how the first (known) encounter with Orks had the Tyranids already using spore mines the size of battlecruisers in the space fight. I don't think even Tyranids can consume, learn, and grow something that size in their first battle with another specie. The Jagga Waagh! did indeed provide the Hive Mind with ample samples, since some dummies tried to board the ship and really just provided them some nice take-out delivery in doing so, so it's possible but highly unlikely in my opinion.

Not to mention the fact that they were using spores on Tyran, the first recorded contact with them in this galaxy at all.

It's true that the Biovore (and a few other things) may have borrowed some spore cultivation techniques from Ork biology, but really aside from lots of biomass and maybe some interesting ideas on physical resilience, I don't see the Hive Mind really gaining all that much from Orks. They do everything Ork biology does already, except better and adapted for life in the vacuum of space.

I agree that Orks don't have much to offer, but what they can potentially yield is game-changing. Their gestalt psychic-techno-fields enabling their tech is not absorbable and basically useless to the Tyranids anyway, and their style of combat is pretty much already utilized by Nids, thus Tyranids have effective units paralleling Orks to begin with.

I think the Tyranids would be interested in these Ork features:

-The ability to evolve individual units as they accrue kills. Orks' bodies reward them as they kill, growing in size, skin darkening, tusks lengthening. These are real-time changes occurring as a result of the carnage of battle surrounding them. If Tyranids could somehow apply this feature to their creatures already fielded, we could be looking at real-time evolutions occurring, without having to wait for the next wave for its new found efficacy (though that would come later on anyway).

-The ability to reproduce via spores. We all know how this works for Orks and how it can result in astronomical reproduction. If Tyranids can adapt this to their reproduction, the galaxy would have to face immediate Tyranid reproduction in addition to those grown within the bio-ships.

Can't believe this hadn't been posted yet
http://www.heresy-online.net/forums/showthread.php?p=534573

That has an excellent fan depiction of what might happen

Why can'tthe imperium bum-rush the planet and virus bomb it?

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
Why can'tthe imperium bum-rush the planet and virus bomb it?

Because they are not the only ones trying to blockade the system. Also, they are very reluctant to use virus bombs on a foe growing stronger that may just well become immune to it. It's why they don't use virus bombs much at all against Tyranids.