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2014/01/30 01:25:55
Subject: Elder Scrolls new "movie" or why I hate this eye candy stuff.
Bethesda put out the new trailer and it's very impressive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mkdxi2QgLH8 But my beef is that with that all eye candy when I get to play the game it will be a let down. It's a pet peeve of mine I know but from a mostly offline gamer PoV at least in the rpgs my char gets to go through the scenes so in a way it's an incentive to grind the levels. But in online games most of the time the cynematics don't have anything to do with your progress and terrific videos like this one look unrelated, it's even worse, if I want my char to do stuff in game like tearing a bridge appart using the bodies of my my enemiesI can't :( due to the limitations of the game engine. /
Still I was really really impressed by the video.
M.
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Jenkins: You don't have jurisdiction here!
Smith Jamison: We aren't here, which means when we open up on you and shred your bodies with automatic fire then this will never have happened.
About the Clans: "Those brief outbursts of sense can't hold back the wave of sibko bred, over hormoned sociopaths that they crank out though."
2014/01/30 03:55:45
Subject: Elder Scrolls ne "movie" or why I hate this eye candy stuff.
The pricing sturcture is going to absolutely murder this game. £50(!) for the base game and a £9 subscription in an era where MMOs are either F2P or subscription free is simply not going to work.
No trailer is ever honest, they are after all advertising and adverts never tell the truth.
RegalPhantom wrote: If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
Warzone Plog
2014/01/31 01:30:50
Subject: Elder Scrolls ne "movie" or why I hate this eye candy stuff.
The price is not that bad but as always will depend on what's inside and if the game works on micropayments or not like before and if those payments cover just fancy items or top tier items will have to be bought with real money.
If the later I will agree with you that there are already many F2P games around where you kit your hero with top tier gear with your credit card's help.
M.
PS: Went and checked, I had forgotten that they already said that there will be microtransactions for "fun" items and nothing in the core of the game Will we see the ubbersword of Daedra slaying +23 make it to the "fun" item shop?
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Jenkins: You don't have jurisdiction here!
Smith Jamison: We aren't here, which means when we open up on you and shred your bodies with automatic fire then this will never have happened.
About the Clans: "Those brief outbursts of sense can't hold back the wave of sibko bred, over hormoned sociopaths that they crank out though."
2014/01/31 02:17:23
Subject: Elder Scrolls new "movie" or why I hate this eye candy stuff.
I played at Eurogamer last year and a beta weekend recently.
I'm a long running fan of TES, I think they peaked around Morrowind, and while technically Oblivion and Skyrim are superb, they lack a certain something, for me. Still played the hell out of them both though. My Steam hours clocked is shamefully high.
I am also a big fan of MMOs in general. Been playing them since they were called MUDs, and were entirely text driven (Legends of Terris!)
Didn't like TES Online. Felt like a dumbed down TES game, surrounded by spankers. It was very pretty, and had a lot of what would be associated with the latest games in the TES series, but it didn't feel like a good TES game, OR a good MMO. Just a half arsed version of both.
Shame.
On a related note it's worth remembering that Oblivion really got the ball rolling on micro transactions. I'll let you decide if that's a good thing or not.
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2014/01/31 02:29:32
Subject: Elder Scrolls new "movie" or why I hate this eye candy stuff.
80 dollars to buy the game initially, and then another 20 dollars every month to make your 80 dollar investment more than a paperweight.
That is ludicrous.
where ya getting that from?
all pre-orders are 59.99 for the game and listed 14.99 per month on their website...
unless you're playing on Xbox... then you have to pay for Xbox live gold
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2014/01/31 04:23:28
Subject: Elder Scrolls new "movie" or why I hate this eye candy stuff.
Well read the source next time XD In the US it'll be $15 so you won't need to worry too much and in the US the game is selling for $60 for the standard edition.
Games have been rising in price in Europe for some time now. Nothing new here.
Being a little bit snarky with the video, is this how the game is going to play? A bunch of players ganking each other until the quest npcs arrive to fight and get the loot, only for an donkey-cave to shoot the quest mcguffin and have the npcs despawn?
M.
Jenkins: You don't have jurisdiction here!
Smith Jamison: We aren't here, which means when we open up on you and shred your bodies with automatic fire then this will never have happened.
About the Clans: "Those brief outbursts of sense can't hold back the wave of sibko bred, over hormoned sociopaths that they crank out though."
2014/01/31 06:08:09
Subject: Elder Scrolls new "movie" or why I hate this eye candy stuff.
Yeah, they're trying to hype this thing until release, so they can cash in at least SOME money out of this soon to be trainwreck. Subscription Fees for unmoddable-Online-Skyrim with Griefers and Flamers tacked on? How about no.
I give that thing a few months, after which the Hype will have died down and bad Reviews have made a few rounds. And then maybe a year to two years before it has to swtich over to F2P and then disappears into a niche like LOTRO. It really disgusts me how much of an ultra "Lets take a big name and cash in"-TESO seems to be, especially when there are other MMORPGS on the Horizon who actually try to be innovative and boast a lot of cool features, like Wildstar and the new WoW-Addon. You reap what you sow I guess.
Have to agree on Trailers and Cinematics tough. Cinematic-Trailers are hillariously useless and usually act as a curtain to hide generic/boring Gameplay or unfinished parts. Its a bad sign if a Game cant even show you some actual Gameplay and instead has to throw meaningless Cutscenes your way.
Ingame Cinematics _can_ be cool, but they tend to take me out of the Experience. The effect of something grand and bombastic happening is much greater when im still in control. The Dragon Attacks in Skyrim where a lot cooler simply because I myself had to turn around and watch the thing descent, getting ready to breath fire at me. Would've been a lot less cool if every Dragon just arrived in a Cutscene "Rawr im'a Dragon!"
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2014/01/31 09:36:56
Subject: Elder Scrolls new "movie" or why I hate this eye candy stuff.
Games have been rising in price in Europe for some time now. Nothing new here.
They haven't been, at least not by much. An expensive PC game, CoD etc, is £35, this is £49.99 for the standard edition, or £69.99 if you want to play as an Imperial!1!
The average game costs about the same now as it did 10 years ago (and considerably less when Steam et al are taken into account).
I predict the retail price and the subscription to be heavily reduced in the months post release once the publishers realise the a crippling error that they have made. I also predict that it will become a F2P game within a year of release.
RegalPhantom wrote: If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
Warzone Plog
2014/01/31 14:57:47
Subject: Elder Scrolls new "movie" or why I hate this eye candy stuff.
^^^ I would pick it up if it were not for the subscription fee. The fees tend to give people the feeling that they need to play the game more in order to get their money worth which creates stress and unpleasent gameplay with other people.
10 - 12 years ago, PC games were around 40$ in the US. A few years later, the standard rose to 50$, and a few years ago the standard became 60$. The difference now is that games are 60$ direct from retail, and they dunk in price after a few weeks, and then are cut in half as soon as steam has a sale which comes up every month or so. I have even seen steam do sales on Pre-order games that wont be released for weeks or months.
I played the beta for this, its pretty good looking/feeling. Definitely feels like a solid game compared to most if not all the other MMOs out there.
Games have been rising in price in Europe for some time now. Nothing new here.
They haven't been, at least not by much. An expensive PC game, CoD etc, is £35, this is £49.99 for the standard edition, or £69.99 if you want to play as an Imperial!1!
The average game costs about the same now as it did 10 years ago (and considerably less when Steam et al are taken into account).
I predict the retail price and the subscription to be heavily reduced in the months post release once the publishers realise the a crippling error that they have made. I also predict that it will become a F2P game within a year of release.
The "standard edition" here in the US includes the ability to play as an Imperial if you preorder.
You're paying more for the "Imperial Edition" because it also includes:
Molag Bal Statue. A 12" statue featuring Molag Bal, Daedric Prince of domination and enslavement.
The Improved Emperor's Guide to Tamriel. A 224-page illustrated guide annotated by the Imperial scholar, Flaccus Terentius.
Physical Map of Tamriel. A 21" x 26" printed map detailing Alliance-controlled zones and the ultimate conquest: Cyrodiil.
Steel Case Packaging. A limited edition steel case decorated in the color of the Imperials.
Exclusive Collection of Digital Content.
I'm still trying to figure out all of the details but the Elder Scrolls Online site was very unhappy.
2014/01/31 15:48:40
Subject: Elder Scrolls new "movie" or why I hate this eye candy stuff.
The website says that preordering any edition lets you play as any race in any alliance. The Imperial character is separate, as far as I can tell.
There could still be a seperate US digital edition, I can't be arsed to fiddle with my IP address to find out though
RegalPhantom wrote: If your fluff doesn't fit, change your fluff until it does
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
Warzone Plog
2014/01/31 16:33:05
Subject: Elder Scrolls new "movie" or why I hate this eye candy stuff.
That's usually the story for licensed games isn't it? Why is anyone surprised TES online is any different?
I'm not really sure how TES is a 'licensed game'? TES has always been games, it's never been a film, and afaik 'licensed' is used to mean games made from films(or books or plays or other non-game media)?
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It is licensed in that its being made by a company other than the one who owns the rights to the IP. You're right the term is often used in reference to games based on other media, but ZeniMax has been licensed to make and manage the game by Bethesda.
Oh, I was under the impression that because Bethesda (developer) made the normal games, and that Bethesda (publisher) owned the rights to the games, that Bethesda (developer) were making the MMO. My bad.
Nah its stuff. The only hope I really have for this game is that the Elder Scrolls Universe is Bethesda's baby. They based it on the company's founder's own D&D setting and you can tell all the love they've poored into that universe. Say what you want about Bethesda's ability to make a game bug free or complete in its content, but they love Tamriel.
I hope they remain involved enough in ESO's development to carry over that. An Elder Scrolls MMO is a great idea. It's all down to execution.
That said, I'm done with preorders. I'll wait for reviews.
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The game will be an utter failure anyway. They had a good story...now they added in Deadra Necromancers and suddenly one faction is all evil and undead...
Pre orders took away all the meaning of those three factions. It doesn't matter what you play anymore. Poof you can play as an Imperial now! all that for just 80 euro... plus the 13 euro subscription. And it's just the digital edition!
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Poor ignorant guardsmen, it be but one of many of the great miracles of the Emperor! The Emperor is magic, like Harry Potter, but more magic! A most real and true SPACE WIZARD! And for the last time... I'm not a space plumber.
I've hated the idea of this game since it was announced. I really wish they'd get off the MMO train of thought, as the setting to the MMO looks like it would be epic as a singleplayer or perhaps co-op Elder Scrolls experience.
The cinematic thing isn't really new though. MMO's are the worse offenders, but we can at least keep hold of the cinematics if they are cool.
This example being from another game that I wish had never been made. Still has awesome cinematic trailers though.
I think the Gears of War cinematic trailers work quite well at conveying the gameplay in an indirect way.
The Grumpy Eldar wrote: They had a good story...now they added in Deadra Necromancers and suddenly one faction is all evil and undead...
Gotta get dat WoW copy on.
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