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Do Deathmarks wound gargants on a 2+ due to their special rule or since their weapon has the Sniper USR do they wound on 6's? I personally believe it is a 6 but if i am wrong let me know otherwise.

Codex trumps brb so 2+

Gargant creatures only effect the sniper and poisoned special rules. Deathmarks hunters from hyperspace rules are not sniper rules and change how deathmarks wound.

Oberron wrote:
Deathmarks hunters from hyperspace rules are not sniper rules and change how deathmarks wound.

Really?)



When they learn to shoot from something else, then we can discuss.

The "Hunters from Hyperspace" rule isn't part of their guns profile, its a models special rule.

So they have a weapon that wounds on a 6+ (sniper Vs. gargantuan creature) and a rule that allows their shots to wound on a 2+.

 Darog wrote:

Oberron wrote:
Deathmarks hunters from hyperspace rules are not sniper rules and change how deathmarks wound.

Really?)



When they learn to shoot from something else, then we can discuss.

Please find where "hunters from hyperspace" is written in that image.

The way I play is that the deathmarks have sniper weapons for all targeting. Except, that en units that are marked using hfh are wounded by deathmarks, or anyone else with them (Lord, overlord, cryptek) on a 2+. It's irrelevant which deathmark unit marked the enemy unit with hfh.

Hunters from Hyperspace essentially trumps their weapon's strength rating, making it "Always 2+ to wound lolgetrekt it's not poison"

Does it break the game when played in a huge scale game?

Yes.

Is that how the rules are written?

Totally.

Does this tell you anything about how tight a rule system 40k is?

If it doesn't, it should.

It doesn't "break" anything...

I can understand their thought patterns behind it:
One of the elements when calculating point costs of Gargantuan Creatures was this very Rule, which clearly is designed to make them more resistant to weapons specifically designed to get around high Toughness. Anything which by-passes that Rule means that the Gargantuan Creature in question is now greatly weakened, leaving people feeling as if they are over-paying for a Unit which will now perform less then optically in the field. I disagree with this, of course, because it is a one side evaluation that does not focus at all on the two or three Special Rules which do allow us to Wound on something more then a 6.

I am sure having a 'always wound on 2+' Rule has been included in the Deathmark cost as well, so why should our opponent be denied access to a Special Rule that they have paid for and legally can evoke?

So its a 2.. that is kinda bs

 Gray1378 wrote:
So its a 2.. that is kinda bs

Yeah kinda sucks but if it makes you feel better, fleshbane also wounds on 2+

HH is a special rule on the Deathmarks Entry in the Codex which allows them to mark a Gargantuan and Wound it on a 2+.

It's not a case of 'Codex beats Rulebook' it's more, 'this special rule that Deathmarks have allow me to do this.'

Please note that any Gargantuan that is not marked by Deathmarks will wound on a 6, as they do fire Sniper weapons.

RAW it's 2+

RAI it's 5+ on Gargantuan Creatures

It's really par for the course with codex:Necron though.

How do you get 5+?

Gravmyr wrote:
How do you get 5+?

Snipers go from 4+ to 6+, or a 66% damage reduction.

HfH go from 2+ to 5+, or a 60% damage reduction.

You can't really push them to 6+ and say that was the intent (80% damage reduction), and 4+ would be ridiculous as well (40% damage reduction).

That follows the intent of the GC special immunity to snipers and HfH boost to damage output.

These aren't addition / subtraction modifiers they are not applied as -1 or +1. They are set. You get one or the other not an amalgam of affect.

morgoth wrote:
RAW it's 2+

RAI it's 5+ on Gargantuan Creatures

It's really par for the course with codex:Necron though.

No, that isnt how RAI works. You dont get to make up something else utterly unrelated to the rule, otherwise you could argue the HtH shoudl drop a marine from BS4 to BS2, because Orks go from BS2 to BS1

RaW 2+

RaI 2+ it is pretty clearly written and the reason Deathmarks cost what they cost. I'm guessing when they get rewritten it will become fleshbane which guess what still wounds that GC on a 2+

Well again that sucks but oh well. Thats the game we play.

The gargant will still get their armor save unless a 6 is rolled from the sniper. so thats nice?

Oberron wrote:
The gargant will still get their armor save unless a 6 is rolled from the sniper. so thats nice?

Yes and FnP

yeah pending on what Gargant it is. Either way crappy deal but oh well I can live with it.

 Gray1378 wrote:
yeah pending on what Gargant it is. Either way crappy deal but oh well I can live with it.

If you think Deathmarks are strong against Gargantuan creatures, wait until you get a load of how sick grav guns are against them!

col_impact wrote:

 Gray1378 wrote:
yeah pending on what Gargant it is. Either way crappy deal but oh well I can live with it.

If you think Deathmarks are strong against Gargantuan creatures, wait until you get a load of how sick grav guns are against them!

Yup, basically the only good Gargantuans are the flying ones and the invisible ones.

Good point. It is a well known fact Transcendent C'tan are rubbish because they are not FGC...

 FlingitNow wrote:
Good point. It is a well known fact Transcendent C'tan are rubbish because they are not FGC...

That's a matter of opinion, it still doesn't hold a candle to a revenant on a skyshield though does it.

If you're trying to dispute why it wounds on a 2+ because they're still shooting with their sniper rifle, think of it from a non-gameplay point of view. Forge the Narrative, if you will.

The Deathmarks are so keen at shooting their target dead in their tracks, and are well versed in where to shoot their prey. And this one in particular, they're been watching from within their pocket dimension, waiting and analyzing until it's time to strike. And when they arrive, they know exactly where to place their shots to hurt their target the most.

#narrativeforged

wtnind wrote:

 FlingitNow wrote:
Good point. It is a well known fact Transcendent C'tan are rubbish because they are not FGC...

That's a matter of opinion, it still doesn't hold a candle to a revenant on a skyshield though does it.

It's cheaper and better than the Revenant as it is harder to deal with. The Revenant is tough true but it is only AV12 so everyone can deal with it without having to build to specifically. T9 makes the C'tan more difficult to deal with for standard armies. You don't get melta'd you don't lose extra wounds to Ap1 &2 shots due to a damage table. Yes you get boned by Grav more but are immune to haywire and gauss that can ruin the Revenant's day. Though the straight match up does favour the Revenant whoever goes first wins in the match up.

Also the C'tan can hide. A 4+ dodge / 4++ save is nowheere near as good as not needing to make a save at all.