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Am I the only one?

Now I don't exactly rate them (from what we've seen so far) as a competitive choice but I've loved everything about Storm Troopers since 2nd Ed.

I've yet to see a response from the community about their use as an army beyond 'meh'.

Call them Stormtroopers or the Emperor will curse you

I wouldn't say I'm excited, but I am cautiously optimistic.

I like guard infantry, and for some time now there has been two ways to play them, the elite way with vets and stormies and the horde way with platoons and respawning conscripts.

6th edition pretty much killed off the latter, and by the looks of it, the former is splitting off to become tempestus. Unless the new guard codex does something serious to fix platoons (which I doubt they will given that the problems are caused entirely by the rule book, not the codex), then the only serious way to play guard infantry will be to run them as tempestus with guard allies for the vehicles.

As such, I may or may not make the switch, depending on what the guard codex does, but given my guesses, I'm cautiously optimistic about a tempestus core in my near future.

I love the fact there is more human infantry models. More Imperial Human Variety the better. As long as they are Imperial Guard compatible too.

Always keen for more Variety. Although I wont use the codex I have got the new vehicle and 10 men though.

Such a cool release model wise for sure.

Scions plus Tau and Knights makes a decent counts-as Mechanicus army for now, til Forge World makes a 40K Forgeworld list.

Assuming their count as 'Imperial Guard' on the allies matrix I'm looking to be using them as allies for my Chaos Daemons, they just look so cool!

They look really cool. I'm hoping to be able to check out the book before I get it though.

I just hope that IG players won't be forced to switch from veterans to storm troopers and their new transports.

 KhornateCake wrote:
Assuming their count as 'Imperial Guard' on the allies matrix I'm looking to be using them as allies for my Chaos Daemons, they just look so cool!

And with their filigree, points, and spikes, they even already look half-chaos to boot.

So now we have:
-Conscripts
Some training and ok gear, basically there is just a lot of them.

-Guardsmen
Some training and ok gear, basically there is just a lot of them.

-Vet Guards
Well trained experienced soldiers, the best soldiers in the Imperium.

-Storm Troopers
Well trainied elite soldiers, the best soldiers in the Imperium.

-Tempers
Well trained elite soldiers, the best soldiers in the Imperium.

-Scout Marines
Well trained elite soldiers, the best soldiers in the Imperium. In training.

-Tac Marines
Well trained elite soldiers, the best soldiers in the Imperium.

-Veteren Marines
Elite well trained elite soldiers, the best soldiers in the Imperium.

-Imperial Knights
Give us mones and we'll guarentee you can drink your opponents tears! Make most of his army pointless as you walk up the field doing whatever! (Offer not valid if your opponent has done the same, and has skill at cheese).

Anyone else think things could be handled a little better?

I think it goes:

Conscripts: The Children, The Elderly, The sick...

Guardsmen: Well Trained, Well equipped soldiers. lack experience...

Veteran Guardsmen: Well Trained, Well Equipped, have expertise...

Scions/Storm Troopers: Exceptionally well trained, Very well equipped, Well motivated and more versatile than most regiments.

Scout marines: Demented, slowed and bland

Marines: See Scout Marines But bigger.

Veteran Marines: See Marines but Heavy (due to extra Bling)

Imperial Knights: I dont think belong on this list


I dont know what you where trying to do, I just thought id put mine up too. But its awesome to see much more variety and modelling options.

I'm excited for the models, probably not the rules, but that's just me. I like to run them in platoon with Chenkov that I made with empire bits. But as Ailaros pointed out its not that efficient anymore.

I think the amount of bits in this new kit will help update the look of the guard in general and give it a bit more futurism.

I meant more that they should be more closely tied together, such as options on the same choice, or something. The new bits are awesome, and new abilities are interesting, but they seem to just go over the top.

I really like the Militant Tempertantrum guys, and I'm actually pretty excited about turning them into an Inquisitorial detachment for my Marines. That way they can ride around in a Razorback instead of that silly short bus.

Lol.

The joke around our FLGS is that veterans are guardsmen that managed to survive a battle, while regular guardsmen haven't.

I guess stormtroopers would be guardsmen who survived two...

I'd wait to see if they are in the IG book and just buy that. I have sinking suspicion on why they released this "Codex" first.

The models are good, but I don't see them replacing my acolytes or standard veterans.

 Ailaros wrote:
Lol.

The joke around our FLGS is that veterans are guardsmen that managed to survive a battle, while regular guardsmen haven't.

I guess stormtroopers would be guardsmen who survived two...

This seems really, really accurate.

I'm looking forward to them, I like the models, at least the troops models, and I am even starting to like the vehicle a bit more too. I don't really care about competetive play though and I can always just ally in some Tau anyway, so bring on the bonus run!

I'm with Ailaros on this one. I'm going to play it cautious & wait to see what is in the codex. From what we have seen so far I won't be surprised if Ogryns have their own codex, rough riders are cut etc. In which case I'll likely be taking another vacation from the hobby. No way in hell I am paying $150.00 for 3 codices (IG Codex/Ogryn/Stormtroopers) just to play the army that I had previously for $50.00.

I got the white dwarf so im safe either way. Get less rules but less risk along with the minimum needed to run them ish.

So if you want the models just get a cheap white dwarf with it.

Sure, but there's likely to be a great deal more to the tempestum codex than just the taurox and the scion platoons.

I mean, maybe not. After all, crimson slaughter was extremely rules-light. If it winds up being a mere fluff book with a touch of expansion rules that's one thing, rather than being a semi- or fully-independent codex it will be another.

Because if it winds up being basically a dataslate with $49 of fluff and pictures, then yeah, I'm going to pass. It's got to be a reasonable alternative to guard. If it is, I might be in, if it's just a few extra models, then I'll be out.

My guess is that it will be a little bit more involved, though. I guess we'll see.

 Ailaros wrote:
Sure, but there's likely to be a great deal more to the tempestum codex than just the taurox and the scion platoons.

I mean, maybe not. After all, crimson slaughter was extremely rules-light. If it winds up being a mere fluff book with a touch of expansion rules that's one thing, rather than being a semi- or fully-independent codex it will be another.

Because if it winds up being basically a dataslate with $49 of fluff and pictures, then yeah, I'm going to pass. It's got to be a reasonable alternative to guard. If it is, I might be in, if it's just a few extra models, then I'll be out.

My guess is that it will be a little bit more involved, though. I guess we'll see.

Yea but (in NZD) The white dwarf was $7.00 the Codex is $98.00. So I dont think that paying the extra $90 for orders and imperial guard vehicles (maybe an HQ or so) is worth it. Unless you really want to do a full Scion army. I will make do with the 7 dollar option personally.

So a few models and the white dwarf will get me set up and if its in the Militarum codex then all I lost was 7 dollars.

Well, my point is that the codex could wind up being rather more involved than the white dwarf article. If the codex winds up being just a bunch of fluff and pictures, but the rules don't go any deeper than the ~1 page of rules that white dwarf published, then yeah, I'm very unlikely to buy the codex (or even use tempestus unit (I'd say units, but one is the taurox) at all).

If, however, there is rather more to the codex, as I suspect there will be, then the WD will be a mere taste of what's in the book, and won't be comprehensive at all. In that case, just a WD article won't be enough to get everything one the one hand, and there will be enough actual content for me to consider getting the codex on the other.

 Ailaros wrote:
Well, my point is that the codex could wind up being rather more involved than the white dwarf article. If the codex winds up being just a bunch of fluff and pictures, but the rules don't go any deeper than the ~1 page of rules that white dwarf published, then yeah, I'm very unlikely to buy the codex (or even use tempestus unit (I'd say units, but one is the taurox) at all).

If, however, there is rather more to the codex, as I suspect there will be, then the WD will be a mere taste of what's in the book, and won't be comprehensive at all. In that case, just a WD article won't be enough to get everything one the one hand, and there will be enough actual content for me to consider getting the codex on the other.

True, but my point was how much more involved? I suspect there will be warlord traits, custom orders, and some IG units in there. Along with an HQ set up or 2. Which is great if you want an army. But if not then I reccomend just using the White Dwarf as a barely enough rule book for a squad or 2 of them.

For me its not the content as much as its how much more content (thats worthwhile content) compared to the cheap but not nearly as in depth option.

I know what you mean though.

Well, there is rumor of other different kinds of tauroces and this persistent ogryn rumor. Who knows where the divide between guard and tempestus will be. Also, for the tempestus book I have to imagine there will be a bunch of commissar stuff in there as well. Who knows?

 Ailaros wrote:
Lol.

The joke around our FLGS is that veterans are guardsmen that managed to survive a battle, while regular guardsmen haven't.

I guess stormtroopers would be guardsmen who survived two...

I actually always thought this was canon for guard...

I suppose im just speaking as someone who has never played a pick up game before. So yea for someone in my situation I just need unit rules for the Taurox and Scion squad. So the white dwarf fills that need 100%. The other stuff is just expensive paper to me.

Stormtrooper aren't super vets, they're just trained from a very young age.

I've actually always been psyched about Stormtrooper armies. My first IG army was a Stormtrooper army with the 3E IG codex (3 Troops "grenadiers" and 3 Elites Stormtroopers). I've had a whole lot of fun with FW's IA12 Assault Brigade list with Troops "Grenadiers" (stormtroopers without the special deployment rules but with DKoK special rules and as Troops and way cheaper). I really like the concept of the Militarum Tempestus (though I really wish they'd left them as Stormtroopers) and like the new Scion models, but not so sure about the actual execution (the Taurox looks like garbage and has mediocre at best rules to boot, the Scions likewise look to be rather mediocre at best unless they did something new with the Hotshot lasgun), and the pricing of the models of course sucks (being more expensive than my DKoK Grenadiers).

Valk, according to the pts values from the White Dwarf, Grenadiers aren't cheaper anymore, I think.

On the other hand, the ST lost a bunch of things, so the pts values might be more matched, see deep strike vs no morale test vs shooting and move through cover vs WS4/Not affected by Fear.