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Does anyone think that it would maybe be illegal to put Imperial Guard Heavy Weapons teams on 40mm bases (Terminator Bases) as opposed to the 60mm bases (Carnifex Base) that they normally come with? Second part of this is whether they can physically fit on a 40mm base. So what do you guys/gals think?

The rules call for models to be on the base with which they are supplied.

Can you quote me a page number for that good sir?

Page 3

While that's all well and good. It just says the book assumes the models are on the bases supplied, it doesn't say that its illegal to use a different base size.

It also doesn't give you permission to put them on anything else, which is what you need here.

The book doesn't list everything that you can't do. It would have to be the size of a house for that. It instead tells you what you can do. If what you want to do isn't listed as something that can be done, then that isn't something that can be done within the rules.

I would like to see a page and paragraph number giving permission to put the models on a smaller base, without that it would be illegal to field a model with a smaller base then one supplied with it.

 insaniak wrote:
It also doesn't give you permission to put them on anything else, which is what you need here.

The book doesn't list everything that you can't do. It would have to be the size of a house for that. It instead tells you what you can do. If what you want to do isn't listed as something that can be done, then that isn't something that can be done within the rules.

I suppose that's a good point. Oh well.

Does it say that you can put them on smaller bases? If not, then yes it is illegal as the rules tell us what we can do, not what we can't.

If you want Imperial Guard heavy weapons teams on smaller bases get some of the older style ones, with 2 separate models.

 Shandara wrote:
If you want Imperial Guard heavy weapons teams on smaller bases get some of the older style ones, with 2 separate models.

Which doesn't really work under the current rules, in which guard heavies are a single model represented by two guys on a single base.

Why would you want to do this?

If you need more bases use Copenhagen lids. Might sound redneck but hey, by the emperor, I got about a 100 extra "bases" for my heavy weapons teams now! They are also maybe a cm or two off from being the exact size.

 Crimson wrote:
Why would you want to do this?

The 60mm bases being a nuisance around dense terrain is the most common reason for wanting heavies on smaller bases.

Mac0342 wrote:
If you need more bases use Copenhagen lids. Might sound redneck but hey, by the emperor, I got about a 100 extra "bases" for my heavy weapons teams now! They are also maybe a cm or two off from being the exact size.

Glad i wasn't the only one who has done this Cheaper that way I think you meant 1mm difference though.

Yea I'm not good with the measurements lol but I know they are practically spot on. Nice to hear I'm not flying solo lol

 insaniak wrote:
It also doesn't give you permission to put them on anything else, which is what you need here.

The book doesn't list everything that you can't do. It would have to be the size of a house for that. It instead tells you what you can do. If what you want to do isn't listed as something that can be done, then that isn't something that can be done within the rules.

Nice that means I don't have to put new bases to my terminators (been playing W40K since Rogue Trader) as my only termie with 40mm base is Logan Grimnar

By the rules, no. A lot of players still expect it, though.

 GreatAtuin wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
It also doesn't give you permission to put them on anything else, which is what you need here.

The book doesn't list everything that you can't do. It would have to be the size of a house for that. It instead tells you what you can do. If what you want to do isn't listed as something that can be done, then that isn't something that can be done within the rules.

Nice that means I don't have to put new bases to my terminators (been playing W40K since Rogue Trader) as my only termie with 40mm base is Logan Grimnar

In regular play you wouldn't HAVE to, But for Tournament play it is up to the TO for that call. some say its ok since that is what they came with, others say they have been coming with 40mm as a standard for long enough to be considered standard and models should be updated to represent this.

Having a unit of Mixed new and Old style Termies; I keep my older ones on their 25mm bases, then Glue that to a 40mm.

This makes their Base size and height at least roughly equal.

And for the IG Weapons Teams, I only glue a gunner to the base, using the loader on a 25mm base as a regular guardsman.

As a single 2W model i see no necessity to place the second guardsman on the base, I view them as simply extra bitz Like the Backpacks, Binoculars, and other random stuff on the sprue(Also, Hey, free guardsman).

 GreatAtuin wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
It also doesn't give you permission to put them on anything else, which is what you need here.

The book doesn't list everything that you can't do. It would have to be the size of a house for that. It instead tells you what you can do. If what you want to do isn't listed as something that can be done, then that isn't something that can be done within the rules.

Nice that means I don't have to put new bases to my terminators (been playing W40K since Rogue Trader) as my only termie with 40mm base is Logan Grimnar

Those models weren't supplied with the larger bases, so technically it is against the rules to rebase them to match current Terminators.

I had the issue at a tournament where I fielded the old Nurgle Daemon prince (who came on a terminator base) and a unit of the old fleshounds which came (like my SM bikers) on old square cavalry bases.

I had a discussion with one of my opponents who wanted me to forfeit as my army was incorrectly based.

All in all, it depends what you're going to do with it. I for one wouldn't mind as that would mean that I can hit more models with a large blast template or flamer (as the stupid heavy weapons team is a 2W model instead of 2 single wounds).

On the question of whether the heavy weapon team would fit, I'd have to say no. You might fit one on there, but most likely that would even be a stretch.

Redwyrmling wrote:
I had a discussion with one of my opponents who wanted me to forfeit as my army was incorrectly based.

Ask him to point out where the rules are that support his view. It usually stops them dead.

Regarding my termies I only play with friends, no tournaments for me. And in case there's nany problem I always bring with me 40mm cardboard cuts to solve any possible problem.

 PrinceRaven wrote:
Those models weren't supplied with the larger bases, so technically it is against the rules to rebase them to match current Terminators.

From Models and Base Size:
"you should always feel free to mount the model on a base of appropriate size if you wish, using models of a similar type as guidance".

So you can choose to stick them on 40mm, but not 60mm for example or a smaller size.

Yea my wife's old Wraithguard will stay on the smaller base until GW starts handing them out for free.

 grendel083 wrote:

 PrinceRaven wrote:
Those models weren't supplied with the larger bases, so technically it is against the rules to rebase them to match current Terminators.

From Models and Base Size:
"you should always feel free to mount the model on a base of appropriate size if you wish, using models of a similar type as guidance".

So you can choose to stick them on 40mm, but not 60mm for example or a smaller size.

I stand corrected.

 grendel083 wrote:

 PrinceRaven wrote:
Those models weren't supplied with the larger bases, so technically it is against the rules to rebase them to match current Terminators.

From Models and Base Size:
"you should always feel free to mount the model on a base of appropriate size if you wish, using models of a similar type as guidance".

So you can choose to stick them on 40mm, but not 60mm for example or a smaller size.

That statement is refering to models that come without a base, or that have for some reason wound up on a non-standard base. Not rebasing models just because you want to.

Having models on smaller bases would make fitting them on battlements easier. Would that be a bending of the rules?

Although not every game has battlements, this case seem to suggest the game requires models to be on their appropriate base sizes.

Edit: Battlement rules are on page 95 for those who wish to check it.

 Kommissar Kel wrote:
Having a unit of Mixed new and Old style Termies; I keep my older ones on their 25mm bases, then Glue that to a 40mm.

This makes their Base size and height at least roughly equal.

And for the IG Weapons Teams, I only glue a gunner to the base, using the loader on a 25mm base as a regular guardsman.

As a single 2W model i see no necessity to place the second guardsman on the base, I view them as simply extra bitz Like the Backpacks, Binoculars, and other random stuff on the sprue(Also, Hey, free guardsman).

Thats an interesting thought to essentially get a free guardsmen from your heavy weapon team! Actually, depending on how you plan your purchases, this could net you a PCS or CCS in extra figs quite easily.

What I did is to glue the second guardsmen to a 25mm base, but leave room for him on the 60mm base. There he acts sort of like a "wound counter" as well.