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well its a beautiful model i will give it that but both this knight and the paladin kinda fill the same role and as there is no rules about the new FW model what could we possibly see to make this knight stand out over the paladin?

If you're talking about the Castigator, its rules are comming soon

And a bolt-cannon and a blast weapon do not fill the same rolls

the immediate advantage of the new knight over the Paladin, assuming no suprises in the rules, is that the new one might be the best anti-air platform IK players could expect to have

I guess that is correct it does serve as a anti air but that is also a downside with all FW knights so far they do not possess a secondary ranged weapon to shoot with because of this if they shoot air units like the lancer with its range attack it can not charge any other unit unlike the paladin that can shoot 1 target with his main cannon and another target with his two stubbers meening he can choose to attack one or the other target that already got fired at.

But it looks so sad, like it has killed every thing and now no one will play with him

Hmm a meme picture born out of ignorance, congrats

Knights are far from OP

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Hmm a meme picture born out of ignorance, congrats

Knights are far from OP

Knight's don't win that much unless you fight an army unprepared to deal with vehicles..

In which case they'd lose to land raiders or necrons or anything with decent AV13 anyways.

Forgeworld actually has models for 4 imperial knights now; lancer, castigator, Magaera, and Acheron. The models are just incredible and the rules seem like they will be reasonable if the lancer is an indicator.

I am starting to wonder if forgeworld is going to release their own codex: Imperial Knights or something...they have 4x the reason to do so that GW did.

I belive there new armoury book is going to have the rules for the new knigths also lancer and this one when i comes out.

Just seems kind of backwards that they would release a model before they have experimental rules for it.

Not even close to unusual.

Sicarian, et al.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Hmm a meme picture born out of ignorance, congrats

Knights are far from OP

Hmm, a sneering post born out of ignorance

That isn't a meme at all, the criteria for such is not "be a joke image with text"

Rumbleguts wrote:
Just seems kind of backwards that they would release a model before they have experimental rules for it.

Like making a new gun without planing what ammo to put in it right?

 Mr.Omega wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Hmm a meme picture born out of ignorance, congrats

Knights are far from OP

Hmm, a sneering post born out of ignorance

That isn't a meme at all, the criteria for such is not "be a joke image with text"

A meme[1] is "an idea, behavior, or style that spreads from person to person within a culture."

You mean the constant idea that IK's are constantly spread to be "OP" yet they are not? Don't throw stones from glass houses and all that.

Gents, please dial down the hostility. Rule Number One is Be Polite. We're here to chat about playing with toy soldiers, after all. Thanks.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Knight's don't win that much unless you fight an army unprepared to deal with vehicles.

In my experience knights still win (I'm 5-1 with my pure knight lists in RTTs), they just can't win as big. You're unlikely to either table your opponent or sweep all the secondary and tertiary objectives in the more common tournament formats simply due to your lack of units. Like any other army, it comes down player ability, and for me it's very much a more extreme version of my GK.

As far as the OP is concerned, many shots is better than a couple large blasts at dealing with MCs and definitely against flyers. Something to consider in a knight detachment (assuming the rules are similar to the lancer) would be to make the castigator a good choice for your warlord due to the bs 5

Hey, that knight titan is one beuterful model!

Even if its overpowering or not, it would look great on any table.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Mr.Omega wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Hmm a meme picture born out of ignorance, congrats

Knights are far from OP

Hmm, a sneering post born out of ignorance

That isn't a meme at all, the criteria for such is not "be a joke image with text"

A meme[1] is "an idea, behavior, or style that spreads from person to person within a culture."

You mean the constant idea that IK's are constantly spread to be "OP" yet they are not? Don't throw stones from glass houses and all that.

Please, stop, the irony is painfully funny.

He explicitly said "meme picture", and the obvious intended meaning was that it was akin to terrible meme images like Doge, Yo Dawg, Philosphersaurus, etc

an image, video, piece of text, etc., typically humorous in nature, that is copied and spread rapidly by Internet users, often with slight variations.

Second definition on google, given the second word its fairly obvious which meaning was intended, no?

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To be honest Knights are hard enough for most players to deal with anyway at the sort of area around 1500~ or lower, but if they can already deal with a standard pattern Knight then a Castigator won't be much harder. I doubt the Castigator will be much more killy than a Paladin, though it will probably be better at MC-wound-shaving.

I think that FW is running a model business correctly. It makes models and then releases rules for them when they are sure people can actually obtain their models. These knight models are so gorgeous I am going to have to get third job just to get a complete set.

Compare that to waywatchers which have not been available to purchase for almost 5 months now. Or the character models GW is now removing because they finally realize you cannot profit from selling models your do not make.

In terms of power level Imperial knights are actually just about right. It is the mission packets that ultimately determine this however. The problem is that they are a mini deathstar in a single model (all super heavies tend to be such due to price). Deathstars by their nature do extremely well against players that lack experience against them and show up unprepared as the player will not know the vital weakness that the name deathstar implies and will often times concentrate on it and leave the support elements alone (which is fatal).

The admantium lance which is often decried as broken actually is pretty balanced as 3+ knights in a sub 2000 pts list take up too many points and become incredibly inefficient. Without the free benefits of the formation 3+ knights would rarely be seen under 2000 pts assuming the person wants to win 6 games in a row. To prove my words just look at the NOVA records where the the top 10 had one Chaos + Knights as it's only knight containing list and Reecius who brought a addy lance says that he would have been better off just bringing 1 knight. It is a rock-paper-scissors list and there are a number of hard counters and startegies to counter it.

Can we stay on topic people this is not about how OP a knight is but rather how it scales vs a GW knight with the same role...

It scales against the Paladin by being about three inches taller. >>

Seriously, why are the Knights taller than Warhounds again?

Does this mean that we're going to get a new Warhound model at some point to bring the scales back into perspective?

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Hmm a meme picture born out of ignorance, congrats

Knights are far from OP

Knight's don't win that much unless you fight an army unprepared to deal with vehicles..

In which case they'd lose to land raiders or necrons or anything with decent AV13 anyways.

There's also the ignorance of the fact that they're not Titans. They're Knights.

Apparently they were referred to as Knight Titans in their new codex, so... sigh.

 ansacs wrote:
Forgeworld actually has models for 4 imperial knights now; lancer, castigator, Magaera, and Acheron. The models are just incredible and the rules seem like they will be reasonable if the lancer is an indicator.

Curse those meddling kids !!

They are coming out with Imperial knights faster than I can buy and assemble them.

Also, my dream of fielding one of each Imperial Knight type is becoming seriously expensive.

Most expensive 7 model army in 40k

 adamsouza wrote:

 ansacs wrote:
Forgeworld actually has models for 4 imperial knights now; lancer, castigator, Magaera, and Acheron. The models are just incredible and the rules seem like they will be reasonable if the lancer is an indicator.

Curse those meddling kids !!

They are coming out with Imperial knights faster than I can buy and assemble them.

Also, my dream of fielding one of each Imperial Knight type is becoming seriously expensive.

Most expensive 7 model army in 40k

Well, I guess hypothetically one could make a 7 model army made up of all mantas and it would be more expensive.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Apparently they were referred to as Knight Titans in their new codex, so... sigh.

Yep, not only that but is says, right on the back of the box itself, "Imperial Knight Titan"

EDIT: I'm painfully aware of the debate on this issue, I just wanted to make that point in support of Furyou's statement.

Yea, we know they're not Titans, GW forgot though and put it on the box

Not to be rude, but how do you know they forgot?

I honestly don't understand the point of the debate. It's a 10" tall humanoid shaped war machine in a world of 1.5" tall miniatures.

What is not titan sized about it ?

Look, I don't really care one way or the other whether it's regarded as a Knight, my original post was simply citing the evidence supporting Furyou's claim.

I honestly have more of any issue (not a real one since it's still plastic miniatures!) with the claim that GW *forgot*, since there is no way to substantiate that.