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Borg missiles only give 1 aux token regardless of how many hits big difference from the previous ruling. I wonder how many people will be dumping them from their lists now. Nice to see the are fixing some of the broken cards.

Except Wizkids also explicitly stated in the FAQ that the ship received as many Aux tokens as there were uncancelled hits...

So, which one is more believable? The Official FAQ that WK put out in conjunction with the game designers? or a forum with a random WK employee trying to keep customers?

I'm siding with the FAQ on this one, Borg Missiles remain unchanged in my mind.

Given the number of rulings that came out today I would expect that FAQ to be updated very soon.

in terms of game balance, the forum is doing a better job, and is more current/accurate.

Nerfing some OP stuff, and re doing the movement cards that let you perform manuvers makes sense, and balances things out more.

being able to give multiple aux tokens, at range, without spending a TL, with no def, that also damages sheils, for 6 pts, is crazy good for crazy cheap, on a faction that is already OP.

good on WK's

 easysauce wrote:
in terms of game balance, the forum is doing a better job, and is more current/accurate.

Nerfing some OP stuff, and re doing the movement cards that let you perform manuvers makes sense, and balances things out more.

being able to give multiple aux tokens, at range, without spending a TL, with no def, that also damages sheils, for 6 pts, is crazy good for crazy cheap, on a faction that is already OP.

good on WK's

The card needs to be disabled, on a faction with the WORST action economy, that hurts...

Also, 6 points for only 4 attacks was quite cost appropriate...

Your argument is invalid, this has nothing to do with the card's intended functionality, they're just pandering to the most butthurt denominator...

Wizkids is, in essence, giving the crying babies their pacifiers... If you're losing the game because of Aux Tokens, you're not playing the game right and need to learn to play better...

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
in terms of game balance, the forum is doing a better job, and is more current/accurate.

Nerfing some OP stuff, and re doing the movement cards that let you perform manuvers makes sense, and balances things out more.

being able to give multiple aux tokens, at range, without spending a TL, with no def, that also damages sheils, for 6 pts, is crazy good for crazy cheap, on a faction that is already OP.

good on WK's

The card needs to be disabled, on a faction with the WORST action economy, that hurts...

Also, 6 points for only 4 attacks was quite cost appropriate...

Your argument is invalid, this has nothing to do with the card's intended functionality, they're just pandering to the most butthurt denominator...

Wizkids is, in essence, giving the crying babies their pacifiers... If you're losing the game because of Aux Tokens, you're not playing the game right and need to learn to play better...

Considering that just a few weeks ago you wanted the borg banned because they were OP, and you wanted to "abuse their brokenness" to justify the ban, I think your argument is invalid. An attack that does not require a TL, can't be evaded, destroys shields, and can give multiple aux tokens is OP and needed to be FAQed.

-PlaguelordHobbyServices
August 12th old general discussion thread

"Ok, seriously, am I the only one who wants the Borg banned because of their cheesy movement dials? When the cube can sit there and outrun 90% of the ships in the game and take ships out with one combat step... I feel they're really broken... "


Also everyone is entitled to their opinion, but cut out the language or the MODs will be notified

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
in terms of game balance, the forum is doing a better job, and is more current/accurate.

Nerfing some OP stuff, and re doing the movement cards that let you perform manuvers makes sense, and balances things out more.

being able to give multiple aux tokens, at range, without spending a TL, with no def, that also damages sheils, for 6 pts, is crazy good for crazy cheap, on a faction that is already OP.

good on WK's

The card needs to be disabled, on a faction with the WORST action economy, that hurts...

Also, 6 points for only 4 attacks was quite cost appropriate...

Your argument is invalid, this has nothing to do with the card's intended functionality, they're just pandering to the most butthurt denominator...

Wizkids is, in essence, giving the crying babies their pacifiers... If you're losing the game because of Aux Tokens, you're not playing the game right and need to learn to play better...

Considering that just a few weeks ago you wanted the borg banned because they were OP, and you wanted to "abuse their brokenness" to justify the ban, I think your argument is invalid. An attack that does not require a TL, can't be evaded, destroys shields, and can give multiple aux tokens is OP and needed to be FAQed.

Also everyone is entitled to their opinion, but cut out the language or the MODs will be notified

Language?

Where in my post did I use a swear word?

Terms and phases can be just as bad as 4 letter words.

Stacking AUX tokens on a ship locked down Attack Cancellation builds, and it locked down Triple Action builds. Now it's worthless. I'm not going to waste my attack, and a subsequent action to enable the weapon for something that you can cancel by dialing a green move that you will likely have already selected anyway.

Borg Missiles had a purpose, now it's gone... All hail Weyoun/Varel/CS/Koss/Li'Nalas.

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:


Wizkids is, in essence, giving the crying babies their pacifiers... If you're losing the game because of Aux Tokens, you're not playing the game right and need to learn to play better...

I won our last OP here using a Borg fleet with missiles and I stated straight afterwards to my fellow players that the missiles were indeed OP and cheesy as hell. So, given that I benefited but found them broken I think you can't claim I'm a crybaby....


And Romulans have the worst action economy, Borg at least have a free action captain and a drone who gives action-less target locks.

Free-action captain? I don't know what you're talking about, I have all the current Borg Captains, not one of them is free-action.

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Stacking AUX tokens on a ship locked down Attack Cancellation builds, and it locked down Triple Action builds. Now it's worthless. I'm not going to waste my attack, and a subsequent action to enable the weapon for something that you can cancel by dialing a green move that you will likely have already selected anyway.

Borg Missiles had a purpose, now it's gone... All hail Weyoun/Varel/CS/Koss/Li'Nalas.

There are better ways to limit Weyoun/Varel. The new OP rules make it very difficult especially when you have to have 3 ships. Faction pure eliminates almost all of the problems in the game.


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 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Free-action captain? I don't know what you're talking about, I have all the current Borg Captains, not one of them is free-action.

Try reading the captain cards. The skill 8 Queen that came with the Tac cube can spend a drone token to use an action bar action as a free action. That is a captain that grants free actions.

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Stacking AUX tokens on a ship locked down Attack Cancellation builds, and it locked down Triple Action builds. Now it's worthless. I'm not going to waste my attack, and a subsequent action to enable the weapon for something that you can cancel by dialing a green move that you will likely have already selected anyway.

Borg Missiles had a purpose, now it's gone... All hail Weyoun/Varel/CS/Koss/Li'Nalas.

There are better ways to limit Weyoun/Varel. The new OP rules make it very difficult especially when you have to have 3 ships. Faction pure eliminates almost all of the problems in the game.


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 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Free-action captain? I don't know what you're talking about, I have all the current Borg Captains, not one of them is free-action.

Try reading the captain cards. The skill 8 Queen that came with the Tac cube can spend a drone token to use an action bar action as a free action. That is a captain that grants free actions.

At the cost of using a drone token, so it's really not "free" you're just spending a drone token (which, you only have 8 and your CS depends on them) to get an "extra" action... It's not like she's picard and can do it infinitely, she only has a finite number of times she can do it.

Magnus hanson makes it free for a round and 7 of 9 also mitigates it a lot.

There are numerous ways to get drones back. and with Borg hit points and movement I've never really ever needed to move last or fire first anyway

Look away PlagueLord, you'll hate this ruling

http://www.wizkidseventsystem.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1931

 emperorpenguin wrote:
There are numerous ways to get drones back. and with Borg hit points and movement I've never really ever needed to move last or fire first anyway

Look away PlagueLord, you'll hate this ruling

http://www.wizkidseventsystem.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1931

I already knew that 360 meant no forward.

Really? I knew about this when the Sphere dropped into retail... people are STILL having a hard time figuring that one out?

You didn't know because this is a reversal of the previous ruling. Check out the FAQ, it currently states that Valdore does not work against Borg ships as they have no forward arcs

 emperorpenguin wrote:
You didn't know because this is a reversal of the previous ruling. Check out the FAQ, it currently states that Valdore does not work against Borg ships as they have no forward arcs

Ok? Good for Valdore... Not everything the Forum has been doing has been bad, but seriously, they need to re-evaluate their recent reversals on Borg Missiles and Volley of Torpedoes...

No they don't - I felt dirty using Borg Missiles and inflicting 4 auxiliaries on a Jem'Hadar battlecruiser

Volley of torpedoes makes sense because you can see how people were trying to chain a string of those together, kind of like Tactical Stations

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Free-action captain? I don't know what you're talking about, I have all the current Borg Captains, not one of them is free-action.

man, you need to back off and be more polite if you are going to spew inaccurate clap trap like this...

borg queen gives a free action, tactical drone gives a free "better then target lock" action for re rolls, those are both free aciton type captains, one isnt even unique, and is super cheap for what it does (allows free target lock actions, on cloaked ships, after the fact too...)

losing drone tokens in generally inconsequential, and a very small price to pay, and has nothing to do with action economy, its still a free action if you spend one.


putting multiple aux tokens on ships, and damaging them, and avoiding def dice is really good, 3 aux tokens and that ship has no actions or red manuvers and is dead most likely.

I used borg missiles, and they won me games quite easily, feth anyone who wanted to perform actions or do red manuvers, feth them all! it was undercosted or OP, they had to increase the cost or reduce the power.

 easysauce wrote:

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Free-action captain? I don't know what you're talking about, I have all the current Borg Captains, not one of them is free-action.

man, you need to back off and be more polite if you are going to spew inaccurate clap trap like this...

borg queen gives a free action, tactical drone gives a free "better then target lock" action for re rolls, those are both free aciton type captains, one isnt even unique, and is super cheap for what it does (allows free target lock actions, on cloaked ships, after the fact too...)

Oh yeah, you mention the Tactical Drone, but let's see, what CS is that drone? 3... CS 3... 3 drone tokens... and it SPENDS those tokens to get a reroll...

After the first reroll, it's CS2, then 1, then 0...

It'll likely always strike last, and chances are it'll get obliterated by the opponent's fleet before getting to be able to be used...

It's not free if it costs something. And you talk about me spewing inaccurate clap trap?

EDIT: And what do you suppose they'll do about the Kazon Aux-thrower list? absolutely nothing...

so borg should have good action economy, best movement, best shooting arcs in game, AND go first all the time?

action economy they have in spades, spending tokens doesnt affect action economy, its just a trade off, plenty of cards give them back drone tokens as well.

kazon can put ONE token on you, at range one, you moan and groan about that, but not 3+ aux tokens at a greater range?

 easysauce wrote:
so borg should have good action economy, best movement, best shooting arcs in game, AND go first all the time?

action economy they have in spades, spending tokens doesnt affect action economy, its just a trade off, plenty of cards give them back drone tokens as well.

kazon can put ONE token on you, at range one, you moan and groan about that, but not 3+ aux tokens at a greater range?

You know what? I didn't burn 115$ on useless ships, I was bait and switched, I bought them with the intention of using them, and in October, they said Missiles were fine, now that I have the missile cards, they're useless... Right now, they should only cost 2 points...

Nerf after nerf... I want my damn money back.. or the equivalent in another faction...

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

Oh yeah, you mention the Tactical Drone, but let's see, what CS is that drone? 3... CS 3... 3 drone tokens... and it SPENDS those tokens to get a reroll...

After the first reroll, it's CS2, then 1, then 0... ...

It is captain skill FOUR. You do an awful lot of moaning about stuff you actually don't seem to understand at all

Ok so I had another post deleted? I mean really. I'm done posting here lol, not my intention to be rude, but eh

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
so borg should have good action economy, best movement, best shooting arcs in game, AND go first all the time?

action economy they have in spades, spending tokens doesnt affect action economy, its just a trade off, plenty of cards give them back drone tokens as well.

kazon can put ONE token on you, at range one, you moan and groan about that, but not 3+ aux tokens at a greater range?

You know what? I didn't burn 115$ on useless ships, I was bait and switched, I bought them with the intention of using them, and in October, they said Missiles were fine, now that I have the missile cards, they're useless... Right now, they should only cost 2 points...

Nerf after nerf... I want my damn money back.. or the equivalent in another faction...

everyone else paid for their ships too, does every other race other then borg get a refund because borg invalidated every other race as a competitive build too?

dont complain about OP borg, then state they are so OP you will start them to show how broken they are, then moan about it when borg are brought in line with every other race in the game... they are still TOP tier competitive, going from way WAY ahead of everyone else, to just a bit ahead of everyone else, isnt a nerf, its BALANCE!






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Vakruz wrote:
Ok so I had another post deleted? I mean really. I'm done posting here lol, not my intention to be rude, but eh

you post singled out a specific person by name, then sarcastically insulted them, if you dont want posts deleted, follow rule #1 of dakka. whatever your intention, you cannot single out posters and call them names, if you think baldrik is wrong, you are totall allowed to say that, argue, ect... but sarcastically calling him out as a forum dictator or whatever, isnt following dakkas posting rules.

Well I apologize if I offended anyone, but I'll just go back to lurking :p just want everyone to be a little more open minded

Vakruz wrote:
Well I apologize if I offended anyone, but I'll just go back to lurking :p just want everyone to be a little more open minded

psst... you don't win hearts and minds by calling them names...

No need to lurk, just phrase in a positive way and try to talk to people here as you'd expect to be spoken to by them, over a pint or something.

^ Well said.

MGS as the voice of sanity and reason, who woulda thunk it?

Disagreement is fine, but indeed, Rule #1. I'm pleased that, regardless, they are engaging with the community. It may take a while to iron out the kinks, but such is life.

I am thinking things will be ironed out smooth by the weekend. Just in time for us all to play our OPs like noobs