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ecurtz wrote:
They can be quite nice, but they've certainly never sent a bad sculpt back to be redone. I personally think the Reaper comparison is pretty good.

Agreed!

Mantic seems to not be able to receive a WIP (or maybe not ask/review WIPs?) from a sculptor, say "No, not quite!" and ask for it to be re-done/fixed.

Maybe?

Men at Arms?

But good point - it might be more of an egregious mold line placement thing.

After all, art being a subjective thing and all that!

And somewhere someone named "Ronnie" says...

..."CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!"

For delivery - yes.

For some other things, not so much, but they aren't 'horrible', I suppose?

And they are getting better, I think?

I'm all for giving them a chance here, but I think quite a bit of the restic in Deadzone was terrible.

Well, I'll grant you that the material is so...I don't know...fussy?...that it is entirely possible that experiences will vary greatly, even on the 'same' miniatures!

I think it is somewhat fair to say that Mantic's 'hard plastic' is really nice and 'safe', and that their PVC offerings can be...erratic?

Good point!

Shadows of Brimstone is causing a bit of a ruckus over this issue - even though they commented mid-campaign that some/many of the miniatures would require assembly.

I'm just glad that there will be a lot of 'hard plastic' over there too!

I laughed at both posts - so yes, I do think we can all get along!

Like that undead troll shaman!

But not even in death do knock-kneed and stubby legs end!

 heartserenade wrote:
I'm waiting for the paladin guy.

That was one of my favorites in the previews too...hopefully he turns out well!

It is live, and the EB saves you a whopping $5, so no rush, really.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/dungeon-saga-the-dwarf-kings-quest

And what it contains right now is...unimpressive.

Clearly it will grow, but it has to be chock full of 'fake stretch goals' at this point.

22 minis at the start?

Ha!

Exactly!

$50K to roll through the next two Fake Stretch Goals is pretty funny too...

So even though "Everyone does it!", we should all just be OK with it?

Sounds a lot like "Most Kickstarters are really late - suck it up!"

Mantic can 'break the mold' and maybe NOT do the whole Fake Stretch Goal thing - that would be nice to talk about.

And the fact that one of the Fake Stretch Goals is the freakin' Undead Dwarf King that the game is named after?

You don't think that's a bit obvious/ridiculous?

OK!

NTRabbit wrote:
Never change dakka, never change

Ha!

There is no "Dakka" hive mind.

However, when Mantic continues to release Kickstarters with laughably obvious and silly Fake Stretch Goals (like $150K for the Undead Dwarf King in the Dwarf King's Quest), well...

...I guess we can say:

Never change Mantic, never change.

RiTides wrote:
I'm not really bothered by this campaign doing it (many do) but it just means I won't be paying close attention until later when all of those are out of the way...

That's nice.

I'm not sure how 'bothered' anyone really is either though.

ecurtz wrote:If they're going to do fake stretch goals at least have the decency to leave them out of the pitch video. The enemies section has both the armored zombies and the zombie troll, neither of which is "included" in the base game.

Well, they could be saying that IF we get (x) we'll include (y) there, but yeah, I'm pretty sure they were planning on including them all along too.

I guess the main issue is that it is all a bit disingenuous and transparently 'fake'.

The point here is that if Mantic really needed $50K to fund production of this game, and with $50K the 'game' was going to be what was initially offered - well, who would buy that?

No one.

So roll on 'Fake Stretch Goals' and get us to where we were going to be anyway.

Yeah, it is all part of the Psychology of Kickstarters and How To Generate Excitement 101 - except when it isn't.

People are a lot more aware of KS now, and they are a lot smarter about them too.

We'll eventually get to where this is a 'good deal' - but just map it out ahead of time and dispense with the foolishness up front.

Good points!

I guess forum goers are perhaps on the 'highly motivated/informed' side of things and are probably a bit for aware and critical based on experience?

I think that Mantic needs more 'up front honesty' and less 'Platinum Paladin support', but in the end, I think we'll all end up where we were going anyway!

I guess I missed the "premium plastic = PVC" from Mantic earlier.

Is it disappointing that Mantic continues to stick to their confusing and somewhat bogus naming conventions!

I'm on the fence with this one.

It's going to take some convincing still!

 Daedleh wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I guess I missed the "premium plastic = PVC" from Mantic earlier.

Is it disappointing that Mantic continues to stick to their confusing and somewhat bogus naming conventions!

I'm on the fence with this one.

It's going to take some convincing still!

That's funny, because here you asked the same question and were told by several different people, and your reply here indicates that you know perfectly well what it is.

1) Clearly I forgot?

2) Stalker much?

The fact that I couldn't remember/was confused kind of helps make the point that they shouldn't use terms like that at all anymore.

Also, where's the OP, and why aren't they keeping the thread title updated?!?!?!?

Well I'd say that resin isn't for 'kids' if they're young - and from the sound of it, you might want to really keep your kids away from them too!

The Undead Trolls do look a lot better than their living counterparts!

Also, the 4 paid add-on heroes are "premium resin"?

 Hulksmash wrote:
Yeah, I got burned on some of the retail pricing for stuff on their Deadzone Kickstarter and their changing their minds on how they handled the plastic Forge Fathers. I know people got burned on the KoW KS. I think I'll sit this one out. No desperate need for me to get it. I can grab it retail should the mood strike.

This is starting to look like the 'smart play' here, if not also on most of Mantic's Kickstarters going forward.

Yeah, WELL past time to move past that particular debate/argument, please!

Now all we need is pretre and the circle will be complete!

I still think waiting for retail is a smart play with Mantic due to overall quality concerns.

I'd love for that to not be true someday, but I suspect that IF that day ever gets here, they won't be on Kickstarter offing great deals anymore!

questions/criticism =/= negativity and/or 'hate'

Mantic's got a spotty track record on various things, but then, I guess every company does!

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Oh man, I hope they have the kinds of stretch goal add-ons that require further stretch goals to fulfill them.

Isn't this part of the regular Mantic KS Playbook, and as such, practically a guarantee?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
That would be almost orgasmantic.

Er, thanks for the warning?

 tgmoore wrote:
Myles Hunt 2 days ago
Not sure if it's already been mentioned but is there any chance the cobblestone bases will be sold separately? For use with other miniatures you add in yourself

Creator Mantic Games 2 days ago
@ Myles - we're putting something together for this actually. A pack of resin Cobblestone base toppers that can be glued to blank plastic bases. A little modelling skill will be needed to remove the 15mm integrated circular disks from the Kings of War models, but should look great when you're done!

Ugh.

I wish they'd just do away with the 15mm aggravating integrated base.